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Sad King Billy posted:I did have the problem that my shipping lines were building too many colony ships and my Mars colony was overcrowding. hopefully setting Earth's population to stable and putting out contracts for mines and facilities will boost freighter production? You can also obsolete your colony ships if you have enpugh. Then they can't build any more. I gave it 720 days while I went out. I come back and my yards have all spammed the light freighter design. Not QUITE what I intended XD Another problem I'm starting to have on Mars now I'm re-engineering my peoples - they're running out of workers on the Human side. Is there any way to combine the populations for worker harmonisation? Or relocate facilities to the other colony? Specifically finance centres and Civilian starports since the other stuff I can move through Civ/Ind contracts. Hahaha. I just realised my medium freighter didn't have any fuel tanks. So it was either my <10k tonner, or my 200k tonner! WHOOPS Veloxyll fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Apr 24, 2012 |
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Veloxyll posted:You can also obsolete your colony ships if you have enpugh. Then they can't build any more. I gave it 720 days while I went out. I come back and my yards have all spammed the light freighter design. Not QUITE what I intended XD Check Space Master Mode.
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Veloxyll posted:You can also obsolete your colony ships if you have enpugh. Then they can't build any more. I gave it 720 days while I went out. I come back and my yards have all spammed the light freighter design. Not QUITE what I intended XD Populations from different species can not be combined. If you'v used genetic engineering on your own species, the genetically modified species counts as a completely foreign species as far as the game is concerned.
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Task Groups, Part II: Escort, Default, and Conditional Orders & History, Officers, and Miscellaneous The second tab of the Task Groups screen allows setting default and conditional orders, as well as setting TGs to escort or protect other TGs.  Protect Threat Axis allows you to set the current TG to escort another TG. Note that all this does is set it to follow (or precede) some other TG while it moves (i.e., it doesn't set it to automatically intercept missiles or attack hostiles). The threat axis is a line between the designated threat and the designated protected TG. This functionality can be useful for deploying point-defense ships in advance of vulnerable ships, or to place scouting elements far ahead or to the side of the main group. Threat is the designated far endpoint of the threat axis. It can be set to the destination that the protected TG is heading toward, or to any passive or active contact. Task Group is the near endpoint of the threat axis. It is the TG that the selected TG will be protecting. It can be set to any TG in the same system as the Distance is the distance the selected TG will establish itself from the protected TG. It can be set to various values between 10,000 km and 100 million km. Offset Bearing is how far to the right or left of the threat axis the selected TG will establish itself. If you imagine a circle centered on the protected TG with a radius equal to the Distance setting, the Offset Bearing sets the position of the selected TG around that circle. It can be set to any value between 0 and 180 degrees clockwise and 0 to 175 degrees anti-clockwise (counter-clockwise for Americans like me). 180 degrees clockwise is directly behind the protected TG along the threat axis. If the selected TG has its escort orders set up and is set to have the protected TG as its superior formation, the Save Escorts button saves this information to the DB. The escorting TG can then be recalled and deployed at will.  Default Orders (if no other orders are set) allows you to specify what this TG should do if it has no other orders. The Primary order will be attempted first. If it is impossible, the Secondary will be attempted. If neither is possible and the TG has no orders, an event will be raised. Note that these orders lists are not filtered by the capabilities of the TG. Possible Default Orders
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ArchangeI posted:Check Space Master Mode. The game presented another solution. ie when the population of humans dropped below 25m, it became a destination world again with predictable results. For bonus points, since I can order resources shipped to engineered populations independantly, I sent a second load of terraformers and could shift two gasses at once!
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The candidacy period for the policy maker position is over. Since no one ran against him, DagPenge is the newest member of the UNEC. His in-game commander will be renamed using the auto-rename function and moved to below the last goon commander, since policy makers can't also have in-game characters. The next goon will inherit this commander. From: UN Department of Transportation To: Councillor DagPenge, Head of UN DoT Re: Commercial Ship Designs Sir, first allow us to congratulate you on ascending to this post. It will be a pleasure to work with you. Please review the following three submitted ship designs. Keep in mind that the shipyard available to us, the International Space Station, has a maximum capacity of 10,000 tonnes. It is currently tooled to produce the obsolete York-class freighters. In addition to each ship design, we'll include the retooling cost and estimated retooling completion date. code:code:code:
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May i be officially added as a Naval Intel Commander? any way i can get a spot on our upcoming espionage team? Also any new updates in space today? As for these ships, they seem to be suited for colonizing goals. Our latest strategic directive is to focus on troop transport capabilities. I know we lack the tech but are we even researching transport bays? has the high command layed out a roadmap for achieving our strategic goal of military engineers followed by support units, asap? I'm just a lowly intel officer, but i want to help the council acheive our goals just like every good member of the UNSPACY.
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Raw_Beef posted:May i be officially added as a Naval Intel Commander? any way i can get a spot on our upcoming espionage team? You have been added as this guy. In-game goons are assigned the first available person of their preferred type. If your in-game character spontaneously develops an espionage bonus, you'll be eligible for an espionage team. I'll try to put out an update later today, but I don't want to keep advancing time without firm plans for the shipyards, so you aren't wasting available resources. Triskelli dropping out slowed things down a little, but hopefully DagPenge can get us going again. My last time advancement update contains a research overview at the end (as do all the updates). Troop transport bays are being researched. The UNEC has posted regular updates about their future plans throughout the thread.
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I have a question that may kind of spoilery, but are alien races randomly generated, or they selected from a list? Also, do I have to wait for you to ask for input from me to give a command?
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Thanks for the reply bgerman. I have read every post in the thread, i just cant rember them by the next evening;s forums time. i wanted to have some kind of advisory role in understanding our soviet* friend's intentions and what they might be up to. Something that allows some more role play participation like Commander Spermcube has done with his exellent ground unit future wargaming and design program. Right now gentelmen, we are losing the space race, and anyone not scared by this fact needs to show me why they arent. Also i read almost the entire AAR of Space NATO vs Space Soviet union by Steve on the aurora forums, i have a good theoretical grasp of what kind of weapons systems work and how to employthem. i dont think the game itself can run on my puny netbook, or id be giving scenario engagements a try if thats at all possible.
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Farecoal posted:I have a question that may kind of spoilery, but are alien races randomly generated, or they selected from a list? Also, do I have to wait for you to ask for input from me to give a command? They are randomly generated, but their overall AI strategy is picked from a list, and their ship designs are semi-pre-generated (they are templates that the empire updates based on its tech). You don't have to wait to give a command. I incorporate all commands and orders into the next time increment, so you can give as many contradictory commands as you want. I'll always use the last one, or ask for clarification if I need it. Raw_Beef posted:Thanks for the reply bgerman. I have read every post in the thread, i just cant rember them by the next evening;s forums time. All players are free (indeed, encouraged!) to submit their views, inputs, and ideas to the thread at large. If nothing else, it presents multiple strategies to the actual policy makers. Frankly, I find the various ideas you guys are throwing about fascinating, because it allows me to approach the game in a new way. Part of what's great about this game is that there are multiple viable ways to play, especially if you've got a human opponent so you can't game the rudimentary AI. As for "scenario engagements," you can do that with SpaceMaster mode, though it is time consuming, since you have to Instant all the research, design the components, design the ships, and then add them to the empires, and play both of them yourself. bgreman fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Apr 25, 2012 |
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Id like to note that in the offical AAR, the NATO strategy was to essentially abandon earth (leave the earth to satan and his slaves, into the void, anyone?) White this makes good strategic sense, i think Steve was making it impossibly easy. He hand waived the concept of earth first types losing out to new frontier political forces, and old NATO litterally shipped the last western nations off the face of the earth. id like to think our government is loyal to Terra. We of course want to spread our eggs about, but even with several long term strategies to deal with our competitors, the concept of leaving Earth for the commies just doesnt sit right. Id sugest a Detente and arms balance for the indefinate future. To ensure peace is to prepare for war though. Im hoping once hostile alien life is encountered we can establish some kind of co-dominium for the good of mankind, as we are weakened when facing single government races. Some of which are terrifying.
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FROM: Ynkling, Dept. of R&D TO: UNEC, Admin. Farecoal A Few Things First of all, I'm sure I speak for the rest of the Council when I say welcome to the Club, Mr. DagPenge. I'm sure you have a lot of questions, and I'll answer the most important ones right now: 1. We do not, in fact, keep alien hookers on retainer. 2. If you'll look under your seat you'll note that it rests on a very large compressed spring assembly. Do NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES touch the red button on the arm-rest. I suggest you sit very still and refrain from sudden movements. It's what I do and I'm not a splatter mark on the ceiling yet. 3. No I don't know why our chairs are spring-loaded, stop asking. 4. Shut up about the chairs! Mr. DagPenge, I suggest we reconfigure our ISS shipyard for, and then order the completion of, York II freighters to extend our reach beyond the occasional Mars-Earth trip, and then release the blueprints for the Galicia and CT-30 to the civilian sector. I furthermore urge Industrial Command (or Mr. Farecoal) that we amendment our TNE conventional industrial conversion plan slightly.
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Raw_Beef posted:Thanks for the reply bgerman. I have read every post in the thread, i just cant rember them by the next evening;s forums time. You might be surprised. Though with something like 300 freighters kicking around, the turns take a while to happen even on my proper computer. We're a while off large scale spacenaval combat. And neither side can successfully invade the other at this point, so it's mostly planning at this point. Whether that's planning to establish a 100km high planetary blockade or what, I dunno remember if that's the plan, we need Anti-missile weapons to negate the most logical counter-tactic. Of course we can put such a blockade higher to make it safe from laser/meson fire and force them to engage us with their own fleet. And their ICBM silos can't target our fleet at this point anyhow, since they were designed to hit planetary targets
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Ynkling posted:FROM: Ynkling, Dept. of R&D FROM: UNCA, Admin. Farecoal TO: RE: A Few Things Do 50 instead of 25 and you have deal, Mr. Suit Guy. You hear that, God/Bgreman?  Note to self: Set up Department of R&B Farecoal fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Apr 25, 2012 |
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Farecoal posted:FROM: UNCA, Admin. Farecoal From: U.N Industrial Command Agreed, while we might be over producing for ourselves right now, it can' hurt to prop for future fleet use.
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Raw_Beef posted:As for these ships, they seem to be suited for colonizing goals. Our latest strategic directive is to focus on troop transport capabilities. I know we lack the tech but are we even researching transport bays? has the high command layed out a roadmap for achieving our strategic goal of military engineers followed by support units, asap? FROM: The Tank of SPERMCUBE.ORG CO of the 66th LTA "Battlefield Zamboni Division" TO: Commander Raw_Beef It appears the rough idea is to hammer out some designs for troop bays (a big metal box come on guys it's not that hard) first and then to work out the specifics of engineer brigades (I assume this means their uniforms and epaulettes and stuff 'cause TNEs didn't change shovels and HOOAH! Bars much) while the transport ship itself is under construction. Theoretically doing it in this order saves us a few months. In practice it will not save us any time because nobody seems too eager to realize that a troop transport that can carry an engineer brigade is monster truck huge. So in the end we'll be sitting around with our thumbs up our asses waiting for the ISS shipyard to finish expansion while the commies get to sit around with their thumbs up their asses waiting for their engineers to dig up a weird alien mummy or something. If at all possible I would like to keep the reds from sticking their thumbs up our asses too. That's why I need your help convincing our policy makers to order the immediate expansion of the ISS and, God willing, we'll be the ones sticking our thumbs up other people's asses.
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SPERMCUBE.ORG posted:
Can a shipyard be expanded while one of its slipways is being occupied? I looked at the three classes that we can retool the ISS for and thought that the York II would be the most useful, especially if we can make one while preparing for the troop transport.
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SPERMCUBE.ORG posted:Expansion and retooling and adding slipways are all actions that a shipyard kind of performs to itself. Shipbuilding is distinct from that so you can be building a ship while the yard is expanding or retooling for another class. But I don't think you can expand and retool at the same time. Yup - the shipyard activity (Expanding, retooling) is independent of the Slipway activity (building/scrapping/refitting vessels). So once the ISS is retooled for York IIs, we can immediately order it to expand capacity. In later game news - is there any way to move prefab PDCs around? In my current game I figured I'd make some terraforming PDCs to drop on Venus and leave for 100 years till they're done but I can't figure out how to move the pre-fab components from the stockpile on Earth over to Venus. Neither my freighters nor troopships have the capability. Do I need to do something ridiculous like assemble them on Earth, then use a Tug to pull them to Venus?
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You need industry to assemble PDC's anyway so its only worth shipping them to established colonies. Just build terraforming installations and send them to Venus with enough infrastructure to support the required population. Alternatively a 60K Ton freighter can fit two Terraforming modules and I find it's way less hassle to just build terraforming ships and park them in orbit. You should be able to load PDC components anyway from the task force orders screen so I dunno why its not working for you.
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Saros posted:You need industry to assemble PDC's anyway so its only worth shipping them to established colonies. Just build terraforming installations and send them to Venus with enough infrastructure to support the required population. Alternatively a 60K Ton freighter can fit two Terraforming modules and I find it's way less hassle to just build terraforming ships and park them in orbit. Or I could send engineering teams to assemble them from the components, then ship them off again. Also the infrastructure to support the pop is a LOT. In a previous game I had 30 million people on Venus and they still couldn't man the terraformers. Given how long Venus takes to terraform (it's 100 atmospheres to burn off) a small permenant base would've been easier. Oh well, back to spamming Terraformer ships! Maybe it's cargo space or something. I dunno. Got a few superfreighters coming out to do my lifting work. 250k T ships that go 2000 km/s. Veloxyll fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Apr 25, 2012 |
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From: Councillor DagPenge, Head of UN DoT To: Everybody First off let me tell you how happy I am to be Councillor, I will do my very best to make sure that we'll out haul and out produce those commies by using our civilian sector, since that is what we are best at! I am however a bid disapointed that we didn't have an election for this post, I am happy to get it, but I think we should be more aware of our democratic roots, there must be others out there who wanted this post. Anyway here is to a good 2027 From: Councillor DagPenge, Head of UN DoT To: UNEC CC: Everybody I am sorry for being a bid confused right now, but I hope you can help me, you see I am somewhat unsure what the goals of the UN are right now and how my department can help. I think we are supposted to get some troops to Mars, which requires a troop transport bay to be researched, this bay is scheduled to be ready the 10th febuary next year. Do we need anything else to start shipping troops to Mars? How big will the proposed troop transport be? Do we need to expand the ISS? Since the ISS is just sitting idle right now, it could be nice if we could retool the ISS, build a York II and still be ready in time to build the troop transport. So how long does the retooling take and whats the build time of a York II? My initial plan, if it's possible, is to build a York II, expand the ISS if we need that to build the troop transport and start retooling for the troop transport as soon as possible. Basicly lets keep our shipyards as busy as we can, we are not commies and therefore cannot afford to sit around on our asses. What about the civilians, is there any reason not to obsolete the York and make the other civilian designs availiable to them?
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From: CMDR Veloxyll To: Councillor DagPenge Re: Shipyard capacity A quick check suggests we'll need about 16000 or 17000 tonnes of capacity to make a troop transport to carry our engineers. Recommend setting the ISS to continual expansion once it's retooled for York IIs. Other designs look okay, I see no reason for us not to release them to the civil sector. Also recommend we set up some small infrastructure contracts for shipping to Luna and Mars.
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I did edit this post, because it seemed silly to double post, be aware of this if you read it just after I posted From: Councillor DagPenge, Head of UN DoT To: UNEC CC: Everybody Okay so we need to expand ISS to build the troop transport, now thats settled we need to figure if we really want to build a York II as the next ship. As far as I am aware we have the following assets out in space right now: 1 pre-TN engine York (goverment owned) 1 pre-TN engine York (private owned)?? Some infrastructure on the moon Some people on Mars digging in ruins?? or are they just on their way? The private owned York should be shipping what limited infrastructure we have to the moon or atleast I am under the impression that we have already made that contract. So the question is, do we need another faster York? do we have the production to keep it shipping infrastructure and other stuff around? Otherwise it might be better to build a colony ship and get some people on the moon. I know it's not our main objective, but we'll get a propaganda victory over the commies and we can still use the ship to ferry people to Mars once thats operational. Once the troop transport is build, we can then retool ISS to the York II or maybe even refit the York we have to the newer model, if that is possible. The goal is to use the time we have most effective and I have the feeling that our current slow Yorks can easy move the limited infrastructure we have around, even though it's slow. Also lets only approve the York II for civilian use and hope they use the money they get from shipping stuff to the moon to build one, that way we can effetively build 2 ships at once, even though we cannot directly control the civilian ones. then once the first is build or we get ready to build once, we can then make the other designs availiable. What do you say, should we build a colony ship first instead? Also I'll start appending the current and new orders to the buttom of my emails, that way it should be easy to figure what my department is doing. Unless of course you have a better idea. Does this make sense or am I missing something? NOTICE THIS TIME IT'S JUST SUGGESTED ORDERS, DO NOT CARRY THESE OUT! 1. Make sure there is a contract to ship infrastructure to the moon 2. Retool the ISS to build the CT-30 colony ship and then get the ISS to expand it's slipway 3. Build a CT-30 class colony ship and move people to the moon 4. Get designs for the troop transport once the tech is ready and then retool the ISS when possible 5. Approve the new civilian York II design and make sure the old York isn't build anymore 6. Upgrade the old York to a York II if possible once the troop transport is done DagPenge fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Apr 25, 2012 |
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Eventually civilians should build colony ships as well as freighters, so afaik it's not mandatory to build a colony ship of our own. Not to say we can't, it can be handy for getting people to specific colonies, just that we don't HAVE to. And given, if we plan to move an engineering division to Mars, we are going to need more shipyard capacity, more trade vessels may not be in our best interests, since the plan is to rely on the commercial sector for those primarily as I understand And if the shipyard can build York IIs, then we can refit our York to a York II. How shipyards work is they get tooled for a class, and can build that vessel, plus can potentially build similar designs without retooling. Whether the York and York II are similar enough for a refit to be possible, I cannot say.
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Farecoal posted:FROM: UNCA, Admin. Farecoal Done. Orders have been adjusted so that a total of 50 refineries will be produced. The extra 200 conventional industry to convert has been added to the mine production order. Veloxyll posted:Eventually civilians should build colony ships as well as freighters, so afaik it's not mandatory to build a colony ship of our own. Any ship class can always be refitted to another ship class, given enough resources. If you are asking whether a yard tooled for a York-class can also build the York II-class, the answer is no. To turn the USMS York into a York II, the ISS would need to be able to construct the York II-class. Incidentally, I just went through the classes, and the York II is listed as an additional eligible class if a yard is tooled for the Galicia-class passenger liner. This means that if you decide to tool for the Galicia, you can build York IIs at the same yard without retooling. This means that a yard tooled for the Galicia could be used to refit the USMS York into a York II.Of course, this is all presuming the classes are accepted as designed. DagPenge, are you signing off on these designs (so I can lock them and open them up to the civilians)? Are you sticking with York II and CT-30 as the designations for these classes? DagPenge posted:As far as I am aware we have the following assets out in space right now: I will set the USMS York to head back to earth and resume transporting infrastructure between Earth and Tranquility. The contract is already set and the McKiernan York-class freighter is heading back to the Earth system to begin hauling. The old York class has already been set to obsolete, so the civs shouldn't build any more of them. Base build times are:
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Before I submit my orders I would like to know the retooling time of the York II and CT-30 colony ship if possible. If you do not see this request I'll still submit my orders within a few hours, so we can get on with it.
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DagPenge posted:Before I submit my orders I would like to know the retooling time of the York II and CT-30 colony ship if possible. This post has the ETAs for retooling for each of the classes inside the class description. Today's date in-game is 20th August 2026.
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From: Councillor DagPenge, Head of UN DoT To: UNEC CC: Everybody Okay I've been doing some math on this and if it's somewhat correct we should be able to calculate the most optimum approch. First off shipyard expansion, as far as I can see on the page containing shipyard details, it takes about 4 months to add 500 tons capacity, atleast it says so on the picture. Since the worst case for us is that we need a 17000 ton slipway, thats 14*4 months or 5,8 years, that is the earliest time we can build a troop transport and thats if we do not retool the shipyard first! If we retool to a York II, then we can add about 6 months to that, however we will be able to build 10 York IIs if we build them none stop. Is this correct? does it really take that long to expand a shipyard? Anyway to keep this going I can atleast give initial orders. DoT standing orders: 1. Make sure there is a contract to ship infrastructure to the moon - done 2. Retool the ISS to build the York II and then get the ISS to expand it's slipway 4. Get designs for the troop transport once the tech is ready and then retool the ISS when possible 5. Approve the new civilian colony ship design (CT-30) and rename the class to Acendency 6. Make sure the old York isn't build anymore - done This should be enough to keep us going atleast for 6 months, which will give me time to do more math. Also can you expand a slipway and build another at the same time?
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DagPenge posted:
I think your calculations are a little off. For a naval yard: Naval Shipyard mod rate = shipbuilding rate x (1 + 0.5x(Shipyard capacity / 5000 tonnes - 1)). Hence, our naval yard has a rate of: 400 x (1 + 0.5x(2882 / 5000 - 1)) = 315. For a commercial yard, the calculation is the same except the rate is based on one tenth of their capacity. Commercial Shipyard mod rate = shipbuilding rate x (1 + 0.5x((shipyard capacity / 10) / 5000 - 1)). For the ISS: 400 x (1 + 0.5x(1000 / 5000 - 1)) = 240. However, the BP costs to modify a commercial shipyard are only one tenth those listed for a naval shipyard. Each 500 tonnes of increased capacity costs a commercial shipyard only 12 BP. That means, at the current rate, each 500 tonnes of additional capacity takes (12 BP) / (240 BP / 360 days) = 18 days. Expanding to 17000 tonnes would take 252 days (except it will actually be shorter than that, since the modification rate will go up as the shipyard's capacity increases). Looking at these equations, it is clear that there are two techs to increase our shipyard expansion efficiency: Shipyard Operations: 5% Time/Cost Saving and Shipbuild Rate. You cannot expand and build a slipway simultaneously. A key thing I think you guys have learned here is: Never leave your shipyards idle. They don't have to be building ships, but they should always be expanding or building slipways or something when they are not retooling for new designs. bgreman fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Apr 25, 2012 |
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Apr 25, 2012 18:20
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Expanding takes progressively less time per +1000 tons as the expanded shipyard capacity helps expand it further (which is why I like continuous expansion, it makes the extra tonnage available as soon as it's built) You can be building a ship and expanding/retooling/adding another slipway at the same time. All new slipways come out at the Yard's maximum size. Which does slow down capacity expansion as I understand it.
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Apr 25, 2012 18:27
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Veloxyll posted:You can be building a ship and expanding/retooling/adding another slipway at the same time. All new slipways come out at the Yard's maximum size. Which does slow down capacity expansion as I understand it. It doesn't slow the rate of modification, but it makes the modification cost more, since the costs are per slipway. Since the rate of modification must be spread across the increased cost, the time to complete goes down.
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Apr 25, 2012 18:47
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bgreman posted:It doesn't slow the rate of modification, but it makes the modification cost more, since the costs are per slipway. Since the rate of modification must be spread across the increased cost, the time to complete goes down. Thats even better since it fits nicely with the York IIs build time, I see no reason to modify my orders for the time being
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Apr 25, 2012 19:13
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I got scared for a second with all the talk of building a CT-30 colony ship because it was never exactly intended to be built or operated by the government. Takes way too long to build. Leave it for the civilians to magic into existence. Speaking of which we may want a larger one in the near future when colonization efforts move into a higher gear. FROM: The Tank of SPERMCUBE.ORG CO of the 66th LTA "Battlefield Zamboni Division" TO: Spacebook Contacts Now that we have a pretty good idea of what we'll be doing with our commercial shipyard I thought it would be a good time to discuss what our naval shipyard could do too. I think it's about time to survey the outer system. I met a mysterious drifter who told me about this TNE divining rod he built out of mercassium and how it was pointing at Titan. Normally I give drifters the benefit of the doubt but that sounded kinda thin. I'm not so sure about all that divining rod stuff but he made a good point. Who knows what sort of wonders might be found in the vicinity of Uranus (heh.) So I sketched this out on a napkin from Red Robin: code: I almost decided to leave it in but it's disingenuous]As you can see it's a much more capable design than our probes which can't even reliably reach Jupiter. And a survey of the outer system could give us something to rub in the faces of the reds. Not to mention Versailles Shipyard is doing basically nothing anyway.
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Apr 25, 2012 19:54
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I like the light survey ship design. Why don't we have Versailles make one and devote any excess capacity to expanding?
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Apr 25, 2012 20:27
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From: Councillor DagPenge, Head of UN DoT To: UNEC; SPERMCUBE.ORG As the head of the Department of Transportation, I agree that getting a geosurvey ship would be a great idea. It allows us to figure which planets we should head for after Mars and as SPERMCUBE.ORG says our military shipyard is not doing anything anyway and won't be building military ships for quite some time yet, I belive that we could easy build a Panner class ship before retooling to weapons.
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Apr 25, 2012 20:29
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From U.N Industrial Command We agree, this survey ship would be an ideal build, we supprot building it as soon as possible.
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Apr 25, 2012 21:02
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UN, 30th August 2026 The Prospector probes orbiting Venus lose reactor power and shut down. Elsewhere, CMDR Jaramr's intelligence clearance is increased, giving him one of the UN's highest security clearances. UN, 20th September 2026  CMDR Ceebees undergoes a Federation familiarization session, increasing his ability to treat with Federation diplomats. UN, 30th September 2026  A graduate from the UNSA Academy branch, specializing in defensive systems, joins the UNSA research establishment. Note this means a new slot opens up for scientist characters. UN, 15th October 2026  In mid-October, the McKiernan York-class freighter makes it back to Earth after its deep space shakedown cruise, and begins to ferry infrastructure to the Tranquility colony. UN, 22nd October 2026  CMDR Jaramr continues his upward climb, receiving glowing reviews from a seminar course he teaches at the academy. UN, 26th October 2026  Dr. Eumenides attends a symposium on advanced applications of TN technology in logistical systems. UN, 26th October 2026  Another new graduate joins the UNIN officer corps, and CMDR Astus receives a commendation for his acumen at working with subordinates. UN, 8th November 2026, 17:48 UTC    From: UNIN Intelligence Office To: UNEC Re: Federation Contacts Sirs, at 8:15 UTC, a new thermal contact was registered in the suspected vicinity of one of the Federation's orbital shipyards. Its initial strength was 250, but soon dialed down to 204. Soon after the contact was detected, it set a course for Saturn, making 1500 km/s. It maintained this course for approximately 9.5 hours before it left the range of our DSTS moments ago. Intelligence has temporarily designated this class as Reka, pending CMDR Jaramr's official UN designation. Its speed makes it obvious that the Federation has developed TNE propulsion technologies. It would appear they are keeping pace with us. The blue circle around Earth in the screenshot is the range at which our passive DSTS is able to detect a signal strength of 201, so the 204 of the Reka would be detectable just a bit beyond that circle. Industry  Mining  Shipyards  You can see the ISS has started re-tooling for the York II-class. I had already advanced this far before I checked the thread and saw the request for the survey ship. The ship has been designed but not locked, and no yard tooled for it. Councilor Lord Windy will need to finalize that decision. Since Versailles has never been tooled for a class, this retool will be free. code:
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Apr 25, 2012 23:10
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FROM: Ynkling, Dept. of R&B Research Directive Update: November 2026 Inform Dr. Magicboots that his vacation plans are canceled. He is to find a way to miniaturize the Nuclear Thermal engine (Nuclear Thermal Missile Drive: 1.25 per MSP) to fit in a missile chassis when his magazine ejection project finishes. Given Dr. Slaan's familiarity with the subject, he is to take the project over when he finishes his Magazine Feed System. Assign him a total of 7 labs, and give the rest to Dr. Eumenides for his list of projects. Sound good to everyone?
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Apr 25, 2012 23:32
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