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Captn Kurp
Oct 21, 2013



I barely got a few hunting trips in here in Texas but I'll be moving to England for work in 2 months so I might have some questions for UK hunters. I'll likely pick up bow hunting so I don't have to deal with navigating gun laws, is bow hunting something that happens a lot in England?


EDIT: A quick google search says that it's illegal

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Loving Africa Chaps
Dec 3, 2007


We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.



Captn Kurp posted:

I barely got a few hunting trips in here in Texas but I'll be moving to England for work in 2 months so I might have some questions for UK hunters. I'll likely pick up bow hunting so I don't have to deal with navigating gun laws, is bow hunting something that happens a lot in England?


EDIT: A quick google search says that it's illegal

Yeah rifle hunting only. You'll be able to go on guided stalks no problem though. If you end up in the south east happy to take you to the clay ground!

Captn Kurp
Oct 21, 2013



Loving Africa Chaps posted:

Yeah rifle hunting only. You'll be able to go on guided stalks no problem though. If you end up in the south east happy to take you to the clay ground!

I might take you up on that at some point, I'll be at RAF Lakenheath near Cambridge so should be pretty close!

poeticoddity
Jan 14, 2007
"How nice - to feel nothing and still get full credit for being alive." - Kurt Vonnegut Jr. - Slaughterhouse Five

Captn Kurp posted:

I barely got a few hunting trips in here in Texas but I'll be moving to England for work in 2 months so I might have some questions for UK hunters. I'll likely pick up bow hunting so I don't have to deal with navigating gun laws, is bow hunting something that happens a lot in England?


EDIT: A quick google search says that it's illegal

I have no idea how much regulatory tape there is to deal with, but there's air-gun hunting in the UK which might be easier to navigate than firearms.
Grey squirrels are an invasive species that are hated, so there might be some unique opportunities there.

Apollodorus
Feb 13, 2010

TEST YOUR MIGHT


Wow what a slap in the face to the proud legacy of Robin Hood.

AmbassadorofSodomy
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!


I'm surprised they allow rifle hunting there. I've heard it's hard as hell to even get a shotgun 'ticket' there. Or are they generically calling a long gun a rifle?

DapperDraculaDeer
Aug 4, 2007

Shut up, Nick! You're not Twilight.

The UK has a long, long hunting tradition. Im sure the processing time for a shotgun cert is nightmarish but they are attainable in the UK without too much hassle. Just because it being impossible to own a firearm in the UK is a common trope in some gun communities doesnt make it true.

Ive never spoken to anyone that has gotten a rifle cert there. Now that seems like an incredibly headache.

Loving Africa Chaps
Dec 3, 2007


We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.



Shotgun is relatively easy to get. You need to have a reason to want one, a person who can vouch that you've been doing the thing you say you want it for (clays, game etc) and a secure cabinet the police officer will literally try and rip off the wall when they come to your house to inspect. You also need to grant access to your medical records. It's made clear owning a firearm is a privilege

Rifle is stricter and you need a separate safe for ammunition. Each calibre needs prospective approval, needs to be appropriate for that use (e.g you're not getting 338 lapua for fox control) and you again need proove you're able to use it for what you say you want it for. For hunting that might be proof of guided stalks or a letter from a landowner giving you permission to stalk on their land. As a new rifle owner you'll generally have some narrow restrictions (e.g deer only) for a while and then it's allowed to be used for "any other legal quarry". You can get 500 nitro express if you want, you just have to prove you can afford a buffalo hunt in Africa or whatever and if you have the land to make it safe and usable people do get 50bmg. Suppressors are given out like candy though.

So to use myself as an example I have a shotgun ticket but this year I'll probably do an intro to rifles course, a deer stalking course and then 1 or 2 paid stalks with the stalkers rifle to prove I'm committed before applying for a rifle. I'll also need to specify a maximum number of rounds for that rifle I want to keep in the house.

There is a long history of hunting in the UK but it's steeped in privilege and even the sporting rights on public land are leased to shoots that cater to very wealthy people. A days driven shooting for pheasant (the most common game shooting in England) is easily £500. Stalking (outside of Scotland) is less elitist but your ability to do it is dictated by access to private land so it's difficult to get into unless you have connections. I've accepted as a city dweller I'll be mostly doing paid stalks but I like venison and a stalk plus carcass will actually save me money given the prices game dealers in London charge. It will mostly be for does too because most paid stalks charge more for bucks on a sliding scale depending on how good it is.

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine


Discussion Quorum posted:

But last time I looked, target shotshells could be picked up by the case from Academy, and hunting loads were reasonably available.

I would like to amend this statement to: lol

Lot can change in a month I guess.

poeticoddity
Jan 14, 2007
"How nice - to feel nothing and still get full credit for being alive." - Kurt Vonnegut Jr. - Slaughterhouse Five

Discussion Quorum posted:

I would like to amend this statement to: lol

Lot can change in a month I guess.

I poked my head in the sporting goods section at my local Walmart a few days ago and they had a few boxes of steel 20 ga sitting out and a weird stockpile of small boxes of .410 behind the counter (I'm guessing a specialty hunting round in 5 shell packs) and that was literally all of the ammo in the store unless you count BBs/pellets.

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine


Academy had bare shelves besides a few boxes of 28 gauge Federal target. Even the 450 Bushmaster was gone, I guess because deer season is over.

Federal had everything I needed in stock (basic target loads and some #6 upland). Of course I dithered until I could check the store and now that's all gone, only steel or turkey loads left. Time to watch and wait.

Ophidian
Jan 12, 2005

Woo WOO, Look a Parrot...
LOOK AT IT!


Discussion Quorum posted:

Academy had bare shelves besides a few boxes of 28 gauge Federal target. Even the 450 Bushmaster was gone, I guess because deer season is over.

Federal had everything I needed in stock (basic target loads and some #6 upland). Of course I dithered until I could check the store and now that's all gone, only steel or turkey loads left. Time to watch and wait.

That reminds me I need to buy some turkey ammo

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine


Federal came through for me at 5:30 this morning. Managed to grab what looked like the last of their #8 target ammo, but they still had a fair bit of high brass and heavy field in #4-#6 if anybody needs any.

I'm looking for recommendations on ear protection for small game hunting. I have some electronic Howard Leight earmuffs that would suck to wear out in the field all day in Texas. Beyond that, I just have foam ear plugs, which seem like they may deaden the other sounds of the forest too much. Would something like these Decibullz with percussive filters be a good choice?

Might go see a hearing specialist anyways as I already have some mild tinnitus (not from shooting), but the specialist/true custom products seem to start at around $500-600 and shoot up stratospherically. That's not really realistic for me right now.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com


I have this dumb idea for earmuffs that are in a raised position so you can hear, but have a chinstrap sort of thing that let's you flop them down real quick when you want to take a shot. They probably exists and are probably terrible but I feel it's the one good idea I'll have in 2021 and I don't want to ruin it.

poeticoddity
Jan 14, 2007
"How nice - to feel nothing and still get full credit for being alive." - Kurt Vonnegut Jr. - Slaughterhouse Five

Outrail posted:

I have this dumb idea for earmuffs that are in a raised position so you can hear, but have a chinstrap sort of thing that let's you flop them down real quick when you want to take a shot. They probably exists and are probably terrible but I feel it's the one good idea I'll have in 2021 and I don't want to ruin it.

If they're built to block sound, they probably seal well enough that having them flop down on your ears is going to be uncomfortable because it'll cause a pressure spike at your eardrums.
I've run into this issue when particularly tight-fitting earmuffs slipped out of my hand while being put on or taken off.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com


Yeah, there's a few issues. Maybe if they slide down over a frame? I'm sure there's a way to do it effectively. Not so sure there's a way to do it that doesn't look dumb as hell.

AmbassadorofSodomy
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!


Discussion Quorum posted:

Federal came through for me at 5:30 this morning. Managed to grab what looked like the last of their #8 target ammo, but they still had a fair bit of high brass and heavy field in #4-#6 if anybody needs any.

I'm looking for recommendations on ear protection for small game hunting. I have some electronic Howard Leight earmuffs that would suck to wear out in the field all day in Texas. Beyond that, I just have foam ear plugs, which seem like they may deaden the other sounds of the forest too much. Would something like these Decibullz with percussive filters be a good choice?

Might go see a hearing specialist anyways as I already have some mild tinnitus (not from shooting), but the specialist/true custom products seem to start at around $500-600 and shoot up stratospherically. That's not really realistic for me right now.

There are electronic ones that block loud noises but the stop blocking so you can carry on a normal conversation, made by walker and 3m-peltor that I've been looking at.
They have mixed reviews but I might take the plunge on a pair at some point in the not to distant future.

They're a couple hundred bucks for a pair though.

LordOfThePants
Sep 25, 2002



They have fallen out of favor here, but the Howard Leight Impact Sports are a good, low cost entry if you want to try electronic muffs. They are not as comfortable as the 3M offerings, but they are quite a bit cheaper.

They are pretty nice for hunting. I have *terrible* hearing and it feels like I have bionic ears with them on in the woods.

Griz
May 21, 2001



wesleywillis posted:

They're a couple hundred bucks for a pair though.

??

Peltor Sport Tactical 100 (22 dB) is like $60, same as the Howard Leights, and even the high end model (26 dB with bluetooth) is $135, same as the electronic earplugs.

I don't like the plugs, they never fit right and the batteries aren't replaceable.

Griz fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Jan 27, 2021

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine


I already have an older pair of the Impact Pros, I'm thinking they're going to be miserable in the Texas heat though. My first hunting opportunity will probably be late spring/early summer (we have a May squirrel season and rabbits are year round), but down here 90 degree highs are reasonably possible from March to November.

Apollodorus
Feb 13, 2010

TEST YOUR MIGHT


I wore my Howard Leight Impact earmuffs the two times I was able to try hunting and they were not uncomfortable. They also made my hearing (which is not great normally) substantially better, and kept my ears warm to boot. They are bulky so thatís not a plus, but otherwise a great value. I canít wear earplugs unless theyíre custom fitted, because one of my ears has a giant canal owing to one of my many surgeries, so these are basically the only option anyway. I should spray them blaze orange though, now that I think about it...

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine


Apollodorus posted:

kept my ears warm to boot

This is my main concern though. If it's 80+ or even 90+ degrees out and sticky humid, I want my ears to be un-warm. Possibly even frozen solid.

Sounds like the electronic earbuds might be worth a look. I have plenty of time to look around.

JRay88
Jan 4, 2013


The best earpro that wonít get your ears sweaty is a suppressor.

AmbassadorofSodomy
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!


Griz posted:

??

Peltor Sport Tactical 100 (22 dB) is like $60, same as the Howard Leights, and even the high end model (26 dB with bluetooth) is $135, same as the electronic earplugs.

I don't like the plugs, they never fit right and the batteries aren't replaceable.

Those are muffs. I was talking about the ear plugs.

These ones, and another set made by walker.

Ok, these ones are cheaper than I recalled, though the price is probably in freedom dollars.

https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/walkers-silencer-digital-ear-buds

I know its a big outlay (for me anyway), but I'd prefer the buds rather than the muffs.

charliebravo77
Jun 11, 2003



Maybe if the weather isn't entirely poo poo this weekend I'll go out for my last chance for squirrels in IL.

From the comfort of the indoors I revisited some old hunt photos tweaking them with my current editing style to see how they looked.

Arizona is big sky country, too.




Default Flatland western hunting pose when he's not tearing up a mountain at 25mph. These are three different days and I have dozens more.




Chaosfeather
Nov 4, 2008



To be fair, he knows any time you aren't glassing is time that you aren't finding game.

Gorgeous photos! That first one definitely makes me feel nostalgic for my summer trips to AZ.

Hasselblad
Dec 13, 2017
NRA shill who thinks homeless people would love to live in migrant border camps. Help me realize I am a bigoted piece of shit.


Discussion Quorum posted:



Might go see a hearing specialist anyways as I already have some mild tinnitus (not from shooting), but the specialist/true custom products seem to start at around $500-600 and shoot up stratospherically. That's not really realistic for me right now.

Careful with the tinnitus. An aid is just as likely to make it worse after a session of use. I have one for my right ear (vigorous QTip and then shooting...dont ask), and while it helps to hear, it is almost damaging to the hearing I have left in that ear. And it is one of the 2+ grand models.

I found out that there really is no consensus on how to deal with tinnitus, or what is even creating the ringing..

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"




Having heard a nonstop C# for...almost eight years now, let me tell you this - do anything you can to avoid it, because there isnít a fix.

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine


Oh no I'm already in the forever 8kHz club. Honestly it doesn't bother me that much at its current level. It annoys me that I have it, but I'm pretty good at just ignoring it. I do, however, want to safeguard it from getting worse.

I do plan on picking up a suppressor for my .22 at some point but suppressing my 12ga is uhhh not likely.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"




Covering my condo in noise machines helps.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com


N'thing the avoid loving up your ears at all costs.

I've got tinnitus but also apparently (according to industry mandated testing) have near perfect hearing. I'm constantly straining to hear stuff because the real noises are overlaid with ringing.

Last year I got too excited and took a shot without pulling the muffs down and I'm so pissed at myself. Had a few minutes of waiting for the doe to line up and just forgot :/

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"




I can much more easily tune stringed instruments by ear now.

It's the one plus of tinnitus.

alnilam
Nov 10, 2009


Posting in the springtime


Now that I live out west I realize I need to practice my 200-300 yard shots before hunting season. I also have found out that the land I hunted last fall allows target shooting, and would be a good place to do it. With 5 months until deer season, am I going to spoil my hunting spot by target shooting there?

Ophidian
Jan 12, 2005

Woo WOO, Look a Parrot...
LOOK AT IT!


YMMV but we used to shoot skeet and targets/tannerite during the summer at my uncles cabin and they have been pulling plenty of good deer out of there for years with no noticeable degradation in numbers/quality.

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Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com


There a patch of trees about 300m from a gun range near me. I've hunted bumped deer (including a 3pt buck) from the same patch several times during hunting season while the range was being used. I guess they just get used to the sounds and stop associating it with sudden death? Or possibly deer are just dumb as rocks sometimes.

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