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loll at moving discussion to reddit, that wont be toxic at all
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i knew something like this was gonna happen eventually. a lotta underground fractures been simmering there for years I think
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Nov 22, 2021 19:20
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mystes posted:Maybe they can join scala instead also lol
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animist posted:i knew something like this was gonna happen eventually. a lotta underground fractures been simmering there for years I think
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Nov 22, 2021 20:13
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Carthag Tuek posted:loll at moving discussion to reddit, that wont be toxic at all it’s surprisingly ok. guess they do a decent job moderating the subreddit.
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I'm interested in the tea about some nefarious Amazon takeover of the community's power centers, although this particular issue seems to be CoC violations by members of the ruling committee and not Amazon.
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Since I love drama I wish they would have actually said what happened, but I generally trust Andrew to have actual reasons for doing things. Of course HN believes it’s all Ashley Williams’ fault, or the very notion of having a CoC and moderation team in the first place.
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yeah hn/slashdot love to frame ashley's twitter as some disgusting hive of racism and sexism for tweeting kill all men once. its hard not to create drama in these scenarios but further comments seem to be focusing on the general difficulty in resolving disputes between the mod team and the core team more than the specific dispute in question, which is a far more productive thing to talk about than "we must punish this person for justice to be served"
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animist posted:i knew something like this was gonna happen eventually. a lotta underground fractures been simmering there for years I think please expand
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Sapozhnik posted:I'm interested in the tea about some nefarious Amazon takeover of the community's power centers, although this particular issue seems to be CoC violations by members of the ruling committee and not Amazon. that was my read as well, and the reply to this comment seems to corroborate that https://reddit.com/r/rust/comments/qzme1z/_/hln65nd/?context=1
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cinci zoo sniper posted:that was my read as well, and the reply to this comment seems to corroborate that https://reddit.com/r/rust/comments/qzme1z/_/hln65nd/?context=1 yeah from this it seems like there’s something regarding a core member that got stonewalled and they looked at the governance structure and said “there’s nowhere for us to go to resolve this, there’s a bug in the org”
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FamDav posted:please expand don't encourage overeating
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wtf is a moderation team for a programming language?
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DELETE CASCADE posted:wtf is a moderation team for a programming language? upholds code of conduct (unless a core team member is the violator)
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something tells me if you have a volunteer HR department for your community, the people who volunteer are not going to be the people you want in that role
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Nov 22, 2021 23:22
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i'm confident the moderation team didn't consist of the first five volunteers from reddit and anyway they just un-volunteered so that means they're legit right
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Nov 22, 2021 23:25
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1) why does a programming language need a moderation team? 2) "trust us guys it's bad but we won't say what it is" lol, just let it out man geeze
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i just wanted to bbe a moderator for a niche programming language
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Nov 22, 2021 23:26
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having a real hard time figuring out why a large project consisting of many people working together might want to have and enforce some guidelines for working together
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If your language has a CoC then you’re going to have something that is a de-facto mod team, right? otherwise the CoC means nothing. Also naturally the mod team/CoC only applies to either to contributions to language/compiler issues, or to official events and forums. I’m also annoyed at the vaguebooking but the mods in question are longtime contributors to various rust projects and the community as a whole so I’m willing to wait and see, and assume they had a reason to do what they did.
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akadajet posted:1) why does a programming language need a moderation team? lol at posting this when last page was “scala is the language for nazis”
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can someone at all explain what is going on though? i understand the implication (and am prepared to accept it as likely true) that someone on the core team is a horrible person, but surely there's something more known that can be added?
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Doesn’t look like it even needs to be a horrible person necessarily, due to the ambiguity of the mod team having any authority over core. it could be something like “we told X core member to apologize for Y in an interpersonal conflict and they told us to gently caress off” because it also seems that the core team is also part of moderation, as they approve any suspensions/bans as well as unilaterally issuing their own bans/suspensions. Somewhere in the Reddit thread one of the mod team in question outlined what the duties of the mod team actually are and it does seem to be real muddled when it comes to the core team. They’re supposed to “mediate” when a core member is involved in something interpersonal but it feels like that could break down real easily.
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i remember the days when, if you had an interpersonal conflict with a core team member, the core team member told you to go gently caress yourself, and that was it, you stopped contributing to the project. i'm not saying that is a good solution, but i am failing to see how a volunteer HR department with no actual power is any better
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you've gotta admit "we told X core member to apologize for Y in an interpersonal conflict and they told us to gently caress off, so we all did" would be a fairly amusing outcome i'm kinda hoping for a wildcard like amazon seizing control of the project and using leverage on a bunch of people to silence dissent
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Internet Janitor posted:i'm kinda hoping for a wildcard like amazon seizing control of the project and using leverage on a bunch of people to silence dissent this would be way more interesting than what’s probably going on. e: not sure why people keep trying to dunk on them as “volunteer HR” though. again, if you have a CoC then someone’s gonna be filling this role. Do they become untouchables when they become mods? Gaukler fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Nov 23, 2021 |
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one of the former mods talks about their motivation for not giving deets here: https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/qzme1z/moderation_team_resignation/hlodwwq/
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:can someone at all explain what is going on though? i understand the implication (and am prepared to accept it as likely true) that someone on the core team is a horrible person, but surely there's something more known that can be added? there’s no information available, presumably to avoid inciting a witch hunt or personal attacks. rust development organisation’s (not foundation’s) “hr department” (moderation team) has resigned, intentionally vaguely alluding to irreconcilable differences between them and the “board of executives” (core team) on the subjects of accountability, code of conduct enforcement the op of reddit thread i linked above contains the full resignation statement, since 2 of the 3 official moderation team members also moonlight as moderators on the unofficial subreddit
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there's also this comment I think by a former mod: https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/qzme1z/moderation_team_resignation/hlo0acb/
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Carthag Tuek posted:one of the former mods talks about their motivation for not giving deets here: unless it would put a victim in danger this poo poo is weak
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i think rust mod teams have always have had the approach of trying to redirect + memory hole drama as quickly as possible. i remember a few years back somebody threw a shitfit cause the core team reverted something he was doing with 128 bit integers; there was a bit of an uproar and he tried to fork the stdlib... I don't think anything ever came of it, nobody even remembers it now. the reddit mods basically shut down discussion of it after a while and I think other places did similar. i think other drama has gotten a similar response -- the async fighting comes to mind. it's been effective? they've at least been able to defend against forks. and I think it's been effective for preventing too many hate mobs from forming. but idk how well it'll work if they're trying to coup the core team w/o telling anybody why lol
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animist posted:i think rust mod teams have always have had the approach of trying to redirect + memory hole drama as quickly as possible.
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mystes posted:that's just because the rust mod team wants their coc to be a zero cost abstraction, op lol
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mystes posted:that's just because the rust mod team wants their coc to be a zero cost abstraction, op
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mystes posted:that's just because the rust mod team wants their coc to be a zero cost abstraction, op 
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this week in stalling over just coding something: ive been reading about f# units of measure system, which looks really cool for systems modelling
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cinci zoo sniper posted:this week in stalling over just coding something: ive been reading about f# units of measure system, which looks really cool for systems modelling it's such a cool feature that ive never really got to use. every time im writing typescript involving % or similar I wish I could embed it properly in the type system
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cinci zoo sniper posted:this week in stalling over just coding something: ive been reading about f# units of measure system, which looks really cool for systems modelling you can get the same stuff in c++ (wrote my own for learning, others exist), we also have a pre processor over our c written in ocaml which does the same thing
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Sweeper posted:we also have a pre processor over our c written in ocaml why do people inflict such things upon themselves
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