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What if they kill off old Spock?
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May 7, 2012 10:08
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"I've been dead before"
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May 7, 2012 10:11
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7thBatallion posted:What if they kill off old Spock? I'd love to see a scene where old Spock references two dimensional thinking or another lynchpin of TWOK and NuKirk is completely unimpressed.
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May 7, 2012 15:08
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7thBatallion posted:What if they kill off old Spock? Stop killing Nimoy you jerks 
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May 7, 2012 16:28
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lizardman posted:"I've been dead before" Star Trek: The Search for Old Spock
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May 7, 2012 18:37
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At the end of every New Trek movie, just before the credits roll, we cut to a quick shot of Old Spock singlehandedly taking care of a major event from Star Trek before it becomes a big deal. "Hey, great job on taking care of Khan, by the way, I got these humpback whales. Also, it's the Voyager space probe. Just write that down for now."
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May 7, 2012 19:06
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A Doomed Purloiner posted:I thought the footage cut from the last film only showed them with helmets on so you didn't know whether they were ridged or not. Correct, but my reasoning for why I said what I did, was that I remember the helmets having ridges on them. That's basically my entire reasoning, it's pretty flimsy, I admit.
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May 7, 2012 20:51
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I can easily imagine JJ Abrams apparently killing Kirk instead of one of the Spocks in the end of the movie (as a "twist" on the TWOK ending) in some ambiguous manner; trying to a pull a Lost and ENDLESS SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE.
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May 7, 2012 22:28
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I really can't stand watching any type of Star Trek television show, and yet I loved the 2009 film. JJ can tell a drat good story, and I have high hopes for this one too.
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May 8, 2012 03:51
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CelestialScribe posted:I really can't stand watching any type of Star Trek television show, and yet I loved the 2009 film. JJ can tell a drat good story, and I have high hopes for this one too. The ony really good Star Trek movies are Wrath of Khan, Abrams' Star Trek and Galaxy Quest so that's not a big surprise.
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May 8, 2012 03:53
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LesterGroans posted:The ony really good Star Trek movies are Wrath of Khan, Abrams' Star Trek and Galaxy Quest so that's not a big surprise. I thought Undiscovered Country was pretty decent as well.
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May 8, 2012 05:07
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Voyage Home rules, you dummies. I know that and I don't even like Star Trek.
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May 8, 2012 05:26
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Hell, Search for Spock is pretty solid. Nimoy's a good director. First Contact was good too. I'll say this for the franchise, it managed to go 5-5.
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May 8, 2012 06:51
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:Voyage Home rules, you dummies. I know that and I don't even like Star Trek. Voyage Home is terrible, probably my least favourite of the original cast movies. Search For Spock is boring as hell but at least it's not trying to be funny and failing horribly.
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May 8, 2012 07:40
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7thBatallion posted:What if they kill off old Spock? What if they kill off Kirk instead? Or even Bones? Might be interesting to shake things up a bit.
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May 8, 2012 08:00
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Maxwell Lord posted:First Contact was good too. First Contact is a piece of poo poo. It introduced stupid stuff like the borg being able to travel through time and the queen, plus it rewrote characters so they acted in direct opposition to how they should have.
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May 8, 2012 11:32
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ConanTheLibrarian posted:First Contact is a piece of poo poo. It introduced stupid stuff like the borg being able to travel through time and the queen, plus it rewrote characters so they acted in direct opposition to how they should have. How so?
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May 8, 2012 15:21
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:Voyage Home rules, you dummies. I know that and I don't even like Star Trek. Voyage Home is a Back To the Future ripoff without the added implications of "what if going back in time changes the future substantially" and is mostly used as an excuse for "well what if Star Trek...was in the present [of 1986]?"
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May 8, 2012 15:30
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Great_Gerbil posted:How so? I'm glad you asked this question, because it makes it so I get to link this; http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-trek/star-trek-first-contact/ Basically, and this is just my own opinion, it changed Picards character to much, and that's why I hated it. He is nothing like he is on TNG. On First Contact, he is a blood thirsty, vengeful person. Some of the things he does in the movie (like just randomly slaughter one of his own crew members), would never have happened on the t.v. show.
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May 8, 2012 15:32
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computer parts posted:Voyage Home is a Back To the Future ripoff without the added implications of "what if going back in time changes the future substantially" and is mostly used as an excuse for "well what if Star Trek...was in the present [of 1986]?" But Back to the Future didn't have any jokes about Harold Robbins. Or, "What does it mean, exact change?" First Contact may not maintain continuity with the series that well, but it's a good story in and of itself.
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May 8, 2012 15:34
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Maxwell Lord posted:First Contact may not maintain continuity with the series that well, but it's a good story in and of itself. No, not really. There's to many plot holes to make it a good story. There are moments where either the Borg, or the Enterprise crew could have easily ended the movie right then and there, but instead they all do something stupid, in order to keep the plot moving.
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May 8, 2012 15:34
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Time travel stories can gloss over their plotholes, spaceship stories can gloss over their plotholes, but time traveling spaceships only work in stuff like Doug Adams books (or Star Trek 4).
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May 8, 2012 17:50
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I said come in! posted:I'm glad you asked this question, because it makes it so I get to link this; http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-trek/star-trek-first-contact/ I remember watching that and decided when he said that the TNG ep when Worf fragments time was the "worst episode of Star Trek" that redlettermedia actually has no idea what they're talking about.
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May 8, 2012 19:21
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Drunkboxer posted:I remember watching that and decided when he said that the TNG ep when Worf fragments time was the "worst episode of Star Trek" that redlettermedia actually has no idea what they're talking about. That was one of the few times I disagree with RLM. That was actually one of the best TNG episodes ever.
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May 8, 2012 19:34
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I said come in! posted:I'm glad you asked this question, because it makes it so I get to link this; http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-trek/star-trek-first-contact/ Those are dumb arguments and the Red Letter Media review is deliberately tongue-in-cheek because it knows those arguments are dumb and things only the geekiest of continuity geeks would care about. People who don't like Voyage Home and First Contact can eat a dick, I say. 
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May 8, 2012 20:17
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lizardman posted:Those are dumb arguments and the Red Letter Media review is deliberately tongue-in-cheek because it knows those arguments are dumb and things only the geekiest of continuity geeks would care about. You can ignore the stuff about the room that leads no where, or the shuttle bay being in a strange location. But there are some very good points raised about the overall storyline, and actions of the characters, that just ruins the movie. I really can't say anything positive about the TNG movies, sorry! Voyage Home is an awesome movie though. I was under the impression everyone liked it?
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May 8, 2012 20:24
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I said come in! posted:I'm glad you asked this question, because it makes it so I get to link this; http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-trek/star-trek-first-contact/ I agree with some of that, but I still think it's one of the most entertaining Star Trek movies. Especially because they at least tried to make Picard deal with his trauma. On the TV show, the writers had to fight to get even one episode of that - Roddenberry and Berman basically wanted to pick up the show after Picard's assimilation as if nothing had happened. I watched Abrams' Star Trek again last week, and goddamn is it a fun, good movie. Music, casting, humor, it just hits all the right notes. It's pretty impressive when you listen to the commentary and watch the deleted scenes, and see how much it was cut up from its original version.
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May 8, 2012 20:57
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davidspackage posted:I watched Abrams' Star Trek again last week, and goddamn is it a fun, good movie. Music, casting, humor, it just hits all the right notes. It's pretty impressive when you listen to the commentary and watch the deleted scenes, and see how much it was cut up from its original version. I have to agree, especially on Bones. Dr. McCoy posted:Don't pander to me, kid. One tiny crack in the hull and our blood boils in thirteen seconds. Solar flare might crop up, cook us in our seats. And wait'll you're sitting pretty with a case of Andorian shingles, see if you're still so relaxed when your eyeballs are bleeding. Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence.
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May 9, 2012 08:08
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I said come in! posted:You can ignore the stuff about the room that leads no where, or the shuttle bay being in a strange location. But there are some very good points raised about the overall storyline, and actions of the characters, that just ruins the movie. I also appreciated the fact that Worf stood up and challenged Picard on his decision-making, something 1st Season TNG Worf wouldn't have done. While the time-travel and the creation of the Queen was not the greatest thing, overall it's by far the best TNG movie and I put it 2nd best among Trek films. Although I'm a TNG homer so you can take it with a grain of salt if you want.
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May 9, 2012 16:51
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The problem about Picard was that the show didn't develop any of this, and had like 6 or 7 more run-ins with the Borg since his abduction where he was obviously well adjusted at that point. It didn't make the movie "bad" - it was just an annoying, weird nagging thing that you couldn't really ignore while watching. RLM's overall point is correct, though. The TNG movies shoehorned characters into whatever role they felt like with no prior consideration of the personality traits of that character. Ahab-Picard was an example of this, even if it worked "ok' within the bubble of that particular movie only.
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May 9, 2012 16:56
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Yeah, I mean, I'm willing to ignore a little character fudging for the sake of a narrative, but the leap between "They are a sentient species who deserve the right to live" Picard and "They all deserve to die for what they've done" Picard was just too huge for me to go with.
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May 9, 2012 19:25
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Crappy Jack posted:Yeah, I mean, I'm willing to ignore a little character fudging for the sake of a narrative, but the leap between "They are a sentient species who deserve the right to live" Picard and "They all deserve to die for what they've done" Picard was just too huge for me to go with. He wrestled with wiping out the whole race in TNG. But he thought Hugh was cute so he didn't.
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May 9, 2012 19:51
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davidspackage posted:I watched Abrams' Star Trek again last week, and goddamn is it a fun, good movie. Music, casting, humor, it just hits all the right notes. It's pretty impressive when you listen to the commentary and watch the deleted scenes, and see how much it was cut up from its original version. I think it's one of the best examples of a really stupid movie that's nevertheless genuinely entertaining. EDIT: I realized I'm kind of repeating myself here so I'll stop now. 
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May 9, 2012 21:02
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Entertaining, but the plot makes no sense. It's carried purely by the characters and actors. Edit: to be more specific, I still don't quite understand what the main villian is enraged about. The blame he assigns is completely.... well, illogical.
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May 10, 2012 02:35
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NarkyBark posted:Entertaining, but the plot makes no sense. It's carried purely by the characters and actors. He loses his home world because Spock hosed up for whatever reason, so he decides to go back in time and destroy Spock's homeworld, and then help conquer the Federation for the Romulans because he's a Romulan patriot or something (that's the only bit I never really got, but based on his actions you could infer that he digs his planet a lot).
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May 10, 2012 03:49
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Nero's angry at Spock because he failed to stop the disaster which both killed his pregnant wife and destroyed Romulus (which was the purpose of the Red Matter in Spocks's ship). Both Nero and Spock got pulled into the anomaly by accident; neither intended to go back in time.
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May 10, 2012 03:54
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computer parts posted:He loses his home world because Spock hosed up for whatever reason, so he decides to go back in time and destroy Spock's homeworld, and then help conquer the Federation for the Romulans because he's a Romulan patriot or something (that's the only bit I never really got, but based on his actions you could infer that he digs his planet a lot). Romulans are as a culture taught to be very patriotic and respectful of the leadership and all so yea even a random miner dick would be all 'I must reclaim the Empire's glory!' Of course if you're NOT a super nerd it doesn't make sense and that's a failing, but if you're a trek dork it works. Regardless though, bro has a legit beef with the federation, I mean obviously time-genocide is wrong but I can understand 'oh poo poo my people got wiped out including my pregnant wife, well gently caress this noise.'
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May 10, 2012 06:06
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Glitterbomber posted:Romulans are as a culture taught to be very patriotic and respectful of the leadership and all... I still feel the Nero/Spock rivalry is a stretch. I believe Spock was one of the few trying to save Romulus - sure his plan didn't work, but at least he tried. I can look past that and accept Nero is insane (although he doesn't get enough screen time to show that), but why not take his fancy ship full of advanced Borg tech to the senate and warn them? Empire is saved AND now has technology/knowledge from the future.
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May 10, 2012 19:33
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The funniest part is that Nero was apparently waiting in one spot for Spock for years and years, since there is nothing at all in the film that would make you think otherwise.
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May 10, 2012 19:49
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Glitterbomber posted:Romulans are as a culture taught to be very patriotic and respectful of the leadership and all so yea even a random miner dick would be all 'I must reclaim the Empire's glory!' Supposedly, and I'm getting this from Star Trek Online, so grain-of-salt, the Federation and the Vulcans officially declined to help the Romulans with the supernova shockwave. I believe Spock personally took the issue into his own hands with the Red Matter and the Vulcan Science Academy ship, but ultimately failed to save their homeworld, but probably helped them stem off some of the damage to the rest of their space. Akalies posted:I can look past that and accept Nero is insane (although he doesn't get enough screen time to show that), but why not take his fancy ship full of advanced Borg tech to the senate and warn them? Which he probably would have done if he wasn't crippled by the Kelvin, which led to his capture by the Klingons. Of course, this would have been easier explained if they hadn't cut out Nero's imprisonment and escape.
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May 10, 2012 19:55
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