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SamEyeAm
Jun 6, 2013

Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Lockback posted:

I can tell you with certainty those Lenovo hinges have a very finite life to them.

Bummer, Iíve heard good things about Lenovo. Do you have experience with this model?

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SamEyeAm
Jun 6, 2013

Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.


This had me excited, then is saw its AMD. I want an Intel i7. What is your opinion of MSi?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

SamEyeAm posted:

This had me excited, then is saw its AMD. I want an Intel i7. What is your opinion of MSi?

The newer mobile Ryzen chips are actually pretty nice.

Intel's still slightly faster in single-threaded tasks: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Every...h.466999.0.html

The other thing that leaves out is that the Ryzen chips run a bit hotter. As for my opinions of MSI - their customer service can leave a bit to be desired, but their product quality is decent. Remember you have a 90 day window (double-check this, obviously) in which to buy a SquareTrade policy on a new computer.

Notebook Check does a really decent job on their reviews, too - so maybe keep an eye on this page: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Reviews.55.0.html

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Jul 30, 2020

Statutory Ape
Sep 12, 2017



i wonder how AMD stacks up against intel thermally now in notebooks now that you can't undervolt the new intel chips

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010

Don't look at me-
I'm ugly in the morning
When the headaches gone
The sun is not.
Forgot to turn the alarm
On - on




Pillbug

BIG HEADLINE posted:


Six months ago I'd have argued DLSS weren't worth it. Now, though? Yes, yes they are.


Look up Death Stranding videos to see exactly how good the new DLSS2.0 stuff is. At the lower res of laptop screens, with good DLSS support youíll be able to put on raytracing in some capacity and then max out everything else easily. But you need an RTX card to do that, so the 2060 is the way to go.

E:in games that support the new DLSS, that is.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009



College Slice

Kopite7kimi has a decent track record with leaks don't they?

https://twitter.com/kopite7kimi/sta...811296435998723
https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/stat...813224700317696

Statutory Ape
Sep 12, 2017




im gonna spend more on video cards in the next year than ive spent on most of my previous computers

which, considering i dont really skimp out,

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004



Irresponsible?

repiv
Aug 13, 2009



College Slice

Enos Cabell posted:

Irresponsible?

callback to jensen saying the gtx1080 had "irresponsible amounts of performance" at the pascal launch

Parallelwoody
Apr 9, 2008



No one gamer should have all that power

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004



repiv posted:

callback to jensen saying the gtx1080 had "irresponsible amounts of performance" at the pascal launch

Hah, well 4 years in on my 1080 now I'm thinking he wasn't far off.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012

I came here to laugh at you





Enos Cabell posted:

Irresponsible?

You can't just beam your last generation over the head with a 3000 point delta. Think of the children.

Time to start making sure I have the money put away for launch day I guess, though some of these rumors just seem so far-fetched.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

"You are the best poster... do not let anyone say otherwise."



It's gonna cost almost $10000 dollars right

Lockback
Sep 2, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.


SamEyeAm posted:

Bummer, Iíve heard good things about Lenovo. Do you have experience with this model?

I used this model that was....4 or 5 years older? But had the exact same hinge . They broke after like a year, I fixed them with some replacement parts (that was a huge PIA) and they broke again like 9 months later. While I don't abuse my laptop, I actually use them and open and close them one-handed, etc. It's a real bad design and I'd be surprised if they managed to fix the problem while keeping the same mechanics.

Lenovo is OK. They cram a lot of horsepower into their chasis but they don't have great cooling and overall I probably would prefer to roll dice with something else or pay a bit more. I replaced it with a Prostar which I have really liked a lot for the "Pretty cheap, mediocre cooling, gaming laptop" category.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

mobby_6kl posted:

It's gonna cost almost $10000 dollars right

MSRP last time around was supposed to be $999 for the 2080Ti and $2500 for the Titan. I wouldn't be surprised to see those go up 20% each (especially since street price for the 2080Ti was more like $1200).

Riflen
Mar 12, 2009

"Cheating bitch"

Bleak Gremlin

DrDork posted:

MSRP last time around was supposed to be $999 for the 2080Ti and $2500 for the Titan. I wouldn't be surprised to see those go up 20% each (especially since street price for the 2080Ti was more like $1200).

This is supply and demand though. There's no need to put the RRP up. There was high demand close to launch and constrained supply because there always is for these products due to how complex they are to manufacture.

It was absolutely possible to buy a RTX 2080 Ti at or near the RRP later on when supply caught up with demand. It doesn't make much sense to get mad because retailers aren't selling at RRP when supply is constrained.

Statutory Ape
Sep 12, 2017



its gonna be real disappointing when i read about goons buying a 3080ti and pairing it with a 22x1080p because 'budget'

Lockback
Sep 2, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.


3090 might just be the new Titan branding, with a 3080ti still existing. I posted before but I think NVidia purposefully to avoid statification taking shine away from the x70 and x80 levels.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Riflen posted:

This is supply and demand though. There's no need to put the RRP up. There was high demand close to launch and constrained supply because there always is for these products due to how complex they are to manufacture.

But it showed NVidia that tons of people were absolutely willing to pay $1200 for a top-end card. So given that, and that we expect it to be supply constrained again, why let the retailers make the bonus profit when NVidia can up their prices directly and capture the money instead? It's capitalism, man--there's no need to make record profits, either, but if they can, they will.

If they need to drop prices 6 months later if it's not selling as well as they want, they can always do that. But you basically can't raise MSRP once you've set it. That's why I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised to see a higher MSRP out the gate this time around.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010

Don't look at me-
I'm ugly in the morning
When the headaches gone
The sun is not.
Forgot to turn the alarm
On - on




Pillbug

Iím totally gonna get a 3080ti and hook it up to a 1080p display for laughs and to see how many fps I can get in Death Stranding with that DLSS going.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010



Lipstick Apathy

Statutory Ape posted:

its gonna be real disappointing when i read about goons buying a 3080ti and pairing it with a 22x1080p because 'budget'

that's ridiculous

I'm still on 720p

ufarn
May 30, 2009


The (US) economy is also looking like it's about to eat poo poo, so who the hell knows how to price GPUs (and consoles) at this point in history. I don't envy the companies that have to take all the factors of 2020 into account.

Icept
Jul 11, 2001



It's gonna be more expensive and the people who can't pay can go join the protests

-nvda exec

ufarn
May 30, 2009


please spend your rations on buying nvidia stock to accrue money to realize your consumerist desires citizen

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

If you had bought their stock a year ago you'd be able to sell it and afford the new cards!

Banano
Jan 10, 2005


Soiled Meat

DrDork posted:

Ever since my girlfriend decided to hook up her Apple TV to the TV in our bedroom because she lost the remote for the TV, I too now have passionate opinions about remotes. And it is this:

gently caress you, Apple, and your lovely loving stupid remote that tries to be super fancy and instead ends up being inferior in pretty much every way to a simple d-pad / arrow buttons.

Also gently caress you, Apple, for making a product that can't put out a reliable CEC "off" signal and results in the TV not turning off half the time, forcing us to turn the Apple TV back on just to turn it off again, sometimes several times, before it finally bothers to tell the TV that it's time to turn off.

I am now scouring eBay for a replacement TV remote, because gently caress that stupid box.

The hardbutton remotes for gen 3 Apple TVís work perfectly for gen 4 and 5

Taima
Dec 31, 2006




I just wish we knew what the 3090 is. The 90 moniker, if you'll recall, was previously used for a board with TWO chips on it. The 790, I believe it was. So there's always that outside chance. Though frankly that seems unlikely.

It could also just be that they're retiring the Ti label and going with the (much easier to understand) 3060,3070,3080,3090 lineup. It's also possible that this part is the titan, but that's not really the direction any of the leaks have been pointing... for what it's worth.

Statutory Ape
Sep 12, 2017



gradenko_2000 posted:

that's ridiculous

I'm still on 720p

grandpa still buying $1200 computer components because its what he remembers from the 80s and 90s

K8.0
Feb 26, 2004

Her Majesty's 56th Regiment of Foot

I really doubt Nvidia is going to do a dual-chip part. My two best guesses are they're either introducing the 3090 as some insanely high priced halo part like the Titan V or they're finally doing something sane and sticking to one name for the initial release and either Ti or Super for the refresh cadence.

Taima
Dec 31, 2006




That would be ideal (for our pocketbooks) if it was just the 3080 Ti except renamed to, you know, make sense in the lineup. Everyone gets that the 3090 is better than the 3080, I don't know why they ever complicated it in the first place.

VorpalFish
Mar 22, 2007
reasonably awesometm

Because then they confuse all the people who associate x90 with sli on a single pcb!

ILikeVoltron
May 17, 2003

I <3 spyderbyte!

SamEyeAm posted:

Bummer, Iíve heard good things about Lenovo. Do you have experience with this model?

I've been using a T480 for a few years and just upgraded to a T14. I think the lenovo T-line laptops are very good, run linux without an issue and are solid well constructed laptops. Sadly I don't know much of anything about their other brands

K8.0
Feb 26, 2004

Her Majesty's 56th Regiment of Foot

It's also possible that Nvidia wants to create space in their lineup. Typically x50 has been as low as it goes and really not a serious gaming part, and yet the 2060/Super are not exactly budget cards and if Ampere is the big step forward that's expected the 3060 would be a monster. So maybe they're bumping everything up by 10 to create space at the low end, so the 1650/1660 successors have somewhere to slot in.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

ILikeVoltron posted:

I've been using a T480 for a few years and just upgraded to a T14. I think the lenovo T-line laptops are very good, run linux without an issue and are solid well constructed laptops. Sadly I don't know much of anything about their other brands

The T-series (and W- and X-) might as well be made by a completely different company from the IdeaPads, S-series, E-Series, Legion, and whatever the gently caress else they've got out there now. ThinkPad T's are still excellent, while the others are no better than any of the other cheap plastic "disposable" laptops you'd see from Acer et al in their relative price points.

Taima
Dec 31, 2006




K8.0 posted:

It's also possible that Nvidia wants to create space in their lineup. Typically x50 has been as low as it goes and really not a serious gaming part, and yet the 2060/Super are not exactly budget cards and if Ampere is the big step forward that's expected the 3060 would be a monster. So maybe they're bumping everything up by 10 to create space at the low end, so the 1650/1660 successors have somewhere to slot in.

Yeah that's an interesting perspective, I could see that.


VorpalFish posted:

Because then they confuse all the people who associate x90 with sli on a single pcb!

All 9 of those people are going to be ravaged if true ^_^

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.


man the ponte vecchio delay is really bad. We desperately need multi-chiplet GPUs to cut the intrinsic cost of large GPUs. Nvidia knows they can sell every GPU they make and I bet they'd rather sell 2 $600 gpus than 1 $1k GPU, so the fact that die sizes are increasing is not great. Costs increase exponentially with die size as yield drops, so cutting a chip into 2 chiplets is a superlinear gain.


With coherent memory i don't think devs would even notice.

SamEyeAm
Jun 6, 2013

Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.

For laptop GeForce cards, where is the best value currently? The least powerful Iím willing to go is 1660Ti. Is the performance increase of the 2060 worth the extra cost? Or the 2070 compared to the 2060? Donít think Iíll be forking out for anything with a 2080.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

SamEyeAm posted:

For laptop GeForce cards, where is the best value currently? The least powerful Iím willing to go is 1660Ti. Is the performance increase of the 2060 worth the extra cost? Or the 2070 compared to the 2060? Donít think Iíll be forking out for anything with a 2080.

This depends heavily on what games you're planning on playing and the rest of the system. I wouldn't waste a 2070 on a 60Hz screen, for example.

The 2060 is looking like a much better long-term card (as much as a laptop can be a "long term" gaming platform, anyhow) than the 1660Ti because the 2060 supports DLSS 2.0 and the 16xx series don't. A 2070 is about 20% faster than a 2060 in most cases, so you can use that to determine if the extra price is worth it.

Lockback
Sep 2, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.


To make it more complex there is 2070 & 2060 and 2070 & 2060 Max-Q, where MQ have reduced clock speeds for power savings. Which one is "better" depends on thermals and how often you'll be gaming without a power cord.

If you're going to be doing AAA gaming the 2060 is probably worth the extra cost over the 1660ti due to the DLSS, if not I don't think it is (unless a lot more Indie or lower-tier games get DLSS). So basically clear as mud.

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SamEyeAm
Jun 6, 2013

Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.

DrDork posted:

This depends heavily on what games you're planning on playing and the rest of the system. I wouldn't waste a 2070 on a 60Hz screen, for example.

The 2060 is looking like a much better long-term card (as much as a laptop can be a "long term" gaming platform, anyhow) than the 1660Ti because the 2060 supports DLSS 2.0 and the 16xx series don't. A 2070 is about 20% faster than a 2060 in most cases, so you can use that to determine if the extra price is worth it.

Yes, all other things being equal, trying to get an idea of value. Thanks for the info on the cards. I think Iíll look at the 2060 as my baseline option. I want my laptop to be as ďfuture readyĒ as possible.

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