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What is interesting is while the price may go up, the performance bump is actually going up even further which in of itself is surprising in a good way. Unlike Intel from the Ivy Bridge to Kaby Lake.
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I'm curious as to what makes those RT cores so special. There's path tracers that work just fine on regular shader cores, and the only reason they're slow as gently caress is because they're rendering studio quality stuff at high sampling counts and ray bounces.
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EdEddnEddy posted:What is interesting is while the price may go up, the performance bump is actually going up even further which in of itself is surprising in a good way. Unlike Intel from the Ivy Bridge to Kaby Lake. Heard 2080ti would be 150% 1080ti which about right isn't it?
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DrDork posted:To be fair, that you can't get a 1070 cheap right now is thanks to crypto far more than NVidia, really. Actually I blame AMD for dropping the ball so hard, Nvidia really has no reason not to jack up their prices while the competition is basically gone fishing and there's no comeback in sight.. Anyway I bought my card in the 970 era, that's why I remember cards being much cheaper than today. I distinctly remember getting a mid-range 220€ card thinking that in 5 years I could get a much more powerful card for about the same money. Delusional fool  now for that price I could get a 1050Ti which is about 10% improvement from what I have.When a card as great as the 970 was 350€ at launch and cheaper a few months later, it's hard to justify spending more than 450€ for the modern equivalent which is 2 years old now.. loving crypto and AMD TorakFade fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Aug 15, 2018 08:05
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TorakFade posted:Anyway I bought my card in the 970 era, that's why I remember cards being much cheaper than today. The 970 was unusually cheap for how good it was. NVidia kept prices low in an effort to really put the screws to AMD, which had at least been legit competing with the 2xx series vs NVidia's 7xx series up to that point. So, yeah, you got one of the best price:performance cards in recent memory, and now you're looking at a market that's all hosed up thanks to a lack of competition and silly prices that still haven't entirely sorted themselves out after the crypto craze. That said, if the xx70 launches at around $400, you're looking at probably a ~50% performance jump over the 970. Hard to be angry about that. But, yeah, no reason to buy a 1070 right at the moment if it's at anything other than aggressive firesale prices.
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Aug 15, 2018 11:23
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Hasn't this been the rumour for every nvidia card since the 8800GT? Also remember that the I'm pretty sure at this point its just hardware sites making up poo poo over and over because when they're right for the 1 in 50th time, they were right!!!! Ahdinko fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Aug 15, 2018 14:10
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FunOne posted:I just want the 1070ti I bought to drop in price before the price rewind period ends. Come on MSI, start discounting! Quoting myself here, but I've already found $40+ worth of discounting. Come on, get aggressive into the weekend! My price rewind window closes on Friday, so I'm hoping to get some of my money back. Big fan of the 'enjoy it now' but 'pay the 2 month later price' on technology.
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Aug 15, 2018 15:05
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Meanwhile AMD sure did.....anounce a Vega based workstation card. (To be fair it’s pretty nice) https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.engadget.com/amp/2018/08/13/amd-radeon-pro-wx-8200-workstation-gpu/
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Aug 15, 2018 15:07
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What is the target demo for the RTX cards? Just high end 3d animators? I can't imagine that there are any games coming up that will take advantage of raytracing.
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Aug 15, 2018 15:17
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I think the new metro game is the only one that I've heard of that is using it so far.
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Aug 15, 2018 15:28
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Partial Octopus posted:What is the target demo for the RTX cards? Just high end 3d animators? I can't imagine that there are any games coming up that will take advantage of raytracing. The target is ultimately everyone. It's a process. First the game engines and APIs need to support it. But we have to start somewhere and that somewhere begins with someone with a suitable place in the industry actually building the hardware to make it worthwhile implementing software support. DirectX 12 is shortly getting support for ray tracing concepts (DXR), which can be accelerated using these RT cores. Vulkan too, probably with extensions to begin with. The upcoming Metro:Exodus game (release Feb 2019) will have support for various features achieved using ray tracing. So while there aren't many games now, there is one soon. Things will be slow to pick up, but much more accurate simulation of light has been a long term goal in real-time rendering since forever. This hardware will allow creators/developers to iterate much more rapidly and accurately, allowing them to spend their time more usefully. For people playing games, the result will be better image quality at the very least, but also cool things that were impossible/infeasible before now (seeing around corners using reflections, for example). Other improvements could come in the form of an increase in the developers ambition. Simulating a full day/night cycle might have been out of the question for some projects, because of the increase in work needed to simulate everything with current, unsophisticated methods. I would really like to play a round of Battlefield which begins at dusk and sees you fighting through the night until dawn.
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Riflen posted:DirectX 12 is shortly getting support for ray tracing concepts (DXR), which can be accelerated using these RT cores. Vulkan too, probably with extensions to begin with. Yeah, NV is pushing a Vulkan extension which follows the same principles as DXR: http://on-demand.gputechconf.com/gtc/2018/presentation/s8521-advanced-graphics-extensions-for-vulkan.pdf
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The card partners have info and cards now, so here comes EVEN MORE RUMORS BABY!!!! https://videocardz.com/77312/nvidia-geforce-20-series-rumor-roundup-3-breaking-the-enigma Looks like the 2080 is going to have significantly fewer shaders than the 1080 Ti (between 2944 and 3072), but with higher clocks and more memory bandwidth. The rumored price is $649. It also looks like the 2080 Ti may launch sooner rather than later, with it already showing up in the GPU-Z database. This kinda makes the memory amounts make more sense, and blends nicely with the earlier rumors/theorycrafting of Nvidia wanting to establish a new price point above the current Ti's $699.
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Cygni posted:The card partners have info and cards now, so here comes EVEN MORE RUMORS BABY!!!! 1080 FE launched with a 699 price point, and the Partner's Board were $599, so that is probably pretty reasonable all things considered.
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Lockback posted:1080 FE launched with a 699 price point, and the Partner's Board were $599, so that is probably pretty reasonable all things considered. Yeah, as noted, after factoring in inflation, the $600 1080 would have been more like $630 if it launched now, so with RAM pricing being what it is, and AMD nowhere to be found, $650 seems about as optimistic as we can hope for. A 2080Ti sooner rather than later would also be appreciated, as there's tons of headroom left on high-end monitors right now. A 3440x1440@120Hz would easily take a 1080Ti + 50% to max out with a lot of current AAA titles, nevermind future ones. And 4k@>60Hz is drawing close, too.
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Aug 15, 2018 17:32
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I was concerned with the gamescon rumors and whatnot for my auctions but in just one day the bids are already 3/4 of what I paid for the cards lol. I just hope there arent any problems once someone wins and then literally 12 hours later nvidia releases the 2070 for $199 and suddenly Im not getting payment
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Aug 15, 2018 18:40
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1gnoirents posted:I was concerned with the gamescon rumors and whatnot for my auctions but in just one day the bids are already 3/4 of what I paid for the cards lol. I just hope there arent any problems once someone wins and then literally 12 hours later nvidia releases the 2070 for $199 and suddenly Im not getting payment Really doubt the 2070 will be below $450 at this rate. Would be nice if it was though.
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1gnoirents posted:I just hope there arent any problems once someone wins and then literally 12 hours later nvidia releases the 2070 for $199 and suddenly Im not getting payment Lol you are literally worried that Nvidia might not price gouge
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Combat Pretzel posted:I'm curious as to what makes those RT cores so special. There's path tracers that work just fine on regular shader cores, and the only reason they're slow as gently caress is because they're rendering studio quality stuff at high sampling counts and ray bounces. Existing hardware does not have support for ray tracing acceleration structures. Casting a ray is simple mathematically, but passing around the information to intersect and shade that ray is not well suited to raster hardware. A key difference is that ray casting is highly incoherent. Once you hit a surface, if you want to cast a reflection ray in a random direction, you need more than just the immediately adjacent vertex or screen space information. That's a lot of information to carry in memory and the extra level of indirection is expensive to handle with compute shaders. On the other hand, raster graphics have been aggressively optimized for throughput. Rendering workflow generally involves setting one shader and then running it over lots of adjacent pixels. Since you're frequently drawing different parts of the same surface, you can reuse most of the state. This minimizes time spent changing state and copying information. Whereas a ray hit can potentially run any different shader based on what surface it hit. These can also potentially emit more rays, and before you know it, your cache is completely trashed. So all the ray tracing functionality that DXR exposes is explicitly handled by RTX, instead of being emulated in compute.
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Aug 15, 2018 20:06
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*jaws noises* https://twitter.com/IntelGraphics/status/1029792940648878080
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Aug 15, 2018 20:42
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Leave it to Raja to do the shroud reveal 2 years ahead of actually having a product.
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Aug 15, 2018 20:49
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Sorry intel you missed the bitcoin timing.
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Aug 15, 2018 20:49
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I was going to get an RTX 2080 but that teaser convinced me to wait.
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Aug 15, 2018 20:54
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Larrabee 2: Electric Boogaloo
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calusari posted:Larrabee 2: Electric Boogaloo They even have Tom Forsyth back.
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DoctorTristan posted:Lol you are literally worried that Nvidia might not price gouge I mean... the used market will tank. I just hope it isnt much. As discussed, there is little reason for me to worry about it being too low lol, but its a little hairy when $1500 is in the air and if there isnt a payment then the next go around will definitely bring in less. Its my fault for waiting
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I wonder how many XTREME GAMING designers Intel have on hand to design their consumer GPUs; be fun to see a style stand out by being extremely muted. Not to mention the web page. ufarn fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Aug 15, 2018 21:13
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Their SSDs have retarded skulls on them don't they?
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VelociBacon posted:Their SSDs have retarded skulls on them don't they? some of their NUCs have the skulls too
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ufarn posted:I wonder how many XTREME GAMING designers Intel have on hand to design their consumer GPUs; be fun to see a style stand out by being extremely muted. Intel - "extremely muted" 
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havenwaters posted:some of their NUCs have the skulls too C’mon, it’s called Skull Canyon, they are required by law.
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Aug 15, 2018 21:25
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Are you people really surprised? They've been doing it since skull trail at least
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https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1029833564484001802 The implication is that Nvidia is already preparing product pages for a 2080ti 
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If they're releasing the 2080 Ti at the same time, that probably presages it being more expensive than previously (the x80 normally declines over time, and the x80 Ti slots in near its original price). The rumors about "2080 is going to be $1000!" sound absurd but I could believe $500-600 for the 2080 and $800-900 for the 2080 Ti, maybe up to $1000 for the Ti in an extreme case. Although I suppose it depends on if the 2080 is really a GT302 cutdown or not. (I still see people making the "NVIDIA has so many 1080s that they're going to price the 2080 crazy high in order to keep you buying up their 10-series cards!" which sounds kinda nuts, but I guess we'll see. If nothing else, B-stock 1080s are so cheap right now that the 2060 may not be much of a value-add especially if it doesn't have raytracing...)
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I bet the 2080ti is just replacing the Titan in product lineup
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Also here's some practical raytracing benchmarks from EA SEED, which are a bit more credible than Nvidia's own cherry picked numbers: https://twitter.com/ZigguratVertigo/status/1029840012743864321 Turing is really good at shooting rays 
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calusari posted:Larrabee 2: Electric Boogaloo It'll work this time you guys, not like the last time we tried making a GPU, or the last time before that, or that other last time, or
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future ghost posted:It'll work this time you guys, not like the last time we tried making a GPU, or the last time before that, or that other last time, or They make more GPUs for PCs today than everybody else combined, to be fair.
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True, I should have specified high-performance GPU. As long as they don't call it anything similar to XGI or Volari..
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If EVGA brings out a hybrid xx80ti day 1 I'm going to poo poo myself and preorder it. Yes I know I can buy a kit with the cooler but I like having it prepackaged like that and the easy RMA if anything happens.
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