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Indiana_Krom
Jun 18, 2007
Net Slacker

LRADIKAL posted:

Please share window location fixes... Dual monitor?
Go into your monitors settings and make sure HDMI/DisplayPort/Etc "deep sleep" or "power saver" modes are disabled. Windows gets pissed and re-arranges everything when the monitor goes to sleep because those modes make the graphics card think the display was physically disconnected instead of just off/sleeping.


Red_Fred posted:

Anyway for the 2070 power connections is it fine to use the same cable for both 8 and 6 pin plug? Or should I run a new cable for one of them from my psi?
Technically you aren't supposed to do that, but in reality the majority of Nvidia cards never draw more power than can be delivered by a single 8 pin plug, so go for it. (A 8 pin plug is good for 150w, a 6 pin is good for 75w, and the PCIe slot itself can deliver another 75w. The RTX 2070 spec has a TDP of 175w, which means the slot and an 8 pin alone can do it with 50w to spare.)

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Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

LRADIKAL posted:

Please share window location fixes... Dual monitor?

I use actual multiple monitors. It saves all my locations and does a lot of other useful stuff.

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

LRADIKAL posted:

Please share window location fixes... Dual monitor?

Yeah this is with 2 DP monitors. You'll have to google some specifics but there's some registry entries for like the fake default monitor if windows doesn't detect any monitors. For whatever reason sometimes it is set to like 1024x768 and apparently when the DP monitors go to sleep they are gone completely and when they wake windows briefly sees them as a while new monitor. So since all my monitors are DP it thinks there are no monitors for a sec. Anyway, I set it to the total resolution of all my monitors added together and I think that's what fixed it but I did basically throw all the fixes at it since it was driving me nuts.

Admiral Joeslop
Jul 8, 2010




craig588 posted:

Not if you get them used. Dell Ultrasharps are the king of the year old used 50 dollar monitor segment, I have...5 of them and for whatever reason people never ship them with cables. Anytime anyone asks for a monitor recommendation and doesn't really have a use in mind I always go to used Ultrasharp, cheap, looks great, not really missing anything if you're not trying to get a 120+ Hz monitor, and the size is perfect. I have them from everywhere from 2010 to 2015 and in terms of the screen they all look great.

Where are you finding these for $50 or does that not include shipping?

Edit: On a side note, make sure you use DDU for a clean driver install. Neither of my other two monitors would work until I did so, and this old HP 2311x is still throwing fits while trying to use HDMI instead of DVI.

Admiral Joeslop fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Mar 23, 2019

craig588
Nov 19, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
I would get them from moving or shutting down businesses. They'd normally sell a whole bunch of stuff when they were leaving the building, most of it useless to me, but chairs and monitors are great used. Herman Miller Aeron? 130 dollars used. It was cheap enough that it wasn't a big deal I didn't like the mesh and I bought a used Steelcase Crew for 20 dollars that I like a lot more. The only advice I think I can give is some auctions end up with rich people who will pay basically normal used prices for stuff and it's better to skip buying if things get expensive. Towns I've lived in have taken out newspaper ads for when an auction is coming up, check them out and see if your region sells things used for reasonable prices.

WithoutTheFezOn
Aug 28, 2005
Oh no
Hey guys, I haven’t built a computer in about six years (as you’ll soon see) and was wondering if you all could tell me if this is a good idea, and if it’ll work.

I want to upgrade the 560ti card mostly because not a whole lot of games will run with only 1GB of VRAM any more. I’d like to do it as easily and cheaply as possible. I’d also like to buy from Amazon to burn up some gift card balance. I was looking at 1050ti cards and realized that some RX 580s were close to the same price and appear to be noticeably more powerful which should help longevity (I mean, I'm mostly fine with a 560ti even today). I'd like to stay around or below $200. I’m wondering if that’s a bad idea, assuming it’ll work.

The motherboard is an MSI B85M-P33 which says it has a Gen 3 PCI-E x16 slot, so that should be ok, right?

The power supply is a Corsair 550-VX which is obviously 550W and the sticker says the 12V rail supplies up to 41 amps. It also has a 6-pin power plug and a 6+2 pin power plug. I assume the 6+2 will fulfill the requirements of the new video cards 8-pin plug, but thought I’d ask if I needed to also buy a 6 to 8 pin adapter cable (or possibly a new power supply).

So anyway, doable? Terrible idea? Any brands to stay away from (at a glance it looks like options are mostly Asus, XFX, and Sapphire)? Also what’s the relative importance of 8GB vs 4 GB? This’ll be 1080 resolution.

K8.0
Feb 26, 2004

Her Majesty's 56th Regiment of Foot
Nothing wrong with an RX 580. Also nothing wrong with used GPUs, especially used Nvidia GPUs. Modern Nvidia GPUs are incredibly resilient and will last way longer than anyone sane will ever want to use them.

WithoutTheFezOn
Aug 28, 2005
Oh no
Ok, good to know. But what about the practical part — will a RX 580 work with my current motherboard and power supply?

K8.0
Feb 26, 2004

Her Majesty's 56th Regiment of Foot
Yeah those aren't going to be problems.

LRADIKAL
Jun 10, 2001

Fun Shoe
If the power supply is 5+ years old, it would be a reasonable move to get a new one...

Something like this will be pretty cheap and decent.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tc3RsY/seasonic-power-supply-ss620gm2

WithoutTheFezOn
Aug 28, 2005
Oh no
Hmm, got a recommendation of a decent inexpensive PSU to match that card on Amazon?

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

WithoutTheFezOn posted:

Hmm, got a recommendation of a decent inexpensive PSU to match that card on Amazon?

EVGA PSUs are great, 7 year warranty too!

Big fan of the Supernova G3 Gold series: https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Supernova-Modular-Warranty-220-G3-0650-Y1/dp/B01LYGFRL6/

LRADIKAL
Jun 10, 2001

Fun Shoe
The 550 watt one is more than sufficient as well. Donate the other 10$ to lowtax!

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
At under 750W, the Seasonic Focus Plus units are better recommendations simply because the 650W G3s have limited expansion options/outlets.

Above 750W, the G1+ and G3s get their value back.

WithoutTheFezOn
Aug 28, 2005
Oh no
Ok thanks for the help, guys. I appreciate it.

LuckyCat
Jul 26, 2007

Grimey Drawer
When it comes to the 1660 ti what is the difference between the 3-slot chubster and the 2 slot normal long one with 2 fans? If I have plenty of room in my case which one is better?

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

Mods change my name to 3 slot chubster pls tia

craig588
Nov 19, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo

iddqd posted:

When it comes to the 1660 ti what is the difference between the 3-slot chubster and the 2 slot normal long one with 2 fans? If I have plenty of room in my case which one is better?

The 3 slot one is quieter and maybe a fraction of a percent faster. If you have the space and there isn't a significant price difference I'd get the 3 slot one. Around me the 3 slot one is like 250 dollars more so it's right out. If I want a better cooler I'll spend 100 dollars and do it myself.

crazypenguin
Mar 9, 2005
nothing witty here, move along

WithoutTheFezOn posted:

I was looking at 1050ti cards and realized that some RX 580s were close to the same price and appear to be noticeably more powerful which should help longevity (I mean, I'm mostly fine with a 560ti even today). I'd like to stay around or below $200.

Do at least consider a plain 1660, they're $220, which is a bit over your budget, but well...

...it's what I decided I'll be upgrading my 560 Ti to shortly. Heh.

Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

craig588 posted:

The 3 slot one is quieter and maybe a fraction of a percent faster. If you have the space and there isn't a significant price difference I'd get the 3 slot one. Around me the 3 slot one is like 250 dollars more so it's right out. If I want a better cooler I'll spend 100 dollars and do it myself.

He's talking about the short version from EVGA I think (the 'chubster'). That's one of the cheaper 1660's, it has one fan.

Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."
Speaking of which, how are people's experiences with Gigabyte RMA's? My 1660ti Windforce (2 fan, 2 slot) is now rattling when the fan is between 80-95%, which it is during most gaming, and it's only getting worse. Anyone sent a GPU back, how long did the process take?

Edit: N/M I'm still within Neweggs return window

Happy_Misanthrope fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Mar 24, 2019

craig588
Nov 19, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
I know this doesn't mean what it looks like but I enjoyed Nvidia supporting cold drugs with this bug fix in their newest driver release "Graphics card rises about 20 degrees Celsius when running NVLINK command to enable TCC mode." 419.67 released on 25 March 2019 https://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/145534

TacticalHoodie
May 7, 2007

Happy_Misanthrope posted:

Speaking of which, how are people's experiences with Gigabyte RMA's? My 1660ti Windforce (2 fan, 2 slot) is now rattling when the fan is between 80-95%, which it is during most gaming, and it's only getting worse. Anyone sent a GPU back, how long did the process take?

Edit: N/M I'm still within Neweggs return window

You don't have to experience the nightmare hellscape that is Gigabyte's RMA support.

Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

Whiskey A Go Go! posted:

You don't have to experience the nightmare hellscape that is Gigabyte's RMA support.

Yikes, good to know with future purchases at least then

Laslow
Jul 18, 2007
Is there any good option for 4K60 Ultra that isn’t $1000 yet?

I’m on a 1200p monitor with a GTX 970, and there’s no compelling upgrades for that display. Getting 60 FPS on Far Cry New Dawn with the options set somewhere between High and Ultra.

But I’ve got a nice 4K TV and I’d like to play games on it in native resolution, but if I’m looking at over a grand for a set it and forget it GPU solution for 4K, I might be better off upgrading my Xeon E3 V3 and C226 motherboard to something more modern, like Zen 2 and hanging back til 4K GPU’s are less expensive.

craig588
Nov 19, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
It depends on what you want to play and how much tweaking you want to do. I had a 4K monitor with a 680 and performance wasn't terrible with the games I ran. If you want to max out everything and not have to know anything, nope.

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.

I got a used 1080 Ti from Craigslist for 500 bucks and it's running my 4k monitor on ultra settings with no noticeable issues.

K8.0
Feb 26, 2004

Her Majesty's 56th Regiment of Foot
It's worth noting that 4k60 is absolutely pointless for gaming and not a goal worth chasing. Everything is skipping such enormous numbers of pixels every frame that there's no reason for them to exist. Something that takes a second to cross the screen is skipping 64 pixels per frame, it's absurd.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
yeah except when you have a 49" 4k screen, then everything makes sense

craig588
Nov 19, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
I had that Asus PQ321, one of the first consumer 4K screens. I returned it because the implementation at the time was hacky, games would get stuck in a box in the corner. Looking good is a reason to get a good 4K monitor beyond seeing better for competitive stuff. The first thing I played was Deus Ex and it was great. I don't play competitive games at all, the closest might be Team Fortress 2, but I only play on casual servers where no one really cares about winning. (And it's funny when a serious player joins and gets mad no one is playing right)

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

Happy_Misanthrope posted:

Yikes, good to know with future purchases at least then

FWIW, people say this about all three of the big motherboard makers. I’ve had good experience with MSI (could even get a real person on the phone quickly, who told me was replacement was coming from the factory and that was why it was taking so long) and yet I’ve heard “this was horrible never buying from them again” feedback about them, too.

EVGA is kind of the exception (for Americans, anyhow) because they’re a California-based company with offices in Asia and not the other way around.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
My only advice with MSI is that if you need to RMA a newly-released GPU from them (as in, one that's been out less than 3-6 months), just return it to the store if you can since they often won't have the stock to honor the RMA, and there's a chance they might try to give you some spiel about it having "depreciated" so they won't reimburse you your purchase price. At least, that's what they did when my 970 had issues in its first month.

Also, resist the temptation to buy "limited editions" from them for the same reason.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


I wonder if there's an updated list of hardware failure rates by company.

It's anecdotal but the only card I ever had fail was msi. But that's probably my fault for passive cooling it.

craig588
Nov 19, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
I had better support from Asus by getting a guy who spoke Taiwanese to translate messages in his spare time than trying to use their English support system.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

I wonder if there's an updated list of hardware failure rates by company.

It's anecdotal but the only card I ever had fail was msi. But that's probably my fault for passive cooling it.

The first cards out are typically 100% reference designs, so you can pretty much buy from anyone and you're still playing the lottery on whether or not you get a lemon. The only companies (for nVidia cards) you generally need to watch out for are ZOTAC's low/mid-range custom cards that come out after the reference designs, and follow-up "revisions" to Gigabyte cards.

Aside from that you just have to take into consideration the customer service experience, where (for nVidia cards) EVGA is typically #1 and everyone else is honorable mention. ZOTAC also gets lower marks here simply because they have no developed RMA backbone in North America - all RMAs are sent to Taiwan (or Macau, I forget which). This is why ZOTAC cards are usually the cheapest options. ASUS, Gigabyte, and MSI are OEMs in addition to card sellers, so they have to have a more developed back end.

Geemer
Nov 4, 2010



craig588 posted:

I had better support from Asus by getting a guy who spoke Taiwanese to translate messages in his spare time than trying to use their English support system.

I once emailed Asus a question about my motherboard. It took me 4 days to notice the reply because the dude's name was Bingo Wang and it got caught in my spam filter.
Very friendly and gave me the right advice, left him top marks on the satisfaction survey.

Other than that, I just make warranty the seller's problem because I'm filthy Euro trash with socialist consumer protection laws.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe
ASUS 2080(?) for $510.

Why the question mark? Pics and technical details say 2070 while the title and description say 2080. It's Amazon so if you get a 2070 you can just return it for a full refund.

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

Also "usually ships within 1-3 months"

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

Stickman posted:

Also "usually ships within 1-3 months"

Worth the wait if I actually get a 2080 for that price. I don't think I will, but dumber poo poo has happened.

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Mindblast
Jun 28, 2006

Moving at the speed of death.


Heck for that price you could get a decent aftermarket cooler and still be way ahead of the regular price.

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