|
Statutory Ape posted:i feel bad because most of the, i guess, victims of this, are older people i've talked to that aside from wanting a nice picture thought they were going to get something they could actually use for a long time. Yeah, it's a complete scam. With most devices I feel taking a "jack of all trades, master of none" view is best, and rather than trying to have one thing that does a lot of things poorly it's better to have several things that do one thing well.
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2020 21:28
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 23, 2024 10:47 |
|
|
Statutory Ape posted:it was sad to see people give feedback that their tv basically stopped doing the basic things they wanted I have a Samsung bluray player/surround sound system. It never got updates to support modern* bluray DRM poo poo. Within a year and a half of its release, its primary function was obsolete. Now it's lingering around for the surround sound function while a slightly less obsolete LG bluray player sits on top of it. *8~9 years ago.
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2020 21:47
|
|
|
Ladies and gentlegoons of the jury, I rest my case. Oh, and lest I forget, WHO THE gently caress SHIPS A DEVICE WITH ONLY WIFI-N IN 2020?! Bring on the loving gigantic OLED monitors. What's worse is that even Vizio, a brand that basically made their name on dumb TVs that they couldn't call TVs because they didn't have tuners in them and had to call them "displays" instead, doesn't have a single dumb model. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Jul 29, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 04:15
|
|
|
SwissArmyDruid posted:Ladies and gentlegoons of the jury, I rest my case. It's literally cheaper to make a smart TV than a dumb TV. The parts to run the "smart" system aren't any more expensive than their "dumb" equivalents. The TV manufacturer can sell ad space on the smart version. It'd be nice if you could pay a bit of extra money for a no-ads version, but that's not what the market wants, I guess.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 04:22
|
|
|
Do people "jailbreak" tvs?
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 04:27
|
|
|
As I said before, it's not about cost. It's about ongoing revenue streams from datamining you. Yes, I have a pihole. Yes, I VPN all my traffic anyways. No, I don't want to have to do Android updates to my TV.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 04:28
|
|
|
im the power outage that bricks your tv during a firmware update
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 04:33
|
|
|
Space Gopher posted:It'd be nice if you could pay a bit of extra money for a no-ads version, but that's not what the market wants, I guess.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 04:33
|
|
|
Just don't ever connect your Smart TV to the internet. Boom, dumb TV. And none of the smart TV features native, but a. if you're reading this you have plenty of ways to access those things, and b. after reading this thread I'm pretty sure its not worth it anyways.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 04:39
|
|
|
There was a time that TVs were jumping on any nearby open wifi if you didn’t put them on a network explicitly, so even “just don’t connect wifi” isn’t or wasn’t always sufficient to avoid the attack surface.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 04:41
|
|
|
Some Goon posted:Just don't ever connect your Smart TV to the internet. Boom, dumb TV. And none of the smart TV features native, but a. if you're reading this you have plenty of ways to access those things, and b. after reading this thread I'm pretty sure its not worth it anyways. I've heard that some TVs do not even work at all (as in the initial setup) until you connect them to the internet. I have no idea if they do after the initial setup if you disconnect them though (or change the wifi password). I have a dumb TV right now, 10-ish years old, still working and no plan to ever change it. I will have to, at some point of course, but I wouldn't mind for that to be 50 years from now. My grandparents replaced the TV that they bought in 1950 in 1995. And the only reason they did so was because the local electrician couldn't find lamps anymore for it. I'd take that 1950 TV in a heartbeat over a new smart one. It took 30 minutes for the lamps to warm up enough for picture to come up, but it would be still definitely worth it.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 04:57
|
|
|
I want a 4K HDR TV to replace our ~8 year old, but man, I hate all this smart TV poo poo and might just wait until it dies and don't have a choice. e: Came across this guys video, seemed somewhat informative https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntosec0KRXw slidebite fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Jul 29, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 05:09
|
|
|
Maybe I have been incredibly lucky, but I never had any complaints with my previous Samsung or LG smart TVs when I used the native apps. I always thought the lovely smart TVs were always the no-name brands that offered a big screen for a low price (and a lot of crappy performance)?
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 06:46
|
|
|
slidebite posted:I want a 4K HDR TV to replace our ~8 year old, but man, I hate all this smart TV poo poo and might just wait until it dies and don't have a choice. What a strange hill to die on when you can just not connect it to the internet.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 07:03
|
|
|
I like how RTINGS review 'Smart Features' with one of the criteria being just 'Ad-Free' and the majority just have a 0/10.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 08:04
|
|
|
I just didn’t hook my TV to the internet, and bought an Apple TV to replace the clients it shipped with. And then never had to have passionate opinions about TV software. (I get to have passionate opinions about remotes instead.)
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 09:28
|
|
|
SwissArmyDruid posted:I want one of these monster displays, but for a very different reason. For years I have railed against every single loving "smart" tvs that are absolute rear end and never provisioned with enough processing power or enough RAM with a GUI that responds like molasses while datamining the crap out of you and shoving advertisements in your face. Just buy a tv and never connect it to your network. I don't like all the smart shite either, but it has helped to drop prices, which is fine with me
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 09:45
|
|
|
My neighbors bought a "Smart TV" that wouldn't let you switch sources till it was connected to the wifi.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 11:53
|
|
|
Taima posted:I wonder if the text scaling issues depend on your exact scale percentage. I run MacOS for work and have a Win10 pc for gaming, which are both connected to a single thunderbolt/DP4 monitor that I can easily switch back and forth. Due to that I'm always switching between the two environments, making it super easy to compare. I use 125% scaling for a 27" 4k screen on windows 10 and find it perfectly fine. There used to be a few holdout specific programs that were lovely, but it's been a few years since I can even remember any of those coming up in normal use.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 12:11
|
|
|
Craptacular! posted:I just didn’t hook my TV to the internet, and bought an Apple TV to replace the clients it shipped with. And then never had to have passionate opinions about TV software. (I get to have passionate opinions about remotes instead.) Same. Also to LG tv owners; you can change your cursor to a ‘bean bird’ that will blush when you press/hold down the enter button or have a face with sweat drop when you scroll through the menu.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 13:19
|
|
|
Craptacular! posted:I just didn’t hook my TV to the internet, and bought an Apple TV to replace the clients it shipped with. And then never had to have passionate opinions about TV software. (I get to have passionate opinions about remotes instead.) Ever since my girlfriend decided to hook up her Apple TV to the TV in our bedroom because she lost the remote for the TV, I too now have passionate opinions about remotes. And it is this: gently caress you, Apple, and your lovely loving stupid remote that tries to be super fancy and instead ends up being inferior in pretty much every way to a simple d-pad / arrow buttons. Also gently caress you, Apple, for making a product that can't put out a reliable CEC "off" signal and results in the TV not turning off half the time, forcing us to turn the Apple TV back on just to turn it off again, sometimes several times, before it finally bothers to tell the TV that it's time to turn off. I am now scouring eBay for a replacement TV remote, because gently caress that stupid box.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 17:29
|
|
|
Hey man just to make sure, you know that iphones control the Apple TV right? It's actually pretty sweet because anyone in the house on the wifi with an iphone has a remote right in their pocket. We haven't used our apple TV remote in months (and I agree it's poo poo for like 4 different big reasons). As for CEC, it can be fussy but I think it depends a lot on the specific set because it works fine on our living room TV where it's setup. I can see that being pretty infuriating though... for sure. Btw it looks like there are Android alternatives for the ATV remote as well though I can't speak to their efficacy or anything. Taima fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Jul 29, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 17:41
|
|
|
It's off topic but how does that remote even work? I went looking at the apple TV but when I saw no dpad on the remote I just got puzzled and closed the browser.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 17:43
|
|
|
Yeah, but only she has an iPhone, and always is the one to fall asleep first, so I'd have to wake her back up to unlock her phone to turn the TV off...and the only reason it's on in the first place is to help her get to sleep, so that's unfortunately not much of an option for us. So I'm gonna spend $40 to buy a replacement remote and that'll be the end of it. CFox posted:It's off topic but how does that remote even work? I went looking at the apple TV but when I saw no dpad on the remote I just got puzzled and closed the browser. The top (black) portion of it is touch-sensitive. So like a track-pad, more or less. The problem is it's not terribly precise (not sure if it's the hardware itself, or a consequence of one-handed operation), and while almost every UI element is designed for cardinal directions, it likes to pick up stuff as diagonals, resulting in erratic movement. It also does "acceleration" where if you move your finger quickly in a direction, it'll try to scroll faster. Which sounds like a good idea, except in practice it's far too sensitive, so you end up having to move in tiny repeated single movements because anything more than that sends you zooming past whatever you wanted. It's pretty much one of those ideas that sounds great on paper, but in practice is just frustrating to actually use. DrDork fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Jul 29, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 17:44
|
|
|
DrDork posted:Yeah, but only she has an iPhone, and always is the one to fall asleep first, so I'd have to wake her back up to unlock her phone to turn the TV off...and the only reason it's on in the first place is to help her get to sleep, so that's unfortunately not much of an option for us. You could see about the Android apps, but just FYI you absolutely don't need to wake her up. You don't need to unlock an iphone to use it as a remote. Just swipe down from the top right and click the remote button, no unlock required. CFox posted:It's off topic but how does that remote even work? I went looking at the apple TV but when I saw no dpad on the remote I just got puzzled and closed the browser. It's a touch pad on the top with a click under it. Kinda cool in concept, and can be nice for quick rewind/FF, but ultimately I recommend just throwing that poo poo in a junk drawer and using your phone.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 17:45
|
|
|
Taima posted:You could see about the Android apps, but just FYI you absolutely don't need to wake her up. You don't need to unlock an iphone to use it as a remote. Just swipe down from the top right and click the remote button, no unlock required. For normal people you're probably right. But she's a security professional so you can't do anything with her phone without unlocking it, and she's absolutely not going to change that to save me $40.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 17:48
|
|
|
Oh weird, fair enough I guess. There's nothing you can do to the phone from that screen whatsoever from a security perspective. That's pretty much the whole point of it being available without unlock. I get your conundrum though. Best of luck.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 17:53
|
|
|
1st world problems ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 17:56
|
|
|
CFox posted:It's off topic but how does that remote even work? I went looking at the apple TV but when I saw no dpad on the remote I just got puzzled and closed the browser. It’s poo poo and hilarious that Apple’s ~~designed in Cupertino~~ remote gets dunked on by a lovely TCL remote. I’ve got an iPhone and they’re good enough, but the Apple TV platform is hot trash.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 17:59
|
|
|
The USB connector of TV remotes *picks it up in dark, tries to start using it* ah, gently caress *turns it around*
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 18:20
|
|
|
tehinternet posted:It’s poo poo and hilarious that Apple’s ~~designed in Cupertino~~ remote gets dunked on by a lovely TCL remote. The remote definitely sucks but the interface is good, and the box is fast, and the screen savers are dope 
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 18:32
|
|
|
Taima posted:the screen savers are dope I'll give it that. Especially at 4k they're mesmerizing.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 18:48
|
|
|
Taima posted:and the screen savers are dope Okay, you got me on that I think I watched them for legit 20 minutes one day
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 19:49
|
|
|
nah, I'm just dumb I think
Ofecks fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Jul 29, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2020 22:35
|
|
|
Taima posted:The remote definitely sucks but the interface is good, and the box is fast, and the screen savers are dope Theres Windows and MacOS versions of the screensaver available (though the Windows one is a little out of date) https://github.com/cDima/Aerial/ https://github.com/JohnCoates/Aerial
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2020 01:34
|
|
|
I just wish they listed the locations for everything like Microsoft does with the Win10 lockscreen stuff. Some of those places look amazing and I want to know where they are!
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2020 03:28
|
|
|
The Last Poet posted:Theres Windows and MacOS versions of the screensaver available (though the Windows one is a little out of date) Oh you bet your rear end I use those as well  it’s kind of amazing that it exists for windows.DrDork posted:I just wish they listed the locations for everything like Microsoft does with the Win10 lockscreen stuff. Some of those places look amazing and I want to know where they are! Don’t they? I might be misremembering. But they definitely list the location for most. You need to click a button when the given screen saver is displaying, but i forget which. It’s not like MS (we have a lenovo smart display in the kitchen, best ever) where it shows with no input.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2020 04:27
|
|
|
I’m in the market for a gaming laptop, looking around the $1,000-1,300 USD price point. I’m weighing some laptops on the lower end of that price point that have a GeForce GTX 1660ti, against a few on the higher end that have RTX 2060. Assuming everything else is equal, is the 2060 worth an extra $300? I’ve heard mixed reviews. $1,000 option https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1542059-REG/msi_gf65_thin_9sd_252_gf65_i7_9750h.html vs. $1,300 option https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1543440-REG/lenovo_81y60004us_15_6_legion_5_gaming.html
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2020 04:27
|
|
|
SamEyeAm posted:I’m in the market for a gaming laptop, looking around the $1,000-1,300 USD price point. I’m weighing some laptops on the lower end of that price point that have a GeForce GTX 1660ti, against a few on the higher end that have RTX 2060. Assuming everything else is equal, is the 2060 worth an extra $300? I’ve heard mixed reviews. If you have access to an .edu email: https://techbargains.com/deals/asus-tuf-gaming-laptop If you don't, it's +$100, I think. Six months ago I'd have argued DLSS  weren't worth it. Now, though? Yes, yes they are.At the high end of your budget, here's an MSI with a 2070, 10750H (6c12t), 16GB RAM, and 512GB NVMe drive: https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Leopard-10SFK-062-i7-10750H-RTX2070/dp/B085B3GFRL I'm kinda anti-Lenovo because of potential  spyware, either software or hardware-based.
BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Jul 30, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2020 04:30
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 23, 2024 10:47 |
|
|
I can tell you with certainty those Lenovo hinges have a very finite life to them.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2020 05:30
|
|
