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I've already seen people dumping 780ti's for ~$400 on craigslist. News spreads fast I guess. At those prices looks like I will be SLI'ing after all and  'ing at my space heater
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Don Lapre posted:looking forward to running a 980ti on a 300w power supply. I think you're overestimating Maxwell's efficiency a 512-bit GPU is still going to hit ~250 TDP @ 20nm (16nm is not happening because TSMC) and that's lower than it should be considering how Green team likes to fudge their TDP numbers.
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Khagan posted:I think you're overestimating Maxwell's efficiency a 512-bit GPU is still going to hit ~250 TDP @ 20nm (16nm is not happening because TSMC) and that's lower than it should be considering how Green team likes to fudge their TDP numbers. I wasn't being serious.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:I crammed a 7970 into a mITX box, then went smaller to a GTX 680, and intend to toss an 880 GTX into it next. Although that's with an ATX power supply. You can go even smaller with the SilverStone RAVEN and have a slightly larger but more customizable Alienware X51. It even has a similar PCIe riser card that allows the graphics card to lay flat with the motherboard. However, it requires a SFX power supply and the most powerful one currently available, which is also from SilverStone, is only rated at 450W and 37A on the +12V rail. It's just barely not enough for a GTX 770 which requires 42A. I actually just parted out a build with the Raven only to be disappointed to find out that I'd be limited to a GTX 760.
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^ You might be interested in these that are coming out soon, then. http://www.techpowerup.com/201609/silverstone-unveils-a-600w-fully-modular-sfx-power-supply.html http://www.techpowerup.com/202738/dirac-launches-tesla-cube-series-550w-and-650w-sfx-power-supplies.html
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Edward IV posted:It's just barely not enough for a GTX 770 which requires 42A. Thats recommended for the whole system. Valve shipped the steam boxes with titans and 780ti's using that 450w.
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Edward IV posted:Although that's with an ATX power supply. You can go even smaller with the SilverStone RAVEN and have a slightly larger but more customizable Alienware X51. It even has a similar PCIe riser card that allows the graphics card to lay flat with the motherboard. However, it requires a SFX power supply and the most powerful one currently available, which is also from SilverStone, is only rated at 450W and 37A on the +12V rail. It's just barely not enough for a GTX 770 which requires 42A. Silverstone has a 600w SFX PSU coming out any day now - it may even be out already.
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Also the GTX 800 series which will be out within a couple months should be somewhat of a step down in TDP. The 750ti white paper claims a 2x increase in performance/watt for Maxwell which when factoring in the performance increases would still be a significant reduction.
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I'm looking at a laptop (Sager NP3977) on XoticPC and was looking for feedback on the various GPU upgrades and their value for money/performance. So it comes with SLI GTX 860M; - $200 gets you a GTX 880M; - $250 gets you SLI GTX 870M; - $800 gets you SLI GTX 880M. Now I know the SLI 880Ms will be absolutely amazing, but are they $800 amazing? The benchmarks I've seen for games are impressive, even over a lone 880M. I might be able to afford that. Also getting the upgrade to the lone 880M nets you a 120Hz "MatteType" 72% NTSC Color Gamut Sager Screen. Not sure if that's much better than the standard screen though. Any advice is appreciated!
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Alan_Shore posted:I'm looking at a laptop (Sager NP3977) on XoticPC and was looking for feedback on the various GPU upgrades and their value for money/performance. Whenever a gaming laptop question comes out, the first thing to ask is always "do you really need a gaming laptop?".
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Palladium posted:Whenever a gaming laptop question comes out, the first thing to ask is always "do you really need a gaming laptop?". Well in this situation let's say "yes".
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Are you going to be living on a boat or oil rig? You're not going to get any sort of meaningful battery life out of it. The only reason you'd want a gaming laptop is if you're somewhere you can still plug it in, but are incredibly space constrained. You're going to hate moving it around if it's for work or something. You'd be better off getting a conventional laptop that only weighs a few pounds and a separate desktop to keep back home. They're all incredibly poor values from a price/performance perspective. A 880M performs in between a desktop 760 and 770, so you're paying around 600$ for a card that performs like a 300$ card. I'd go for a single 880m over any SLI setup because it's just easier in the long run. SLI inevitably will break on whatever game you were excited about playing and then you're stuck waiting a few weeks for new drivers. craig588 fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Aug 5, 2014 |
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Cool, thanks for your advice! Negotiating this maze of GPUs is never ending.
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Alan_Shore posted:Cool, thanks for your advice! Negotiating this maze of GPUs is never ending. I haven't followed the mobile GPU market for a long time, but the rule of thumb is the mobile version has only about 50% of performance compared to the desktop version sharing the same model number, and https://www.notebookcheck.net is your friend.
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1gnoirents posted:I didn't know you could SLI laptops You cant This is 2 videocards in one laptop.
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Well, you don't SLI the laptops, just the graphics cards.  E: ^^^ fuuuuuuuuck yyyyyyoooooooouuuuuuuIt's just multiple MXM slots.  Dual 7800 GTX Go on a motherboard for a 19" laptop. Factory Factory fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Aug 5, 2014 |
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Again repeating my recommendation for the Gigabyte P34G v2/XMG C404 laptop - pretty powerful (Maxwell 860m) and very light, I'm super happy with it. Of course, probably not the hefty gaming laptop beast you're looking for.
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Alan_Shore posted:Cool, thanks for your advice! Negotiating this maze of GPUs is never ending. Dont wanna poo poo up the GPU thread with it so come by the laptop thread if you want to discuss it more. There are quite a few gaming laptop(including Sagers from XoticPC) owners there and we'd be happy to address any concerns you have. The situation is not as dire as made out to be.
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craig588 posted:Are you going to be living on a boat or oil rig? You're not going to get any sort of meaningful battery life out of it. The only reason you'd want a gaming laptop is if you're somewhere you can still plug it in, but are incredibly space constrained. You're going to hate moving it around if it's for work or something. You'd be better off getting a conventional laptop that only weighs a few pounds and a separate desktop to keep back home. Edit: with that said, I bought a gaming laptop once so I can understand why a person would do such a thing. Rastor fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Aug 5, 2014 |
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go3 posted:Dont wanna poo poo up the GPU thread with it so come by the laptop thread if you want to discuss it more. There are quite a few gaming laptop(including Sagers from XoticPC) owners there and we'd be happy to address any concerns you have. The situation is not as dire as made out to be. I posted in there a few days ago but didn't get any reply. Most posts are about sensible portable Yogas and things. Tried to PM you but you can't accept. Would like to get some more advice, especially about Sagers. I might try again! Rastor posted:Even if you're really space constrained, personally I would just get or build a space constrained gaming system rather than a gaming laptop. Well I don't really have a home right now and move around a fair bit. Believe me I know how much cheaper and better it would be to have a mATX PC!
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Don Lapre posted:You cant Factory Factory posted:Well, you don't SLI the laptops, just the graphics cards. That looks... hot. It's good that's an option I suppose. I was always highly disappointed with gaming laptops anytime I saw or used one. I can see that being at least an option for performance. But wow, I get this feeling you could cook an egg on that
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1gnoirents posted:That looks... hot. My brand new laptop with a GT420M @ 35W can almost grill chicken at the exhaust vent in WoW...Now try a much more demanding game with those 2 at 100W each.
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Palladium posted:My brand new laptop with a GT420M @ 35W can almost grill chicken at the exhaust vent in WoW...Now try a much more demanding game with those 2 at 100W each. I think I'd rather not play games at that point lol.
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Palladium posted:My brand new laptop with a GT420M @ 35W can almost grill chicken at the exhaust vent in WoW... If I remember my time playing WoW correctly this sounds like a useful feature for a hardcore WoW enthusiast.
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Here's what the cooling system looks like for multiple 100W MXM modules:
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Factory Factory posted:Here's what the cooling system looks like for multiple 100W MXM modules: So that's how many BBQ chickens per minute?
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Factory Factory posted:Here's what the cooling system looks like for multiple 100W MXM modules:
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This is weird, all my research says that the latest gaming behemoths like Alienware 17s and 18s and Sagers are actually very cool and super quiet. Maybe they've come a long way in the past year?
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Alan_Shore posted:This is weird, all my research says that the latest gaming behemoths like Alienware 17s and 18s and Sagers are actually very cool and super quiet. Maybe they've come a long way in the past year?
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Asked in the parts thread, but I'd like to see what you all have to say, too. What the minimum recommended CPU for a R9 290 without a terrible bottleneck?
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Any Sandy Bridge or newer quad core i5. So the exact same answer you got.
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Factory Factory posted:Any Sandy Bridge or newer quad core i5. How bad is the bottleneck with an i3?
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It depends on whether the title you are playing bottlenecks on an i3 or not. Like I said in the parts-picking thread, a CPU is the bottleneck for more performance or it isn't. In most titles, it isn't. Whether the CPU is a bottleneck or not depends on 1) how many threads the software uses (i.e. how many cores it can take advantage of) and how well those threads are balanced, 2) the per-thread performance of the CPU (i.e. how fast an individual core is), and 3) what else, if anything, you have running besides the game (such as non-GPU video capture and transcoding). For example, StarCraft 2 is a game that uses two threads, so it can only take advantage of two CPU cores. A Core i3-4160, with two cores and fast per-core performance, will play the game as fast as a six-core i7-3960X (because only two cores can be used for the game's needs) and significantly faster than an FX-8350 (which will only use two of its eight cores, and those cores are significantly lower-performance than an Intel Haswell or Ivy Bridge core). Then you have a game like Battlefield 4, which can use many threads (and therefore many cores) without relying much on the per-thread performance of the CPU or having a high CPU load in general. An i3 will still run fine because it can do the work of four low-impact threads within its two cores without a problem. But then take a game like, I dunno, Watch Dogs? Highly threaded with a heavy CPU load, but not too dependent on per-core performance. You'll see a four-core Haswell butt heads with eight-core FX, six core Ivy Bridge-E pull away, and a Core i3 not doing so hot. All regardless of GPU. But Watch Dogs is an unoptimized piece of poo poo and you shouldn't feel bad for not maxing it out. Then take WoW - scales well up to four threads, but threads 1 and 2 do the bulk of the work, so per-core performance is important. Here the quad core Haswell will do best, the Core i3 will come in behind it, and the 8-core FX will fall behind. Factory Factory fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Aug 5, 2014 |
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Titles that were developed on PC first or exclusively (SC2, WoW) are better bets when it comes to scaling down to a dual core CPU, for console ports you might be better off going with more cores as both consoles use 8 core CPUs.
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Factory Factory posted:good stuff 290s are going for so cheap on ebay right now that they are in my budget, but a 4690k or so isn't. I've got some thinking and re-budgeting to do. Thanks for the explanation.
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El Kabong posted:290s are going for so cheap on ebay right now that they are in my budget, but a 4690k or so isn't. I've got some thinking and re-budgeting to do. If you can reach a Microcenter they have Pentium AEs with a mobo combo @ ~$100 as pretty nice stopgap solution.
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Speaking of R9 290's and Pentium AE's... you guys have been big fans of the poo poo I've sold before so I put both into a new build and I'm selling it: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3655765
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Alan_Shore posted:I posted in there a few days ago but didn't get any reply. Most posts are about sensible portable Yogas and things. Tried to PM you but you can't accept. Would like to get some more advice, especially about Sagers. I might try again! I found your post and replied
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