The Lord Bude posted:

oh. Oh dear. So what do mac ports of games use? metal? My dream of owning a mac and continuing to play video games is in tatters, although I suppose I could boot into windows.

ColHannibal posted:

Here's the worst part, when Nvidia developed Pascal they basically advanced GPU technology 5 years overnight. The 1080/titan is not fully leveraging that, they are sitting on the next generation as there is no point to releasing it now just waiting for AMD to try to complete. If AMD does take the dare and puts out a card a little bit faster than the 1080, they will immediately get crushed as Nvidia will open the flood gate on a GPU that will obsolete all the time and money AMD put into their new high end GPU.

penus penus penus posted:

The air at the end of the video seems to imply perhaps we should be making GPU purchases with a little morality in mind. Sorry, as the video has clearly shown, its too late for that, and preaching to the choir to buy the better value when again in the same video it is shown that is not and never will be enough to make a difference is also not going to help. Now that AMD has lost its technological edge as well its better value proposition you are not going to convince anybody to buy enough turds to save a company, because at the end of the day these are things to play video games with.

Subjunctive posted:

Why Metal then?

Malloc Voidstar posted:

ve.ga is down for me lol
How do I watch the AMD thing? Is it even today?
edit: oh, videos

EdEddnEddy posted:

^We get it, you hate new and fun things.

redeyes posted:

It's so odd. the Quantum Dot 49" 4k Monitor is utterly a perfect monitor except for HDMI 2.0 issues. I have no idea why it hasn't caught on more honestly. 4k, great color, off angle good, super low lag.

wolrah posted:

Titan ME

Lungboy posted:

A Chinese overclocker broke NDA. To my untrained eye those results are nothing to get too excited over, particularly if 480 prices drop when the 580 releases.

Paul MaudDib posted:

The thing is that the RX 480 has declined to way way under MSRP while the 580 is going to be launching back at MSRP again. They're good deals when they're 30% less than a GTX 1060 6 GB, but priced head to head against the GTX 1060 6 GB the RX 480 has little merit of its own.

So, if you can score one for ~$180 before stock dries up, RX 480, then I'm back to recommending the 1060 6 GB at the ~$250 price range. The RX 580 isn't really worth it at that price unless you're big into the "future proofing" argument (which is terrible with GPUs still improving significantly year-on-year) or unless you're super big into AOTS and Doom.

Paul MaudDib posted:

The 580 is only faster in DX12/Vulkan titles, and its lead there is usually fairly small. The 1060 6GB spanks it at DX11 titles pretty soundly.

That's kind of a weird thing to say given that I recommend the Ryzen 5 and the RX 480 - but I always do it based on price-to-performance. Again, effectively this is a $75 price increase for literally the exact same hardware. I don't understand why it's a shocker that if you increase the price of the hardware by 33% it's no longer a good deal?

redeyes posted:

As high as they go.

Dimi posted:

I'm just wondering how you got such low numbers on the 1070 Doom 1080p benchmark. I am constantly hitting the frame limit with mine on nightmare settings throughout the entire game. (yes i finished it lol).

W1zzard posted:

play it again to find a better test scene

redeyes posted:

I specifically picked a low performance area. It goes higher than that most of the time. loving site is full of poo poo.

Test System posted:

AMD: Catalyst 16.3.3 Beta
RX 580: 17.10.1030-B8-Apr10

orcane posted:

How does that work with modern games on mainstream video cards? And I don't mean this thread's moronic idea of mainstream = GTX 1070 and above.

1gnoirents posted:

That is more or less based on the fact that 970's were the absolute mainstream. The 1070 was very strong is sales but 1060's outpaced them fairly quickly over the months. I don't think that has much to do with pricing rather than the fact the mass majority of gpu's run 1080p screens though.

*discrete gpu anyway

Paul MaudDib posted:

The 970 in particular probably also benefited somewhat from being the official recommended (minimum) spec GPU for the Oculus Rift too. Even if people didn't actually buy one, plenty of people are dumb enough to try and "future proof" their GPU.


See, you say that, but there is a very significant tilt towards high-end hardware in the 10-series and even starting in the 900 series.

The best-selling 10-series card is the 1060, as you note - with 4.45% share. But, the 1070 and 1080 combined actually account for more sales total (3.26% + 1.61% = 4.87%).

Steam won't give you historical data but the 970 actually had massive sales for an x70 card, I doubt it actually sucked away a bunch of 960 sales because the 960 also has a massive presence. After the 980 Ti launch I remember NVIDIA was selling about 1 980 Ti for every 5 970s. Now the figure is 1 980 and 1 980 Ti for every 4 970s they sold - which is pretty considerable given the unprecedented sales of the 970.

Despite overall declining sales of PCs, the PC gaming market is going gangbusters, and is tilting more and more heavily towards high-end systems. I'm certainly not the first person to point this out either.

1gnoirents posted:

it IS skynet, what do you think shadowplay actually is

Paul MaudDib posted:

How do integrated GPUs have anything to do with the fact that high-end cards (1070 and 1080) are significantly outselling the 1060 this generation?

If you really want to get down to the computing platforms poor people use - it's overwhelmingly smartphones and tablets. I really don't see how this has anything to do with the original discussion though.

Paul MaudDib posted:

Most popular single card, yes, but overall the high-end cards are outselling it.

Even if you want to toss the 1050 and 1050 Ti into the low-end bucket - the 1070 and 1080 combined sell about 75% of the volume of the 1050/1050 Ti/1060 combined. That's pretty unprecedented for hardware in the $400-700 range.

Paul MaudDib posted:

No it's not. You better double-check your systems!

Paul MaudDib posted:

People who don't have any money to spend on hardware can more or less be disregarded by hardware companies, yeah, that's correct. This ain't a charity business. It's good that iGPUs are getting better but the reality is that hardware and software isn't specced around them.

Paul MaudDib posted:

I'm not sure why you have such a fixation on individual cards. You've defined the 1070 and above as quintessentially high-end cards because you think they're too expensive - and yet the "high-end" market as you've defined it is outselling EITHER the middle or the low-end markets, and is coming reasonably close to outselling them both combined.

Paul MaudDib posted:

(0.26 + 0.20) > 0.43.

You said the 750 Ti was "picking up at a rate greater than the 1070 and 1080 combined". It's not. Rates are a different thing from quantities. Quantities (here) are the integration of rates over time.

How were your calculus marks? Not good I'm guessing?

Paul MaudDib posted:

Deuce posted:

What exactly am I looking at

Raja posted:

It was running on Frontier Edition

Raja posted:

We’ll be showing Radeon RX Vega off at Computex, but it won't be on store shelves that week.

Raja posted:

Consumer RX will be much better optimized for all the top gaming titles and flavors of RX Vega will actually be faster than Frontier version!

Paul MaudDib posted:

Nope, Ethereum prices are up. AMD is clean out of 580s.

I wonder what their leadtime is on a production ramp?

repiv posted:

MSI marketing director: "I’ve seen the specs of Vega RX. It needs a drat lot of power."

Wirth1000 posted:

Hi, I work for MSI and I can confirm that the Vega cards will require a 24-pin connector and minimum 1200W dedicated power supply just for itself and submerged in a small aquarium filled with mineral oil.