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Geemer posted:I think my graphics card is croaking. I've got a HD 7870 (Pitcairn) that has been running at stock settings and has been pretty much rock solid since I got it about three and a half years ago. You can update your drivers for free in a few minutes. If it doesn't fix the problem, you can revert to old drivers without too much difficulty. All alternatives require additional effort and cash spent to exhaust.
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You could try removing the cooler, cleaning it, and reinstalling with fresh thermal paste. That may help, particularly if you have pets or if anyone smokes in the same room as the PC. You could also try baking the card. Sometimes it can keep a card alive for another month or so.
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I have one more thing to add to the terrible drivers discussion from a page or two back. AMD driver support does not go back very far. All cards 6000 series and older receive no more driver updates. Some 7000 and R-series cards (the VLIW-based low-end cards) are in the same boat. Basically, once an AMD graphics chip has been on the market for five years, users can go gently caress themselves, no matter how long ago AMD actually sold the chip. Maybe the 7850 (and better) cards will be supported longer than this because Polaris and Vega appear to be updated riffs on GCN. Nvidia driver support goes all the way back to their 8000 series cards. Ten years of graphics chips still receive somewhat regular updates. Maybe this doesn't matter to you since you trade GPUs for the newest and hottest every year or two. I buy a graphics card every 3-4 years and recycle old ones into HTPCs or a relatives' computers. AMD offers much less value if you plan to keep a graphics card in circulation for a long time. I built a gaming PC out of old parts for my nephew a few months ago. I wanted to play SUPERHOT (not a particularly demanding game) to make sure everything worked. Playing the game withe a Radeon 6850 delivered slide show performance; playing on a GTX 460 768MB (the weakest of several GTX 460 revisions) was completely playable. The Radeon card has raw specs (memory bandwidth, pixel/texel rate, GFLOPs, etc.) 30-70% better than the 460, but for some reason, possibly lack of ongoing driver support, the game ran like poo poo on the substantially more powerful AMD card. The AMD driver support problem gets a whole lot worse if the AMD's financials continue to deteriorate.
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Jun 17, 2016 20:15
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The AMD second hand market fire sales have begun. I bought three R9 270X cards for $140 this morning. Two are Gigabyte 4GB models and one is an Asus 2GB model. I will probably sell the 2GB card to someone in my friends/family and use the other two to experience Crossfire for myself before splitting them into a couple of older systems. Does anyone have experience with Crossfire and Steam streaming? I've heard endless complaining about latency with CF; I am curious if the additional processing (latency) needed for in home streaming makes the situation worse, or somehow improves it with the fps cap. It probably doesn't matter since the PC I would stream to is connected to a 720p (gasp!) plasma TV.
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Jun 18, 2016 21:07
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Paul MaudDib posted:It's a really bad time to buy a 290 since the RX 480 is going to be the same price as a used 290 but be faster and use less power (literally a die-shrunk 290X). Unless you absolutely must have it in the next two to four weeks. I got THREE cards for 140 total. I have intent to use them in Crossfire for any extended time, shits and giggles only. PBCrunch fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jun 18, 2016 |
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I really hope the RX480 performs the way the community is buzzing about and is available in reasonable quantities soon after launch. I listed on ebay: GTX 960 4GB in my main computer (sold for $160 after 20 minutes) Two R9 270X 4GB I just bought for $50 each (sold for $123 each after ten minutes) R9 270X 2GB I just bought for $40, expecting to get $100 GTX 680 I bought for $50 a couple months ago to dink around with gaming on my Linux home "server", expecting ~$100 HD 6850 I had before the GTX 960, expecting about $40 Two GT 730 cards I bought for $15 each, not sure what to expect on these I also listed my brother in law's GTX 960 2GB; I'm expecting about $125 for that card. I'm hoping the RX480 is in the ballpark of the R9 390. That Scottish fellow on YouTube (AdoredTV) seems to think that texture compression (the R9 390/X doesn't have any!) is going to make up a lot of the memory bandwidth difference between the 380 and the 390. I don't have any >1080p monitors, so the 480 should be a pretty solid card for my purposes.
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El Scotch posted:It's interesting seeing active comparisons and talk between two cards aimed at different parts of the market. The RX480 information is kind of sketchy, so it requires more analysis, and non-apples to apples comparison. It appears to be almost impossible to get a 1070 from a retailer at the moment. The 1070s that are trickling out from manufacturers are nowhere near the real MSRP ($380). For owners of 1080p monitors, the extra performance of the 1070 is unlikely to noticeably change the gaming experience. This might even be halfway true at 1440p. Note to self: never list an item on ebay with a "Best Offer" option unless you want your phone to chime constantly with people offering one third of the Buy It Now price.
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Jun 21, 2016 23:23
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bull3964 posted:Sony will has the ability to make or break VR. I was in the middle of typing up something to this effect. The mass market audience is going to experience "modern" VR through game consoles. If the experience is bad (low framerates, poor software, high nausea) people will be turned off on VR for a long time. Sony and MS also represent the best shot at production of large budget VR software. Penetration of PC VR hardware is low, so justifying big budget software to the platform is very risky. MS and Sony can afford to fund software development to get the ball rolling. Oculus is doing their thing to help sponsor content, but their tactics are seem to make PC gamers uneasy.
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Porn will also play a role in deciding if VR gets off the ground this time. Have MS or Sony said anything about potential usability of their VR hardware for adult content?
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I was planning on buying an RX 480 on day one. Someone local is selling a used MSI 980 Ti for $250. Should I just buy that instead? Edit: Contacting seller ASAP. Edit 2: Forget it, he won't let me see it run first. PBCrunch fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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Jun 24, 2016 20:42
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Has there been any sign of Nvidia relenting in their refusal to support the obviously-more-likely-to-gain-widespread-acceptance FreeSync technology? It seems like FreeSync could be awesome for HTPCs, both for in-home game streaming and watching content with frame rates that doesn't really match the monitor (all your 23.99 or whatever framerate movies would play correctly).
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Jun 25, 2016 15:38
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Of the AIB vendors that offer AMD graphics cards, is there one that is slightly better than the others? I know all the launch day RX480s will have reference coolers, but is there a vendor with a longer warranty, better RMA practices, or one that won't get butthurt if I remove the cooling solution (in order to use one of those Krakens or something)? My personal experience with Asus is that they are total assholes, will probably avoid their card if I can.
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Jun 26, 2016 21:11
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I don't supposed AMD has offered any information about how the various outputs can be used simultaneously. I ask because my old Radeon HD 6870 required a bunch of extra bits and pieces to get it to work with four DVI monitors.
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Jun 26, 2016 21:42
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OK, so every single review on any website or Youtube channel is performed using the 8GB card. Video memory consumes power. The performance level of the RX 480 may not necessarily justify 8GB VRAM. Could 4GB RX 480 cards avoid the PCIe slot power draw problems due to reduced memory power requirements? Would these cards perform even better than the 8GB RX 480 in the fps/$ metric? When are the RX 460 and RX 470 going to be released? I was under the impression that all three cards would launch simultaneously. I'm curious about how much performance is left on the table with the 4GB RX 470 ($149 for the 4GB card). If a $150 RX 470 with reduced power draw compared to RX 480 delivers performance within 10% of a GTX 970, Polaris starts looking better. Is a pair of R9 280X (Gigabyte brand, used with original packaging) for $175 a decent deal? I sold my GTX 960 in anticipation of buying a 4GB RX 480, but I don't think I want to buy a reference card. I'm limping along with two of my three monitors connected to ye olde GTX 470 right now. I was thinking I might buy the 280Xs, sell one, and use the other one until AIB 480s are available and/or concrete information about GTX 1060 is available.
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Jun 30, 2016 16:10
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HalloKitty posted:The 4GB cards run slower RAM. If there's anything the 480 needs, it's more help with performance, so I personally reckon it's only worth buying the 8GB card. It's not much of a price increase, and it's still under the cost of the 970, but with far more RAM to carry it for longer.
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Jun 30, 2016 16:20
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Would a GTX 1080 with its clock speed reduced by 50% give a reasonable prediction of GTX 1060 performance? Does the 1080 overclocking software allow for substantially decreased clock speed? When is RX 470 coming?
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The AMD fix will almost certainly be some kind of throttling. I have a feeling the throttling won't result in a loss of performance perceptible by humans, but will could appear up in benchmarking runs. Simple solution for AMD: Stall on the problem while the driver guys do their thing and get improved performance from the handful of games reviewers use as benchmarks (AMD has been pretty good at this in the past). Integrate "the fix" (thottling) into the new driver. The driver improvements cancel out the throttling, reviewers stay "happy," cards stop melting PCIe slots. Boom.
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So how long will it be before they have Radeon branded power supplies to go along with Radeon branded memory and Radeon branded SSDs?
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Keep in mind the core clock on Polaris is about 30% lower than Pascal. An overclock delta of 100 Mhz on Polaris requires an overclock delta of 130 Mhz on Pascal. Both chips are basically die shrinks with VR and memory bandwidth cheat codes. I think it is pretty obvious by now that AMDs architecture is more forward thinking than Nvidias (example: Nvidias half rear end hackjob implementation of asynch compute). When do "legitimate" news sites start reporting on 1060? Where is RX 470?
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Jul 7, 2016 13:33
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ZobarStyl posted:Practically every high end GPU before at least 2008 was a paper launch that trickled into the channel for months after release. At some point they stopped that poo poo and started having stock on the actual release date. This isn't the worst launch ever so much as a minor return to form. The problem is more that nV should know better, but most people looking to drop 800 dollars for the hottest tech are willing to overlook that. I remember picking a Diamond TNT2 up off the shelf (at Best Buy, yuck) a couple of days after reading the first batch of reviews on Anandtech and HardOCP. It hasn't always been this bad. Nvidia was the underdog at the time, so they had to put in some effort back then.
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Beautiful Ninja posted:Undervolting improving performance has been something that's discussed for the last week or so. Undervolting lowers the heat output so cards are able to hit their 1266 boost more consistently. Well, its really Global Foundries incompetence (which they retain from their days as part of AMD). The prevailing wisdom is that they were forced to pick a high voltage to salvage the substantial quantities that wouldn't work at the targeted frequency without higher voltage. They just decided to use the same voltage on all the chips. PBCrunch fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Jul 7, 2016 |
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No poo poo, why not just delay the 4GB card until sources of smaller capacity memory chips were available? I'm guessing this might have something to do with the rumors that the board partners are mad at AMD about low margins on RX 480 reference cards.
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Gonkish posted:The other frustrating thing about the 480 launch is that, while Nvidia did, you know, MARKETING and released information ahead of time to drum up hype... AMD was mute. Just mute. Look at the 1060: information both about performance (however skewed it might be) and, more importantly, AIB partners and their poo poo ready to go on launch day. AMD with the 480 is just an NDA and silence. gently caress. Just give us info. That, and the driver situation was probably a complete loving mess until just before launch day. Even on launch day, the card basically didn't work with GTA V.
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I can just about promise you is the graphics card. AMD isn't updating drivers for anything before GCN, so you're running game developer shader code, not gpu manufacturer optimized shader code. Plus that thing is pretty old. That cpu is old, but the big cache helps.
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Green Gloves posted:On that note EVGA 980 TI FTW is $322 + Tax. I just got mine for $352.00.
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Haquer posted:Why are you selling it for a worse card? If I buy it to sell it, that makes it okay. Just play along.
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If you don't like the window on your case, have out tinted dark or get a piece of contrasting opaque plexiglass or something.
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One would assume that game developers will keep the very popular GTX 970 in mind for the next couple of years. The "3GB 1060" really only has 512MB less than the 970. When can media outlets publish performance data on GTX 1060? When is RX 470 coming? RX 460?
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In my experience, GPUs fail much more frequently than CPUs and motherboards. Therefore, maintaining warranty status is important. Many graphics cards have warranty boys stickers on the heatsink screws, making re passing a warranty breaking procedure. When I pull the heatsink on older graphics cards the coolers tend to be stuck to the VRMs or other parts to some degree, which can be kind of scary.
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xthetenth posted:Do you know if broadwell-e scales as well as skylake with faster ram? If I were playing with his budget I'd be buying some lightning fast memory because it really makes a big difference on a skylake platform as your GPU gets to the top end. It seems unlikely since the X99 platform has quad channel memory with double the bandwidth of Z170 to start with.
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BurritoJustice posted:For reference, I don't think the addition of founders editions is at all a positive. The two tier MSRP system has caused prices to creep up. Getting a card for $30 over MSRP and calling it a steal is the new normal I'm guessing the board manufacturers absolutely love the Founder's Edition concept.
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Enigma posted:Just poor business. My laptop finally died, so I was all set to get an rx 480 for my first build, too. Now instead I'm trying to figure out which version of the 1060 to get, since I can't go until August without a computer (any suggestions would be very welcome!). You could just use the integrated graphics until the board you want is available, assuming you aren't building around x99 or AMD FX (lolololol).
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If Nvidia had any respect for their consumers they would have just left the MSRP out of their marketing materials entirely. It was to their benefit to have a bunch of FPS per dollar graphs and reviews based on a non-existent MSRP rather than a FE price that was significantly higher.
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Paul MaudDib posted:They might with the 490 or the flagship card but it doesn't make sense to have a dual-midrange card. Yeah if you want a dual GPU AMD card you can get that one with two Fury chips on it for $1500. $_$
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twxabfn posted:I finally got to install my 1070 last week and so far it's awesome, although one thing I've encountered is kind of weird.
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Beautiful Ninja posted:So the realization just hit that we have aftermarket 1060's out on the market, some even for MSRP. The RX 480 looks like it still won't see aftermarket cards for another 3 weeks or so. There hasn't even been any significant stock of reference RX 480's here in the US since launch on top of no aftermarket card.
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Gwaihir posted:The 1060 is the old GTX980, the 1070 is the 980ti. Both just with ~50w lower power usage. Both also look to gain about 15% performance from overclocking. The performance numbers I've been seeing look like the GTX 1060 is closer to an AIB GTX 970 (mild factory OC) than a GTX 980 in most games. Granted, all three cards are fairly close together, but the "1060 equals 980" mantra doesn't seem to be really accurate.
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How can AMD's marketing department be so clueless? GTX 1060 release day is the perfect time for "leaks" of RX 470 performance in DX12/Vulkan games (or TimeSpy) to come out. Just leak some info and get someone talking about price to performance and how nothing else is even close to RX 470 at $149. At the very least it forces Nvidia to confirm/deny the existence of the 3GB GTX 1060 (or 1050Ti or whatever they end up calling it), which could potentially reduce sales of 1060. The RX 480 is sold out pretty much everywhere. With RX 470 being limited to 4GB cards only, it isn't like RX 470 information will tank the sales of the higher end product. The only thing I can think of is that someone (AMD, board partners, retailers) has waaaaay too many old Rx3xx/Fury chips/cards on hand and is afraid that info about the new stuff will crush the value of the Rx3xx/Fury stuff. Nvidia clearly knows how to undermine the competitor's time in the limelight. They started dropping crumbs about GTX 1060 on RX 480 launch day. How hard is it to at least follow along with your competitors marketing actions?
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:I have to use DDU to update nvidia drivers because the Maxwell series has a rare but consistent hilarious multi-display bug that makes the drivers poo poo themselves when updating while using multi-monitor Larrymer posted:Never had this issue on my 750TI w/3 monitors. I have had a GTX 960 and GTX 980 Ti in my system (2 DisplayPort monitors and one HDMI monitor) that always fail driver updates through GFE. Driver updates by downloading and manually installing the driver seem to work OK though.
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