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This entire conversation is really dumb. FFXIII has a big problem and that problem is that it is not fun. The combat doesn't require enough skill to engage you and there's nothing else really to do besides combat and watching the story, which is itself a pain in the rear end to follow and annoyingly stuffed with cliches and twists and melodrama. That's all there is to it, really, anything else is just debating on flavors of badness or disagreeing (for some reason) and saying that somehow the combat was not dull and poorly paced. You know what a really fun Final Fantasy game was? Final Fantasy VIII. That game had crazy poo poo, you could fight T-rex monsters within the first five minutes, you got to storm a beach and run from giant robots, dismantle trains with button passcodes and sneak through security checkpoints, attempt an assassination and break the gently caress out of a prison that is also a drill. The whole time you can collect new super sweet summon monsters who you can then train like Pokemon to give you super sweet loving skills that can make you have 9999 HP or take next to no damage or absorb fire magic and hey, you know what, if you get bored of breaking apart every item into the game into magic spells to further augment your stats so you can kick massive rear end while going on yet another crazy mission in some far-off land then you know what you can loving do? That's right daddy-o, you can play motherfucking cards. That's right why don't you go right ahead and convert every monster into a playing card AND THEN PLAY THAT poo poo. Aw but you won't need to do that, you're better than that--you want the rare cards. Get them rare cards, all over the world, beat their owners and claim your prize and then at the end of the game you can turn those cards into NUCLEAR BOMBS why the gently caress aren't all of you playing Final Fantasy VIII right the gently caress now? What, the story's dumb? Who gives a gently caress you get to have a fistfight in freefall with a jetpack soldier and that's before you go to the invisible future city and summon the legions of Hell living on the god damned loving moon.
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Aug 4, 2013 20:41
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alcharagia posted:Mystic Quest? I change my post to this.
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Aug 4, 2013 20:52
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That loving Sned posted:There's no context for all the stuff that happens in VIII, it's just like a kid making up a story as they go along, or someone describing a dream. There's no reason why there's a flying university, they just wanted to have an impressive FMV. At least when you go into space in FFVII, there's a reason for it. To an extent, I don't see the problem with this. The thrust of what I was getting at was that in Final Fantasy VIII you *do* all of the things I described--you have an active role in almost all of them, and your involvement and skill matters in success. In FF13, every single important thing happens in a cutscene. Even the big boss fights with Barthandalus just sort of...end and then poo poo happens anyway. It's as if you weren't even there. In FF8, when you are having a sweet flying university versus flying military academy fight, yeah, it was for the sake of having a cool movie, but then you get to play it.
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Aug 4, 2013 21:12
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Looper posted:Huh, I guess we've found someone willing to champion X as much as Azure defends XIII! Ah, see, I'd argue that having Tidus die works for the plot, because he was the character most insistent upon not having sacrifice, not having people die--he's childish the whole story, and over the course of the pilgrimage he discards his childish aspects one by one. His ultimate acceptance of adulthood and responsibility lies in his silent, willing acceptance of his inevitable sacrifice. More importantly, it strikes a dramatic irony towards the theme of martyrdom, since the obvious martyr lives while the natural savior does not. That dramatic irony helps cement that the "cycle of death" still exists in Spira, even if Sin is gone, and there's a bunch of other kind of obvious bits of symbolism you could draw if you really wanted to. I don't have a strong opinion about X-2 in any great way, but I found it generally annoying. Maybe if it had actual women writing it or something, I'd buy the "girl power" Final Fantasy, but as is it is kind of a cheap excuse to have a bunch of girls running around in fetish wear. The battle system is a fine hot roaring engine of jungle love and I don't care what anybody says that kitten purrs. It's just surrounded by something truly outrageous. Truly truly truly outrageous.
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Aug 5, 2013 05:45
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Krad posted:Then again, they did reuse Garland and the four fiends for IX, although they had plenty of differences. I'd be sort of okay if they do the same in XV, that is, make that Etro completely different from the original one. Etro is never mentioned by name in FF13. I believe she may be referred to by name somewhere near the end of 13-2.
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Aug 5, 2013 16:23
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fronz posted:Actually that ending ruled, and I would have been completely fine with it - even more fine than otherwise - if it was the last sequel in that mythology. Everyone dies, the bad guy wins? I'm totally down for that. I don't know, I didn't really feel like the ending was particularly mythic--honestly, the whole thing felt utterly disappointing. This sluggish melodrama took twenty hours to even go anywhere and it all concludes with a big gently caress you, girl dies, cliffhanger bullshit, listen to j-pop and buy the DLC you loving worms. It just felt like a final, ultimate dickslap at the end of yet another deep, nostalgia-mining money pit from Square-Enix. The entire game is just one giant money-making scam.
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Aug 5, 2013 18:41
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Sort of in 12 too, and the one in 2 didn't invent anything, he's just an Airship driver. And if we're really splitting hairs 10's cid just salvages tech. No way, Cid 12 was the primary mastermind behind all the WMD's at the core of the game's plot. He was the bad guys' head researcher.
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Aug 5, 2013 19:44
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So, how about that FFXIV? Is that out yet are people actually playing that yet? Is it any good c'mon let's maybe not talk about loving romhacks please. I thought FFXI was very pretty and also incredibly unfuckingfun to play, I hated leveling down and the combat was boring. Is there any reason for me to check out the PS3 version of FFXIV?
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Aug 7, 2013 16:19
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I always took it as an aspect of concern from Edgar as well as a sort of gob-smacked reaction to Relm being...well, Relm. He's like "you're how old? And you're running around killing monsters and poo poo? Alright, whatevs I guess. Sheeeit."
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Aug 8, 2013 15:27
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Who the gently caress actually cares?
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Aug 8, 2013 15:32
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I don't think people "growing out" of Final Fantasy is really the issue. The storylines in Final Fantasy VII, and VIII and IX all have silly issues with them that you can nitpick if you want, but the fact is is that they more or less sell you on it. In VII the characters have really snappy dialog and it feels grim and tense when it wants to be and campy and off-kilter at other times. The characters are varied, which keeps interactions fresh, and you have a lot of really neat character moments that coincide with your own progress in the game. But this is all a digression, because it isn't the plots of the series that are the problem, it's the gameplay. I know everyone seems to be convinced that JRPGs just have shoddy gameplay, but it should be understood that this isn't really the case. JRPGs have PLENTY of gameplay, it's just all in mechanics and customization. Final Fantasy VII has simple turn-based battles with tough bosses and other obstacles--you overcome those obstacles by exploring and finding materia, which you can then equip to outfit people with abilities. YOu have limitations on how much materia you can use at once, so there's an element of picking your arsenal and trying to anticipate incoming threats. It really matters WHAT Materia you use and when--if you load up Cloud with every high-damage summon materia, he'll be stuck with 3000 HP when everyone else has 9999, and enemies are dealing 6k. Add in equipment customization and you have a very sturdy engine to run the game on. The plot is just excuses for you to go to places and fight guys, and it's a very entertaining excuse. New Final Fantasy games just don't have that. 13 requires you to do absolutely nothing more than hold down a button to level up. There's weapon customization, but that doesn't even really become viable or fully usable until the very end point of the game, and even then it is so cumbersome and clumsy that you won't really know what the gently caress you are doing anyway. There is an element of timing required with the Paradigm shift system and, actually, this is kind of fun and almost engaging. It's a promising system, except that they never really do anything interesting with it. You just switch poo poo, and often you just find a combination that lets you take on most battles and just use that the whole game. 13-2 at the very least attempted to give you more variety, and even threw in a half-assed monster raising component to give you some semblance of actual gameplay, but let's be real. It's not much to look at, and 13-2 doesn't really have any memorable bosses (maybe a couple) and it has boring songs and there's only four areas in the whole game that they just reuse over and over again, it's clearly a cash-in recycled B-side. The story matters, yeah, but I'd be fine with FF13-2's dumb loving time travel nonsense. Hell, I even kind of enjoyed FF13 for awhile--I liked the very focused emphasis on the character arcs. It was only when it dragged out every single one for twenty hours, resolved them all in one, then kicked you off a cliff into loving bonkersville that I lost interest. But I'd be fine with all of it if the game was just fun to play. But it isn't. You know it isn't. It's kind of neat for awhile--the battle system is always initially so interesting and fast and flashy...but battles never change, you really don't need more than three strategies and load-outs to deal with every challenge, and you can make the regular game a complete cakewalk halfway through, at which point you then have to grind for absolute ages to even attempt to challenge the DLC, which you bought because you're a nostalgic moron and you saw Ultros and it reminded you of a Final Fantasy game that was actually fun. Who gives a poo poo if Zidane honking the princess's tush is an affront to women? Who cares if Edgar said something questionable to a weird magical girl in a weird magical cave full of loving monsters? Who cares about what is anime as what? It doesn't matter--you know it doesn't matter because you're playing the game and you're having a loving great time and you don't give a gently caress about any of that until years afterwards when you're bitching about it on the Internet because you've long forgotten that once upon a time Final Fantasy games were fun.
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Aug 9, 2013 04:54
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Play Final Fantasy XIII-2 because at the end of the day it's still a better alternative to Hyperdimension Neptunia. Don't play it if you like to have fun though, it's not fun. Chronobind loses its luster after about ten minutes and you'll be doing it for HOURS to get the sweet poo poo at the casino. Everything else in the game is pretty much dreadful. You know what, you should just rent the game, you can easily beat it in a weekend if you skip the more lengthy sidequests.
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Aug 13, 2013 17:30
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Thievery posted:I've been continuing with my FFIX playthrough (Just finished Mount Gulug) and i'm using a different team to my usual one of Zidane, Vivi, Steiner and Eiko - Zidane, Vivi, Freya and Amarant. It's a little tricky not using white magic at all, but I didn't realise just how strong some of Freya's dragon skills are (namely White Draw which is loving crazy when paired with stuff like MP attack on Zidane/Amarant and half-MP Meteor on Vivi) and Amarant can basically act like jesus all the time to all my guys too, with all his revive skills. I like Zidane, Freya, Vivi and Quina--Quina can do some great healing and buffs on her own. In fact, that was the only party I ever beat Ozma with!
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Aug 14, 2013 02:41
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So I guess I got into the final FF14 PS3 Beta. Is there a Megathread for that game at all, or do we just talk about it in this one? I went about three pages in and didn't see one...
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Aug 14, 2013 23:15
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Great Lakes Log posted:Yeah I reached the point in FF9 where I got the airship and I wandered a bit checking out stuff around the world. I think FFIX, thanks to its pre-rendered backgrounds, is still one of the best looking games of its era and the franchise in general. I love how many secrets were stashed away in the background, which encouraged you to explore and appreciate all of the fantastic art. That was my very first end-game party too, and I also didn't do much Chocobo Hot and Cold my first time through. I'd reccomend trying it to completion next time you play through the game though, the rewards can be really nice and are better the earlier you start. Hades doesn't really count compared to Ozma. 
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Aug 15, 2013 14:33
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Defiance Industries posted:Doesn't that mean that jobs are poorly differentiated, not characters, then? The characters are differentiated only by their jobs. They are blank slates initially who then become defined by their stats and skills earned via their jobs. This isn't a complicated issue.
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Aug 19, 2013 19:08
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Dross posted:All words are made up words. False, the bird is undeniably the word.
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Aug 19, 2013 20:16
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pretend to care posted:
Oh, don't you know? If you take too long to beat certain bosses, they just do that automatically! Fun I know!
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Aug 20, 2013 17:12
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So it's going to be the same poo poo but bigger. Any press release that is this eager to sell me on a game makes me suspicious that they are gilding a lilly and calling it a rose.
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Aug 27, 2013 18:00
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Yeah there's a nice music post and I'm sure we're all very happy to pretend that it's not the same load of boring-rear end elevator musak that we got in FF13 and 13-2 and imma let you finish but I just wanna say that FFXIV has the best boss theme of all (series) time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5q-GJHoSHc
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Sep 16, 2013 18:04
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The best Final Fantasy game is Nobuo Uemetsu's career.
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Sep 26, 2013 05:35
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Final Fantasy VIII had a kick-rear end robot spider. It was weak to thunder spells but you had a time limit and at the end your sexy teacher shoots it with a goddamn gatling gun. Final Fantasy VII had you snowboard down a mountain and ride a motorcycle down a highway, slicing other motherfuckers who are also on motorcycles with a sword as big as you are. I just wanted to remind people of awesome things that were in Final Fantasy games.
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Sep 26, 2013 23:31
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ImpAtom posted:Maybe not praiseworthy but when anything is a step up, that stands out. See, again, Samus Aran who was literally a mostly-mute Ripley-in-power-armor. The fact that Samus was (until Other M) basically held up as one of the most iconic female characters out there should kind of say something about how desperate people are to find something and how frustrating it is when "is less male gaze than usual" gets converted into "holy poo poo lookit all that male gaze." The female characters in FFVII are written remarkably well. Both have well-defined personalities, wear reasonably modest clothing (compared to a lot of RPGs) and they have their own story arcs, sub plots and even inter-cast interactions with each other. Tifa and Aeris kind of become gal-pals for a chunk of the journey, and Aeris is arguably the most important character of the cast. Plus there's Yuffie and Yuffie is kicking rad.
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Oct 21, 2013 21:15
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Oxxidation posted:And at least Tifa's obsession with the male protagonist can be chalked up to borderline-pathological co-dependence. That girl ain't right. That and she was literally watching him on the suspicion that he was a clearly crazy person who may snap on them at any moment. She lies to him to help further his delusion solely to try and find out what the hell was wrong with him. Tifa plays a lot of angles in the plot, clumsily presented as it may be.
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Oct 21, 2013 22:26
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Mordiceius posted:It's like I said, this game is filled with nostalgia. Chocobos, moogles, magitek, gunblades, materia, Cid, Biggs, Wedge. This, basically. It's the first Final Fantasy game since 12 that's felt like a Final Fantasy game. It's fun enough for what it is, and you can take or leave a lot of it. It's an MMO done in MMO fashion that trims almost all the fat--leveling takes time, yeah, but you don't have to invest eighty hours of your life into it to see results. It slows down as you get near the level cap, but then you get access to bigger and badder events and bosses. The dungeons are really pretty too, and there's some clever boss fights. The gameplay that is there has been highly polished and does exactly what it needs to. It's probably the most user-friendly MMO I've played. I haven't renewed after my free trial ended, but I'll probably pick up a new subscription when they announce the first content patch and keep playing, and that's more than I can say for any other MMO I've played. At least it's better than FF13. Plus the Titan boss battle music is the best boss fight music in the series.
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Oct 22, 2013 20:06
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Is that red sword supposed to be the Blood Sword then, or a Fire Brand?
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Oct 24, 2013 23:46
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Fister Roboto posted:It's not even innuendo. I was serious a bit upthread when I said all the NPCs constantly tell you to get sodomized. I'm almost certain that "bugger" is the most commonly used word in the game, followed closely by "shite" and "the". There's also a lot of people threatening castration on each other.
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Oct 25, 2013 04:34
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HitmanAndQuitIt posted:Finally up to the "Open" part of FFXIII - is it just me or are the battles now taking even longer than they did already (And that was already too long)? Hahahahaha welcome to your despair. Enjoy the Behemoth fight. Watch out! Kill him in five seconds or he fully heals AND becomes ten times harder! Enjoy facing literal mountains of HP and flailing helplessly! I made it past where you went, but there's a big boss fight upcoming that just broke me. The game is now "open" and that means it's way harder and even less fun than before. FYI don't waste your time leveling up people's jobs outside of their comfort zone, it simply isn't worth it.
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Oct 25, 2013 16:02
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Oxxidation posted:Full disclosure, the dress-up portion stirs guilty urges in me. Resonance of Fate left a deep mark. I couldn't play that game for more than a few hours, but I'll be completely honest and say that at least half of the time was spent playing dress-up with my fabulously dressed team of gunslingers.
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Oct 26, 2013 23:56
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It's just plain depressing to see the name Final Fantasy attached to poo poo like this. It's not to say that the series was ever once "above" this, but...you know what, maybe it was. At the very least it was a lot better at it. I mean, if you're going to play dress-up, at least go ahead and make it funny.
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Oct 27, 2013 01:31
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TheEggsBenedict posted:Wasn't The World Ends With You supposed to be really good or was he not involved with that outside of character designs? Nomura wasn't involved beyond character designs. I'm pretty sure he did none of the writing for it.
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Nov 4, 2013 18:29
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Dr Pepper posted:Just because you don't like the story doesn't make the game itself not fun to play. But KH games aren't very fun to play. Kingdom Hearts 2 simplified the combat to the point of obsolesence, and never offered any substantial challenge outside of the boss battles, which were themselves either big spectacles with no real challenge to them or else endless exercises in frustration, stymied further by uneven challenges or bullshit deaths (DANCE WATER DANCE). Ignoring the storyline, the level designs are almost entirely garbage, consisting of unremarkable rooms stuffed with cannon fodder enemies, whom you must kill by tapping one button or sometimes tapping another button without much concern or challenge involved. Removed from the game is the platforming elements of KH1, the exploration, levels with actual layers and vertical movement, a wide variety of enemies that require varied means of attack, and added in are QTEs and a loving MUSICAL. From what I've seen of the mobile KH games, none of that seems to have been changed.
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Nov 4, 2013 18:35
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ImpAtom posted:I had more fun with FFIII than I did with FFVIII. Being able to turn off the combat means all you have left is the loving plot. Nothing but 20-30 hours of That Plot plus some card games. EXCUSE me you also run on a train and later on you fight a flying school with another flying school
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Nov 5, 2013 19:39
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This is not clothes! Clothes! Wear clothes!. I swear to loving God.
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Nov 13, 2013 18:22
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NikkolasKing posted:I love X to pieces but Yuna really should have been the main protagonist. Tidus can still be there but as a side character. His role as MC is just too flimsy in my opinion and largely dependent upon the fact Auron is the Citan of the game. Tidus makes sense because the whole point of Spira is that it needed an "outside" perspective for it to both change and for the story to be best presented to the player. You need Tidus to ask stupid questions and get the low-down on the rather intricate setting. Spira was such a cool game world too. I mean, the whole of technology is literally based on harvesting dead peoples' soul memories. It's like necrotech. Necropunk! In Southeast Asia!
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Nov 20, 2013 20:32
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ImpAtom posted:You asked for this. Wait a loving second, so at the end they actually loving kill Aya Brea? Are you making GBS threads me
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Nov 25, 2013 07:51
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Hit or miss Clitoris posted:And for all three of us that liked the card game in IX, the best players in the game are hidden around in there. Whenever you get that (!) above your head and you can't find an item, you can challenge some ~~PHANTOM~~ to the hardest card battles. Those are the true hidden bosses, since Hades is so goddamn easy. Except Tetra Master sucks and Triple Triad is the best (if you omit the bullshit rules.) I'll still take bullshit rules over simply obtuse and downright unknowable mechanics.
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Nov 28, 2013 08:02
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Momomo posted:I thought Lightning's attitude was completely justified. Her entire life was turned upside down because of the Fal'cie and now she's stuck with a band of assholes, including the one that wants to marry her sister. Too much. This is too much anime.
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Nov 28, 2013 16:26
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Wendell posted:Full modern business attire RPG would be a Turks game, not that. That already happened and nobody cared. 
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Nov 28, 2013 16:29
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