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Egomaniac posted:Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the whole "GTA-clone" image came from Sega's marketing for the first game's western release. They thought that would have more appeal or something. So naturally the series was hamstring in the west on Day One because the people who bought it were mostly disappointed GTA fans and the people who actually would've loved it stayed away thinking it wasn't for them. Well it just needs the ability to beat up civies for money and outside of OF THE END, allow you to actually kill petty thugs rather than "beaten to a pulp". GTA's other appeal is always the fact you can vent your anger to the apathetic and materialistic citizens who didn't expect to shoot them.
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Surlaw posted:I specifically like that Yakuza does not allow this. It's nice to play an open world type of game where you're not a psychopath for once. It would be horribly out of character to let you murder innocent people for being "materialistic." What I meant by materialistic is that the pedestrians in GTA are totally unlikable. None of them are genuine good people who tries to make their life better for others but consist of the following: -Pretentious upper class who treats theft as dropping a penny on the ground. Rarely do you see an average joe who is just trying to earn enough money for necessities. -Destitute drunks and addicts who does little to improve their social status -The law enforcement who is corrupt at best and trigger happy at worst. Most of all, the peds in GTA are extremely rude and impolite.
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Honest Thief posted:No one dies in Yakuza unless they go against the serie's weird morale system, so unless Goro killed someone cold blooded it's probably another too elaborate and complext plot. Even if they are shot with guns? Why is Yakuza so much less lethal than most Crime Sandboxes where optimistically you only have 100 deaths minimum and can go up to a small town's worth of bodies in games like GTA and Saints Row. Also Kiryu is small time, Tatsuya can serve a mad helping of Gelato, act as a Ramen Chef, cook street food and be paid by the platter, greet and serve hostess club members or shove down overenthusiastic patrons at the tantra strip club. And grab burgers down a conveyor belt. I wish GTA was more like that, do average day jobs for huge amounts of cash. gyrobot fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Sep 22, 2012 |
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Bocc Kob posted:Other crime sandbox games are for adolescents. Yakuza is for men. Manly men. The manliest of men. I guess, I mean in Grand Theft Auto, people die all the time from your average joe to the big name gang members. Yet in Yakuza, the deathcount is extremely low by crime drama standards. But then again, Japanese Version of Sleeping Dogs frowns upon the idea of committing a rampage.
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Skeezy posted:I'm surprised this happened. I know it's Famitsu and all but still, that's cool. Well GJ Sega, too bad it is unlikely to come over here. Also, Kurohyou 2 was simply giving you a small taste of Soutenboori for Yakuza 5. I still have fond memories of going to Kani Douraku in the game, crab, crab and more crab.
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Although I was thinking about Kani Doraku, why do people like product placement in Yakuza vs GTA where people never want to see the GTA universe feel a bit more like a "real" city. From ads for cell phones and drinks to real life restaurants ranging from McDonalds to LA's more upscale restaurant
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Looking at Yakuza 5's restaurants got me thinking...why can Yakuza do real life placements while GTA never does that and fans of GTA are quick to reject any idea of that. I mean I saw the debut of Gyoza no Osho, Sumire Ramen (known for the Miso Ramen with that signature hot oil)
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Zettace posted:Also, in Yakuza you can't attack civilians. Obviously, massacring tons of innocents is not something companies want to be associated with. What about Halo and it's gamer fuel ads? Surely by now we are thicker skinned and can self roast ourselves
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MacGyvers_Mullet posted:I agree completely, and it also makes it a lot easier from a legal standpoint. There's nothing illegal about having the McDonald's logo in your game without McDonalds' permission, but if you have a McDonald's store that a player can interact with in a way that McDonalds feels is an inaccurate, damaging representation of their restaurants, then things could get tricky. As you said, the GTA games are essentially parodies, and there's no way they'd ever want to actually portray a McDonalds in a way that the company would decide not to sue over, and if they entered into a licensing agreement, you'd get a clean restaurant full of slim people with polite, eloquent staff, and that doesn't jive with the Rockstar caricature of America. I think nowadays they are used to having insults hurled at them from YT videos to animal rights groups. They are a lot more thick skinned now than ever. It also will act as "good PR" in the sense that they are willing to let themselves take a bit of self depreciation. In the end the core audience will ultimate come and eat at their place.
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Samurai Sanders posted:In that case, wouldn't it be the next customer in line who would have that yellow and then red outline around them, and not the bouncer? That's what I thought it was at first, that would have made sense. Well to be fair, the restaurant part, they think Haruka is just some trust fund brat and wants her money. And on the hostess club part that was part of chapter 9's series of dickery the Kamuro Home Sec pulled on the Hostess Clubs, by claiming they are under 20
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Quiet Python posted:Well, Haruka isn't a little girl any more. She's a teenager and will eventually become an adult. Once she grows up, perhaps Kiryu will teach her a few of the myriad ways of destroying a man so that she can safely walk the streets of Kamurocho. That reminds me of Saki, Tatsuya's personal coach. She is one hell of an Akido fighter. Snapping wrists and legs of guys trying to hit on her.
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Finally finished Kuro Hyou 2 at last...drat it feels good, now I got to max out all of the skills and do the extra content items.
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One thing that interested me was in Kurohyou, because Tatsuya is not within the legal drinking age of 21 in Japan the hostess clubs offer Tatsuya non alcoholic beverages such as fruit juice and tea. Does it also apply to real life hostess clubs in Japan where the patron in question is old enough to go to the Hostess club but not old enough to drink?
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Samurai Sanders posted:I doubt it, I think Japan has some kind of cultural thing about portraying underage people drinking (and only drinking, not other vices) in the media. There is definitely underage drinking in Japan though, it;s apparently easy to do in karaoke shops. As long as you aren't being dumb like wearing your school uniform or something, they'll serve you alcohol. Still, Tatsuya may smoke but he never drinks alcohol with the hostesses, only juice, tea and virgin cocktail.
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Policenaut posted:No XSEED has no time, they have to localize a series of JRPGs that will never sell and figure out who's going to buy them. Meanwile NISA keeps localizing awful JRPGs thhat reviewers slam. It is a sad world
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http://yakuzafan.com/post/62617991224/sega-has-shut-down-all-official-yakuza-sub-sites It's official, SEGA's abandoned us all. Just like how Capcom abandoned us on Gundam VS. Meanwhile, someone decides to have a case of sour grapes quote:Like just to reiterate what was said on the last page, no Yakuza game has sold particularly well in the west, and each subsequent release has performed less well than the last despite each subsequent localisation being more complete and of higher quality. They tried very hard and the market just didn't want it. That sucks but isn't on SEGA. Goddamnit, while games like Neptunia keep coming over like a bad stomach flu, good games are being denied to us.
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Volfogg posted:I think he meant to type Shinsho, which means he'd be talking about Kurohyo: Ryu ga Gotoku Shinsho, Black Panther, which was the first PSP Spinoff. To my knowledge, nobody's really said much about the two Black Panther games aside from that fact that they exist. I played through it ss well. And if Tatyuya is a thug for Kuki why they dont make him do thug side jobs instead of working a legit day job?
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Butt Ghost posted:Remember, like, six months ago when some guy at Sony Third Party Productions hinted at games like Yakuza coming over? While I wouldn't get my hopes up, I'm sure they have something ready at E3. If it's related to Yakuza? We'll just have to wait and see. Hell, we might even see Shenmue 3, but again, hopes. We are more likely to get offensive games from Idea Factory or whatever shovelware that NISA localizes than a good Japanese games. The good times are over for us.
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Samurai Sanders posted:It appears that the market for moe stuff from Japan is bigger than the market for manly stuff from Japan. Which only gets more depressing as Sega looks at how the internet reviews seem to have it in for Japan. Everytime Nisa localizes more trash is a less likely chance of good japanese games coming over
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Neo Rasa posted:Still can't believe Ishin isn't coming out here. Welcome to the new tens. Where Japanese companies worth a drat hates Gaijin money while SJW offending crap from lovely companies like CH comes overseas while Sega gives you the finger.
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Reo posted:Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for keeping this thread alive and finally getting me to try out Yakuza. I've now played 3, 4, and Dead Souls (the PS3 ones). I even 100% completed 4. Great games, and I am now saddened that 5 is never coming to the US. Thank NISA and lovely game companies as well for ruining the hopes even further. While lovely fanservice crap like SK and Neptunia comes over here. Good games like Yakuza 5 will never see foreign shores and SEGA is probably looking at how SJWs are trashing the Japanese games and thinks the market is even colder.
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Lost Rivell posted:There's a lot of things that go into it -- do you want to license all the various forms of snacks and alcohol that you can ingest during the game, or do you make fake off-brands and make new textures for all the packages? If a minor celebrity allowed you to use their likeness in the game, does their contract permit use in other countries or does it need renegotiation? Things like that. Also, the game might require substantial reprogramming and bugfixing to allow the English text to actually be inserted. As silly as it is, it wouldn't surprise me if Sega has been making these games without thinking about foreign release, despite how vocal the fans are about them. The alternative is letting NISA piss away Japanese goodwill with creepyshit. People are dying for a decent Japanese game that doesnt offend their tastes
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Samurai Sanders posted:I think the NA advertising (lack of) and the packaging utterly failed to convey that this is one of the best game series ever. Throw in the recent fiasco involving Gearbox damaging what faith SEGA had in the US. Meanwhile SJW offending poo poo comes over and sucks up what consumer income for entertainment people have left. Thanks NISA and Gearbox!
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Yakuza: blame NISA.
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straight jerkers posted:It isn't NISA's fault that Yakuza games cost a lot to translate and sell poorly. If anything Sega should probably be trying to figure out how NISA and XSEED pull it off since most of what they publish are big, ridiculous, text-heavy, super-niche JRPGs and they seem to be doing alright. They have a dedicated group of fans buying it on creeper appeal and spiting the industry. It is sort of like order a bucket of something that causes noses to turn and eating it and then belching in front of their faces. That is why jidols are also popular.
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Yechezkel posted:Hopefully, they won't use the same intro yet again where Kiryu is away from the clan but something happens that drags him back to it. That's how 3, 4, and 5 started with him, if I remember right. Could also be a Kurohyou sequel. Pefect timing for it it. And for the record NISA doesnt do anyone favors by making an rear end of Japanese gaming by giving gaming journalism fuel on how creepy Japan is. You cant buy political opinions with money in gaming journalism gyrobot fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Jul 1, 2014 |
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Yardbomb posted:Killer is Dead was pretty fantastic though and the weird date crap was entirely skippable if I remember right? Japan is like that fancy restaurant that refuses to let you take home leftovers. And if you post any photos or reviews on yelp/dineout/urbanspoon they will sue you.
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Crabtree posted:It's partially murky, but it's still proving that even creeper elements in a good Grasshopper game can sell in the west if Japanese devs simply attempt to bring their games over. There is such a dearth of Japanese titles that Kickstarter experiments and known knock-offs are profiting off of old dogs like SEGA being too scared to try anymore. Exactly, they are not doing Japan any favors. Especially in this social climate where journalists are no longer just bribed, they have to be courted politically or you will be lumped with the horrible crowd of nerds who doesn't understand their social behavior patterns is horrible.
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Still companies like NISA and Xseed doesmt help Japans reputation and only justifiez Sega's argument that the western reviewers hates Japan.
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oblomov posted:Ok, admittedly, it probably takes 1/10th the translation time to localize Dynasty Warriors vs Yakuza proper. Oh, and all NISA and Xseed prove is that you can make a profit localizing fairly niche games. Niche games that do Japan no favors in given more respect.
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mikeycp posted:So it's almost certain that it won't do jack poo poo, but this is a thing people are doing that I thought may interest this thread. Sega wont give a poo poo about your little Operation Rainfall. Sega has a lot more at stake than the OR titles companies. I would buy a console for RNG but SEGA and capcom have forsaken us. Nisa and xseed pissing away Japan's rep over the years doesnt help either
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Surlaw posted:Blaming every company but Sega for the Yakuza games not coming over here is getting really old and dumb. The blame is aimed at all sides but Nisa and Xseed isnt helping with Nisa publishing shovelware
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Surlaw posted:The existence of dumb shovelware from other companies is not why Yakuza 5 does not have an English release. It is, I will give you a process of how NISA adds to the problem. -Shovelware companies peddles trash -> It gets slammed in reviews from SJW type reviewers -> People gets disillusioned with Japan and starts viewing them as a pariah nation -> Reviewers wanting more hits slams more Japanese games regardless of company -> Big Companies see the market as a whole as unsuitable for big fish and refuses to market or localize their games. -> Small companies continues business by milking desperate tall fandom thirsty for Japanese games. This is also why Gundam VS will never come over here again after IGN ripped them a new one. gyrobot fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Jul 17, 2014 |
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kirbysuperstar posted:You are delusional and stupid. More like angry and bitter at how crap from NISA and XSEED keeps coming over here while good games like Yakuza and SB4 isn't because Capcom and SEGA are more sensitive to the opinions of Journalism than the pedo pandering crap from Compile Heart who can live on the wallets of a tall fandom.
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Crabtree posted:Actual Yakuza organizations are more internationally minded than SEGA. They may pull a Capcom and just give up on us like what they did with the Gundam VS series.
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Policenaut posted:Who's ready to do this poo poo again? Probably a Persona tie in. Remember, SEGA like Capcom has given up on the west completely and made sure anyone who tries to follow be punished for being a international fan.
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Ryoga posted:Don't worry about it too much. It's well established by now the gyrobot is some kind of conspiracy theorist. I consider myself a spiteful NISA and Compile Heart hater in whom to focus my hate on. And most former fans of Japanese pop culture often take it out on creepy fandoms to be honest. I wish I still had that quote from some guy who talks about Japan's lovely tastes.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Yeah...I only consider Compile Heart responsible for their OWN games being bad, and the solution to that is simple. I am more resentful of the drought of worthwhile Japanese games Compile Heart is causing by giving Japanese games a bad name in general. And here I thought Zorak had created a mindset in that SA hates creepy pandering games and anime. gyrobot fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/akibas-trip-undead-and-undressed-review/1900-6415846/ This certainly doesn't inspire confidence in SEGA or Capcomin thinking the west wants their games.
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mikeycp posted:The XSEED conspiracy continues. I am just a concerned fan who believes this isn't helping Japan's reputation as a country do any better. We could be having good music but instead we get creepy idol pandering stuff that caters not to men with sensible music taste for their age but kiddy crap, the Japanese gaming industry isn't doing much better with poo poo like this.
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