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Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

According to this (warning: anime as gently caress ads), 5 will take place in five cities and have five main characters. Its subtitle is "the one who makes dreams come true" or something. It will go on sale over there in December.

# ¿ May 23, 2012 00:46

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 01:36

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

Ryuga Death posted:

Majima better be playable, drat it.

If he was playable then how would he show up out of loving nowhere and do something insane?

# ¿ May 23, 2012 00:53

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

Yechezkel posted:

Playable Sayama, maybe?

How would a (straight) playable female character flirt with hostesses then, huh?!?

Seriously though Sayama is not coming back because she was dangerously close to being a real love interest for Kiryu and like a Bond movie, that just doesn't work with the structure of the game.

edit: unless you want her to die like in Casino Royale. That's really your only option if you want her back.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 02:44 on May 23, 2012

# ¿ May 23, 2012 02:38

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

Bocc Kob posted:

You still have Stardust!

Japan just isn't there yet, I think. It's not ready to have mostly male players playing a female character flirting with guys, not in a semi-realistic setting like this. If you want to see what gender issues were like in the 50s in the West without traveling back through time, just go to Japan.

edit: or play this game series

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 03:03 on May 23, 2012

# ¿ May 23, 2012 02:59

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

...?!?

# ¿ May 23, 2012 03:22

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

Also there aren't two new guys, the guy on the upper right is Taiga Saejima... or so it says. The other new guy is named I think Tatsuo Shinada. Also why does Haruka have the last name Sawamura now? So many mysteries. And yeah, I am completely shocked for all the reasons above that there appears to be a female playable character, unless she's just there to follow Akiyama around.

# ¿ May 23, 2012 03:28

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

Seriously Haruka fighting is something we always joked about happening but if it actually does that means that the world has officially gone completely bonkers.

# ¿ May 23, 2012 03:35

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

Zettace posted:

That was her original last name wasn't it? I don't think she changed her last name over the series. Did Kazuma even officially adopt Haruka?

Oh, maybe I forgot, absolutely no one calls her by her last name through any of the games. She's just "Haruka".

edit: think about this: for her to be a player character in a fight, she is going to be hit and stabbed and shot and everything, and she is going to occasionally get the poo poo kicked out of her. And her opponents aren't happy nice moegame enemies, they are criminals who want to do horrible things to people, especially women. Can you imagine this game going there? I really can't.

edit: I was surprised that they let what's her name Tanimura's buddy fight with him, even just sparring, and she's an adult. Also thinking back to when Sayama fought in 2, I don't think it was possible for her to ever get very hurt or knocked down.

edit: then there's the issue of hostess clubs and host clubs, can you imagine the audience accepting her going to either one? I can't. The game just isn't made for a female main character, much less a teenaged one, much less one who has been the damsel in distress for the last five games.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 03:58 on May 23, 2012

# ¿ May 23, 2012 03:42

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Bocc Kob posted:

I don't get what that means. Saejima didn't go into hostess clubs. Just give her a little thought bubble about not engaging in illicit things and continue on her way. Assuming she's even in the Kamurocho part.

Oh yeah, I guess I forgot. The idea of her running a hostess club is hilarious and awesome though.

# ¿ May 23, 2012 04:46

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

Policenaut posted:

This is the saddest part of Dark Souls. They have such a good basic idea that they could run with in so many different directions, but they did the cash grab zombies pitch.

Stop saying Dark Souls by accident, seriously. Everyone stop it.

# ¿ May 23, 2012 06:32

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

A little bit on hachima's blog says that Haruka ran off to Osaka to study music and dance. Is she going to dance the bad gangsters to death, Space Channel 5 style?

edit: most people posting on the blog assume Haruka part = non-combat part.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 06:44 on May 23, 2012

# ¿ May 23, 2012 06:42

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Cao Ni Ma posted:

Idol simulator.

Yeah, lots of people are thinking this. Her part will be Idolmaster: Haruka Edition.

edit: which would mean that in a practical sense, she wouldn't be any more your player character than the girls in Idolmaster are.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 18:31 on May 23, 2012

# ¿ May 23, 2012 18:14

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

Wow, Haruka's boss in the entertainment biz is Korean? That's a bold move in the current (internet anyway) political climate towards Korean entertainment over there.

# ¿ May 24, 2012 05:27

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Crappy Jack posted:

Oh, I'm sure it'll turn out she's evil and doing some shady underhanded business and Haruka will have to put a stop to it. Remember their fair and even-handed treatment of Koreans in Yakuza 2.

She could be "one of the good ones" like Yuuya in 2...or was it Kazuki who was the secret Korean? I forget.

Anyway I wonder if they will be incorporating the current Korean entertainment backlash into the game somehow.

# ¿ May 24, 2012 05:33

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Policenaut posted:

Wasn't Goda Ryuji half-Korean?

I don't remember, at some point in 2 it felt like every single character in the game had some connection to the Korean mafia, either by blood or something else.

Maybe I should play 2 again someday.

# ¿ May 24, 2012 05:39

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

Sindai posted:

According to wikipedia it was March 2010 for Japan and March 2011 for the US. Ouch. I had no idea it took that long.

Don't think of it as taking a long time, rather them just doing it whenever they get around to it. You knowing what the Japanese release date is doesn't really figure into their plans.

# ¿ May 24, 2012 05:55

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PunkBoy posted:

If it's not too much of a derail, what's this backlash about?

Japan has a lot of nationalist assholes who hate Korea and are very very loud on the internet. Their current target of ire is the huge amount of Korean shows on Japanese TV, and Korean pop stars infiltrating the jpop market. They think that the Japanese entertainment biz is colluding with Koreans to replace Japanese culture with Korean for political conspiracy theory reasons.

edit: it all started about a year ago when the husband of some TV personality spoke out about the volume of Korean shows on TV, and his talent agency fired him...or something, I forget the details. Anyway it's a ridiculous conspiracy theory but so are the tea party and birthers and stuff in the US and they still sway national discourse.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 19:02 on May 24, 2012

# ¿ May 24, 2012 18:58

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Bocc Kob posted:

That seems an unlikely topic to include in a game about manly men and burning justice.

Oh, at least since 2 there's been things here and there about the the Korean entertainment boom (which was loving HUGE at the time, I was there, I saw it first-hand), but it came up this time because Haruka is going into the idol biz and her boss is apparently Korean.

# ¿ May 24, 2012 19:15

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Bocc Kob posted:

Is Mirei also a Korean name? Maybe she's had to face discrimination for being half-Korean/half-Japanese and is just trying to get somewhere in the business with hard work until some yakuza jerks showed up and now Haruka has to save the day.

I dunno, it doesn't sound Japanese to me anyway. Paku is definitely the Korean name Park though.

Egomaniac posted:

They won't. It's really not mainstream opinion. In fact, that kind of feeling has only surfaced because the rest of the country is so head over heels with Korean pop culture and Japan-Korea relations are at an all-time high.

Yeah, any big popular thing is going to have a backlash, it's unavoidable. And it doesn't have to be a mainstream opinion to be relevant here, I think. A lot of fans of this series will also be anti-Korean I think, since it's such a RAH RAH JAPAN series.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 19:27 on May 24, 2012

# ¿ May 24, 2012 19:23

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Bocc Kob posted:

I know it's definitely a Japanese name, I just don't know anything about Korean names.

When I put it into Google using any of the top few Chinese characters the IME give it 美麗、美玲、美令、), only Chinese people come up. I've never heard a Japanese given name that ends in -rei, other than the name Rei.

edit: oh, 三玲 got some Japanese hits. The top one was for some artist who actually changed his name to that to match the French name Millet.

edit: vvv sure it wasn't a stage name?

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 19:41 on May 24, 2012

# ¿ May 24, 2012 19:30

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Crappy Jack posted:

If Japan made Sayama leave, then Japan is bad and I want to beat them up.

All I know is that both Lupin III and Cutey Honey are made from the position that the Japanese police are awful and not a place where real ability is ever recognized. Someone always says "don't underestimate the Japanese police!" because the default position is to.

And yeah being over there too all my (few) encounters with the police have supported this idea. Not in the "gently caress the police" sense like here, just lazy and not having any real work to do most of the time. Once a car ran into a telephone pole outside my building and I watched in amusement as six police cars and a police van showed up and stayed there for hours, the officers all standing around doing nothing.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 04:56 on May 25, 2012

# ¿ May 25, 2012 04:53

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Rebel Blob posted:

This probably came up in the old thread, I only caught the tail end of it, but it is neat enough to post up here.

Kabukicho on Google Street View. I lost myself for a while wandering around and comparing the real district against Kamurocho.

I haven't been there but I'm told its a perfectly normal place during the day, as soon as the sun goes down it turns into the red light district we all know.

My parents wandered in there by mistake once at night when they were in Tokyo. A suspicious looking guy walked by and deliberately hit my mom's shoulder, they took that as a sign that they were somewhere they shouldn't be.

edit: I accidentally walked into that place's equivalent in Sapporo once (where I presume that part of 5 takes place). It doesn't gradually ease into it or anything, just suddenly in the space of a block you go from being completely surrounded by ordinary Japanese shops to being surrounded by porn shops and hostess clubs.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jun 12, 2012

# ¿ Jun 12, 2012 22:15

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cat doter posted:

How easy is it to learn to understand Japanese? I ask because I can't wait nearly 2 years for Yakuza 5 .

Not as hard as you've heard I bet. It's a fairly middle of the road language in most respects.

Now the writing system though, that is an absolute bitch.

edit: I also want to see more games like this get out of Japan. There are others kind of like it over there but are of much lower quality and don't usually get localized.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Jun 14, 2012

# ¿ Jun 14, 2012 20:49

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cat doter posted:

Yeah I've some acquaintances that have attempted Kanji and basically given up. I guess any calligraphy heavy writing system is really difficult to learn. I'd rather just learn how to understand it though, maybe not speak it (at least not fluently) or bother with writing it.

Isn't there another writing system that most Japanese people understand as well? Like, written Japanese with the English alphabet? Romanji or something? Or is that mainly for the benefit of people like me?

Japanese is really written using a combination of four sets of characters, kanji (chinese characters), two kinds of kana (phonetic symbols derived from kanji), and as you say, Roman characters. Roman characters are used the least of those four though, there's no way you could expect to read very much only knowing that, or just that and kana either really. Remember that most of the important quest descriptions and stuff in Yakuza games is delivered only in text though, as most NPCs don't have voice actors.

edit: The first game I played entirely in Japanese (and understood it to some extent) was Shenmue, that was during my second year of college Japanese, and I'd like to say that I picked up the language more quickly than most. Shenmue is a fairly similar game to Yakuza language-wise, but with two differences: it has a "kid mode" that uses fewer kanji, and much more of the characters are voice acted. Oh and people aren't using ridiculous yakuza slang.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jun 14, 2012

# ¿ Jun 14, 2012 20:55

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

Yeah, translation is, among other things, making an expression that sounds natural to speakers of one language into an expression that sounds natural to speakers of another language. If the source phrase is not context dependent but the result phrase is, or vice versa, then that kind of variation should happen.

However, a possibly unresolvable problem is if someone says something when the natural thing to say is NOTHING in the other language. People won't tolerate something just not being translated, or a translated phrase being stuck in when the character didn't say anything in the source language. That's the problem with "metal gear?!?"

# ¿ Jun 14, 2012 23:26

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RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS posted:

How do you figure that? It has very little in common with English with regard to syllabification, grammar, or vocabulary, so it's not particularly easy for an English speaker even without its writing system.

Anyway if this is the first thing you try to read that's not out of a textbook you probably won't understand what the hell anyone is saying since it's not textbook Japanese.

I didn't say "like English", I said "middle of the road", though they both are.

It's not polysynthetic, it's not fusional, it has medium levels of agglutination, it has a common five vowel system, it has a fairly stable SOV word order (minus topicalization), verbs are inflected with suffixes for tense and aspect, objects and genitives are clearly marked...

I'll know more after I take advanced Japanese syntax next semester.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Jun 15, 2012

# ¿ Jun 15, 2012 05:10

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

I just watched the Yakuza movie, its scenes could be divided up into two categories, one of them good, one of them bad: scenes with Majima in them were good. Kinda like Batman movies and the Joker. Miike only knows how to direct completely batshit insane characters well anyway.

edit: I particularly liked a shot where Majima was peeking around a corner at Kiyru menacingly, except he was doing it with his bad eye.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Jun 16, 2012

# ¿ Jun 16, 2012 20:59

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RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS posted:

Languages are only easy or hard relative to your own native language -- a native English speaker has a much easier time learning Spanish than Korean, but the opposite would be true for a native Japanese speaker. Any discussion of the difficulty of a language divorced from the reference point of what language(s) you already know is pointless.

Like I said though, both languages are middle of the road, in that sense they are similar. Neither one is Navajo or Vietnamese or anything.

edit: syntax-wise I mean. Either way English speakers shouldn't have much problem with Japanese phonology, but the reverse is definitely not true.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Jun 17, 2012

# ¿ Jun 17, 2012 04:09

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RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS posted:

Here's professor Jay Rubin:

He's talking about reading, we're not talking about reading. I said in the first post on this subject that Japanese writing system is completely bonkers. There is absolutely no disputing that. But writing systems =/= language.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2012 04:15

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RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS posted:

OK, man, but the huge differences in vocabulary (like 60% of English words are at some point from Latin and many mean just the same thing in other European languages; the same dynamic is going on with languages influenced by Classical Chinese), grammar, and syllabification are still there, as well the thinking about tense and aspect, agglutinative verbs, particles and a whole host of things that are totally alien to Western European languages. None of these things are insurmountable but to claim they're no big deal is bizarre.

The question that started this was not "is it easier than Spanish" it was "how hard is it?" and I responded "probably easier than you think", because I think the differences between Japanese and English are exaggerated to a ridiculous degree, mostly because of the writing system, and good old fashioned "mysterious orient" stuff.

edit:

RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS posted:

Like, you thought the subjunctive voice in Spanish was weird? At least it has (slightly archaic) analogues in English. What does English have that resembles the causative passive?

Well, we have passives, and we have (lexical) causatives, and it's definitely possible to say "I was made to clean my clothes".

edit: this was the story of my life when I arrived in my linguistics program, finding out that everything I thought was unique about either Japanese or English was actually very similar.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Jun 17, 2012

# ¿ Jun 17, 2012 04:23

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RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS posted:

It may not "really" be connected, but it has thousands of words derived from Classical Chinese, as does, surprisingly, modern Chinese.

Memorizing a new set of vocabulary is something you need to be ready for when you study any language, I think. That shouldn't really figure into how difficult you regard a language to learn. And Japanese DOES have a whole hell of a lot of English (and other Germanic/Romance) loan words.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2012 05:06

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RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS posted:

Studies show Chinese L1 Japanese L2 speakers use Sino-Japanese words in conversation way more often than Japanese L1 speakers. Why do you suppose that is?

Yes you have convinced me that Japanese has a lot of Chinese loan words in it, which is unrelated to the question that started all this, now can we drop it? It's been like two pages.

edit: the best part of the Yakuza movie was at the end when he was all beaten and then gulped a Stamina Spark and got full hp and heat

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Jun 17, 2012

# ¿ Jun 17, 2012 05:23

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RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS posted:

I finished Kurohyoh 2 today. I guess no one else is/was playing because no one's responded to my posts about it but it was pretty cool and a definite step up from the first one.

I wanna know in what way, I found the boss fights to be paced really badly, given that even more so than the main line games, the boss fights are the whole point to the game. Boss fights are problematic in the main line games too and I don't feel like Kurohyo's system was necessarily an improvement, just a different kind of annoying.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2012 22:06

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RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS posted:

They didn't really change the boss fight system too much I guess, so if that annoyed you it probably still will. But they changed the XP system so you no longer pay the guy to up your skills (that's a really obtuse system in my opinion), balanced it so instead of a quarter of the game being like every random encounter could be a game over and the rest of the game is a cakewalk the whole thing is more or less reasonable difficulty, added tag-team fights and co-op (I haven't been able to try the co-op though), and some other mechanical improvements. The story is more interesting that the story of the first one (although pure pulp) and it's more expansive as you can travel to and from Kyoto. There are also, I think, more fighting styles and some other stuff like that. If you really hated the first one I don't imagine it will change your mind though.

Yeah, sounds like they didn't fix the things I didn't like. One of them was the clearly lowered audience age, it reads like a manga for fifteen year olds. I mean, it's not like the main line Yakuza story is particularly nuanced but at least it references politics and business and stuff sometimes. I guess they figured the PSP has a lower age range of users overall (though I suspect they are wrong in that assumption).

Oh yeah, and the weird way they handled the main character's underage-ness in regards to all the red light district stuff really rubbed me the wrong way for some reason.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2012 23:13

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Policenaut posted:

And here's some high res screens and story information about Shinada

I guarantee Haruka's dance game will be a reworked Project Diva.

Ah, people guessed right on the very first day. I wonder if it's just Haruka or if you'll be able to "produce" her friends too? Idolmaster and Yakuza, a match made in heaven....?

# ¿ Jun 20, 2012 05:10

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darealkooky posted:

So the point of these "Another Drama" things is that they're basically games within games like the Hostess/Fighter training, right? What exactly is Haruka going to be actually doing, then, if all the pretty princess song and dance stuff is part of that? I'm probably reading too much into this, but hey.

I'm guessing more or less the same as normal Yakuza but without combat, walking around town and talking to people, and occasionally getting into dance-offs.

# ¿ Jul 13, 2012 18:32

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Hortism posted:

Super excited about those HD remakes. But I hope they update the comobat engines.

I doubt it, but its not like they have changed THAT much. Almost nothing engine-wise has, other than more polygons and higher resolution textures.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2012 18:41

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Gutcruncher posted:

Actually they returned Fuma to Kazama in Yakuza 4. Weird that they changed it to Fuma at all, and even weirder that it took 4 games for someone to change it back.

Maybe it was a mistake in the original to have two so similar sounding names. I guess they really really wanted the names Kazuma and Kazama in the game. They're easier to tell apart in Japanese writing of course, but I'd think even a native speaker might confuse them if they were only spoken to them.

edit: outside of context of course. One of them is a first name and one is a last name so if you knew that there'd be no problem.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Jul 16, 2012

# ¿ Jul 16, 2012 08:55

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Policenaut posted:

"Mayumi", a hostess girl who knows Kiryu. She's apparently very important to the plot.

A hostess girl who is important to the plot? Now you're just talking crazy talk.

# ¿ Jul 17, 2012 19:21

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 01:36

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Xoidanor posted:

Wait what? Didn't he kill himself or something at the end of 4? Is my memory screwing with me?

If I remember right he fought with Kiryu but then all they did after that was exchange manly looks and everything was cool.

Maybe I should play 4 again sometime, I don't feel like I remember the details of its plot as well as 2 or 3.

# ¿ Jul 17, 2012 19:59

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