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Just beat V3 last night. Super fun game, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't make a bit of sense. I feel like there was another ending planned and scrapped at some point where the whole meta/fiction element was actually a ruse by cyber-Junko to get the characters to continue the cycle of the killing game. Like, instead of being fictional they'd still be in cryo-sleep and reliving the killing game over and over with different personalities each time for Junko's personal amusement. How else could you explain Tsumugi physically not being able to cosplay as Kaede if she wasn't real in some way? This would also explain other elements like the Necronomicon being able to resurrect the dead and the "Truth of the outside world" being in NEO world, a VR program which itself was based on another, more advanced version of the same thing. Why V3 went in the direction they did kind of baffles me. Maybe they ran out of budget or people didn't like the original ending? I dunno, it was a fun ride either way I guess. readingatwork fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Oct 25, 2017 |
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HellCopter posted:The entire game is themed around truth and lies, and whether lies are just as valid as the truth. I think the game built up to the ending pretty well. If it was "Junko again, again!" I would've been mad. Oh I loved that they finally found a way for the villain to not just be Junko again. That part was amazing and Tsumugi is a great villain. I just think the execution has some issues. al-azad posted:It makes a lot more sense if you accept Danganronpa is a video game/show designed to entertain by partaking in the suffering of its characters. Tsumugi isn't even mad about being exposed because the audience (you) doesn't care about the lives of the characters, only the final result hope vs. despair and the machinations of Junko Enoshima. Shuichi's final plea is that despair is bad because it's suffering, hope is bad because the audience demands more, so the only way to truly end the killing game is for the audience to stop participating. Rewrites happen all the time as part of the normal development process. It's not something that they'd necessarily announce if they were happy with the final product. It's just a hunch though so I admit I could be talking out of my rear end. As for the final twist, having the whole thing be a game show is great but it creates a ton of questions that are never really addressed. For example, are the characters real people that are brainwashed? If so do you die for real if you're murdered? Why would you volunteer for that if the only prize is that you get to participate in the next killing game? Who is Tsumugi in all of this? Yes, she's basically the Ryan Seacrest of the show but does she have a home life? Does she get to go home between seasons? How did they find an actress willing to commit murder on live TV? Who's running this thing exactly? Is it legal? Where is this show taking place? Is the destroyed area around the academy an elaborate set? And so on, and so forth. DR is a series that's usually really good about these kind of details so the fact that they weren't addressed (and that there are lots of hints to the contrary) implies to me that the real life angle was added on later in production after a lot of the story had already been written. That's my crackpot theory on it anyways. BTW, just to be clear I think the game holds together well enough to be enjoyable. I just think some aspects weren't well executed and that the final chapter could have probably used one last draft.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Tsumugi mentions that the destroyed world is just a set, that they spent alot of money and time on making during the trial. drat I totally missed that. Thanks everyone for the breakdowns. That makes a lot more sense now.
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Oct 25, 2017 18:20
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wocobob posted:Quick question: I just finished DR3 (the anime), and I'm wondering--does V3 feel as unnecessary as the anime? It kinda felt like they were running out of concrete places to take the plot of the series. Not looking for spoilers, just curious whether it's worth the $60. The anime was dogshit but I wouldn’t exactly call it unnecessary. It basically wraps up every loose end in the franchise (badly). V3 is totally worth the money though.
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Nov 6, 2017 22:45
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Danaru posted:One question I have about the anime is why are people so down on Junko in it? I thought she was rib-crushingly hilarious, especially "Get over it slut, we're dead!" and yelling "YASS QUEEN!" when meeting Kamakura She had a few great moments (the car ride scene for example) but overall they made her far too goofy and non threatening for a person capable of genocide. Though IMO that pales in comparison to the explanation for how the main cast went all evil and crazy. What should have been an interesting character study in how ones preexisting character flaws can ultimately destroy you was instead turned onto “gently caress we’re out of episodes! OK, um... it was mind control.” Which is literally the worst way to explain that since it robs everyone of any agency or culpability for their subsequent actions.
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Just recently watched a friend play through DR1 and their reaction to the mastermind was loving priceless. As was their reaction to certain characters surviving to the end unscathed. DR1 is good.
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