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skasion posted:The Tana (modern River Don), which conveniently used to be called Vana I read somewhere that linguists have argued that germanic languages could have been a pidgin that evolved from PIE speaking groups encountering groups speaking a wildly different language. This in turn had been postulated to be linked to the vanir+aesir mythology where seemingly two pantheons have been melded. Though I think the vanir+aesir mythology was a thing mostly associated with scandinavia and not something that was recorded for other germanic speaking areas/peoples so it does not necessaily seem to be a great theory. Knowing nothing about linguistics nor anything about the modern consensus among historians, I have no real idea of how valid those ideas are or ever were.
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Is that why they're so ok with taking loan words (and just gluing six words together into one) versus (e.g.) the French who have a board of censors or some poo poo to see if a word can be allowed in?
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Aug 5, 2020 19:34
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Schadenboner posted:Is that why they're so ok with taking loan words (and just gluing six words together into one) versus (e.g.) the French who have a board of censors or some poo poo to see if a word can be allowed in? That's nationalism not linguistics And my understanding is that nobody gives a poo poo what words that board declares are okay unless you're writing something that needs to sound official
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Aug 5, 2020 19:35
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Zudgemud posted:I read somewhere that linguists have argued that germanic languages could have been a pidgin that evolved from PIE speaking groups encountering groups speaking a wildly different language. This in turn had been postulated to be linked to the vanir+aesir mythology where seemingly two pantheons have been melded. Though I think the vanir+aesir mythology was a thing mostly associated with scandinavia and not something that was recorded for other germanic speaking areas/peoples so it does not necessaily seem to be a great theory. The Germanic substrate theory is well known but poorly supported. I think nowadays the preferred consensus is that most of the weird Germanic vocabulary has an Indo-European etymology, and the case for the substrate is becoming weaker. But Germanic is maybe the most divergent Indo-European branch, so there is definitely a lot of questions that remain SlothfulCobra posted:I thought I read something a little while back that the grand theory of a singular proto-indo-european language was kinda dubious? Like with its main supporters really stretching to find any evidence and ignoring evidence to the contrary? You misunderstood something. PIE is very well established, the homeland is well established, and the internal topology is fairly well understood. It's possible that the Indo-European languages descend more from a dialect continuum than a single language, but that doesn't really change the reconstruction, location or timescale. Instead it might simplify some of the oddities of PIE
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Aug 5, 2020 19:37
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Yeah, it's very possible/likely there isn't a PIE language, but languages. But nobody serious thinks PIE never existed. The Horse, the Wheel, and Language goes surprisingly deep on the linguistics for a general audience book if you're interested.
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Aug 5, 2020 19:44
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Even if it was a variety of related languages at the time it started spreading rapidly, that just pushes the common ancestor language a bit further back. It doesn't mean there wasn't a common ancestor language
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Aug 5, 2020 19:46
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah, it's very possible/likely there isn't a PIE language, but languages. But nobody serious thinks PIE never existed. The Horse, the Wheel, and Language goes surprisingly deep on the linguistics for a general audience book if you're interested. Is it audiobookable or would stuff not transfer well. Like, Gleick's The Information seems like it's a great book but audio is a poor format for it?
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Aug 5, 2020 19:58
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Schadenboner posted:Is it audiobookable or would stuff not transfer well. There's a lot of charts and stuff written in reconstructed PIE and other languages, I think the audiobook would be pretty confusing.
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Aug 5, 2020 19:59
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Grand Fromage posted:There's a lot of charts and stuff written in reconstructed PIE and other languages, I think the audiobook would be pretty confusing.  , 1491 it is, then!
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Aug 5, 2020 20:05
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Some books are just a bad fit for audiobooking. Two of my books are like that, full of fascinating information about deep sea organisms, but so filled to the brim with maps, charts, diagrams and tables, an audiobook would only work if it could beam that poo poo straight into your brain
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Aug 5, 2020 20:09
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Why does everything need to be an audiobook? Why don't people just read?
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Aug 5, 2020 20:14
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Fish of hemp posted:Why does everything need to be an audiobook? Why don't people just read? I have a hard time falling asleep while reading (reading requiring the eyes to be opened) vis-à-vis audiobooks (which do not require the eyes to be open)? 
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Aug 5, 2020 20:16
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Fish of hemp posted:Why does everything need to be an audiobook? Why don't people just read? Audiobooks are good, OP.
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Grand Fromage posted:Audiobooks are good, OP. With the note that whomever decided "Unabridged Selections From..." could be classified in Audible as "Unabridged" should get Mongol'ed (or Hun'ed).
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Aug 5, 2020 20:20
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I could never use an audiobook, I already have a hard time with podcasts if they get over a certain lengths. Dan Carlin's infamous 4+ hour podcasts always need several attempts before I can get through them. Audiobooks are presumably even longer. No deal. Besides, I like to listen to loud music when reading, which combines badly with audiobooks on general principle
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Aug 5, 2020 20:27
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Fish of hemp posted:Why does everything need to be an audiobook? Why don't people just read?
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Aug 5, 2020 20:37
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I still prefer actual books (well, ebooks now) but audiobooks are good too. I like to have one going while playing vidya games or cooking or walking or driving or whatever. Podcasts fill up a lot of that time for me nowadays but I keep a store of audiobooks too.
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Aug 5, 2020 20:52
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I always get distracted when trying to listen to an audiobook. I solemnly swear never to download a podcast
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Aug 5, 2020 20:56
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Bongo Bill posted:I always get distracted when trying to listen to an audiobook. I solemnly swear never to download a podcast This is more about podcasts than audiobooks though. I wonder if the ancients had moments like this. 
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What's the thing where you do circumlocution to avoid saying someone's name (like how the Khajiit say "Zees one has question?" in Skyrim)? I want to say it's a levantine thing having to do with like the power of names or theophorics or something but hosed if I can  for this broad of a concept?
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Aug 5, 2020 21:22
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Nessus posted:I'm hoping they're a fad because it's irritating to have all sorts of important, relevant or just current information and topics be nestled in a three hour talk radio package. I could read it in twenty minutes instead. Doesn't Socrates spend a long-rear end time bitching about the evils of the written word?
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I used to be big into podcasts and audiobooks but I feel like I only retain about 10-20% of the information I'd retain if I was actually reading them. That's probably because I listen to them when I'm working yeah, but all the same I think there's a big advantage to actually seeing the words, getting to check the footnotes, and with ebooks being able to highlight stuff easily. There's so many times I find myself having to ctrl+f a relevant half-remembered detail to refresh myself when I'm writing something important like a Something Awful forums post, whereas I'm just poo poo out of luck if I got the information from an audio source. I guess it would work okay with the text to speech books via the iPhone books app or whatever where it is based off the searchable text, but that robot voice wore through me after a couple of months of it. e: these days I spend my working time much more productively, listening to Age of Empires 2 streams. Koramei fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Aug 5, 2020 |
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Schadenboner posted:What's the thing where you do circumlocution to avoid saying someone's name (like how the Khajiit say "Zees one has question?" in Skyrim)? If you're avoiding saying the name of a god/devil because the name has power, that would be euphemism. Not sure if that fully covers what you were thinking of, though.
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It's "illeism," which is to say, referring to oneself in the third person. It's also technically an honorific, as it carries information about the relative social status of the speaker and the addressee.
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Bongo Bill posted:It's "illeism," which is to say, referring to oneself in the third person. It's also technically an honorific, as it carries information about the relative social status of the speaker and the addressee. Sort of? I'm thinking more about there being a social taboo against saying someone else's name. I dunno, I think I'm having a hard time searching for it because I'm having a hard time expressing it and that's because I'm having a hard time defining it myself.
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Koramei posted:I used to be big into podcasts and audiobooks but I feel like I only retain about 10-20% of the information I'd retain if I was actually reading them. That's probably because I listen to them when I'm working yeah, but all the same I think there's a big advantage to actually seeing the words, getting to check the footnotes, and with ebooks being able to highlight stuff easily. There's so many times I find myself having to ctrl+f a relevant half-remembered detail to refresh myself when I'm writing something important like a Something Awful forums post, whereas I'm just poo poo out of luck if I got the information from an audio source. I guess it would work okay with the text to speech books via the iPhone books app or whatever where it is based off the searchable text, but that robot voice wore through me after a couple of months of it. i think this depends strongly on the presentation of the material. a lot of books just don't translate into audio very well; the really good podcasts like revolutions are tailored to an audio experience. i find myself remembering about the same amount as i would for a written book listening to mike duncan or dan carlin (who you have to admit has an incredibly memorable delivery style, in spite of his other flaws), where an audiobook of a good written history book is almost inevitably going to feel kind of slow and hard to focus on. audio just demands a different approach.
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IF you can learn the true name name of a powerful demon/spirit/angel/whatever it gives you power over them and allows you to force them to work for you. After doing some incredibly convoluted ritual to summon them first (obviously).
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FreudianSlippers posted:IF you can learn the true name name of a powerful demon/spirit/angel/whatever it gives you power over them and allows you to force them to work for you. After doing some incredibly convoluted ritual to summon them first (obviously). pictured: the incredibly convoluted ritual that summons rome once you learn its true name 
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Rome's secret name is Reme
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There's over a century of history to people listening to Audiobooks while working, https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/71485/lectores-who-read-cubas-cigar-rollers quote:
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I think monkos also had some dude reading to them during meals or some poo poo?
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Tunicate posted:There's over a century of history to people listening to Audiobooks while working, Can’t leave me hanging like that, was the book dirty or not?
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:pictured: the incredibly convoluted ritual that summons rome once you learn its true name b..byzantium?
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skasion posted:Can’t leave me hanging like that, was the book dirty or not? It's really hard to find out what book this was. It might be Émile Zola's "La Curée/The Kill", but the Spanish translation is called "La jauría" according to Wikipedia. e: maybe it was a Catalan translation? Zopotantor fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Aug 6, 2020 |
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Zopotantor posted:It's really hard to find out what book this was. It might be Émile Zola's "La Curée/The Kill", but the Spanish translation is called "La jauría" according to Wikipedia. A few minutes searching comes up with this. My Spanish is pretty bad after a few decades of not using it, so I probably won't look for naughty bits in it to determine if it's appropriate for fin de siecle lady factory workers.
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sullat posted:A few minutes searching comes up with this. My Spanish is pretty bad after a few decades of not using it, so I probably won't look for naughty bits in it to determine if it's appropriate for fin de siecle lady factory workers. NSFFDSLFW
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This discussion about audiobook/reading book reminds me of a little tidbit that I read, about how you can read faster and think faster than you (or someone else) talks, which means that listening to an audiobook takes longer than reading the book.
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Rosemont posted:This discussion about audiobook/reading book reminds me of a little tidbit that I read, about how you can read faster and think faster than you (or someone else) talks, which means that listening to an audiobook takes longer than reading the book. This is true, but it's also why most audiobook players allow you to speed up tracks so you can hear them faster.
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Oh, yeah, I'm aware. I don't use audiobooks myself because I retain far less than I would if I was reading a physical book, and as already mentioned there's some books that just don't translate well. On something more relevant to the thread topic, what would be a good source if you wanted more information about fashion in the classical era? Movies and tv shows like to default to togas on people, but I know there was more than that out there that people wore.
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