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Aphrodite posted:Superhero movies are one where it’s not uncommon for sequels to outdo the original. Sometimes even the 3rd movie pulls it off. This is exemplified in Thor: Ragnarok.
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Aphrodite posted:Superhero movies are one where it’s not uncommon for sequels to outdo the original. Sometimes even the 3rd movie pulls it off. This is a trap they make for themselves, though. Studios have convinced themselves that every superhero series needs to start with the origin story, even if we already know it. So it's not even that 'superhero sequels are better', it's more 'superhero debuts are worse'. It doesn't even have to be that way, because it's not true of most of the big superhero movies before, like, Spider-Man. Reeves' Superman didn't have to have an origin story, the 1989 Batman only kinda did by basically intertwining Batman's origin into an otherwise normal Batman/Joker story, Blade didn't even pretend to bother, X-Men was more an 'introduction story' than an 'origin' for everyone but, like, Rogue. It's probably just Spider-Man and Iron Man accidentally setting a precedent everyone's now scared to deviate from. Raimi's Spider-Man specifically wanted to have a story about Spidey's early days, Iron Man had the challenge of introducing what was basically a C-lister with a relatively complex concept to a wider audience (a problem Blade didn't have, everyone understands 'vampire hunter'). Now everyone just goes 'but we need to do an origin story' without asking if they REALLY need to do an origin story.
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Jul 4, 2020 12:18
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Captain Monkey posted:This is exemplified in Thor: Ragnarok. Thor bucked the trend by starting good, getting bad, and then a redeeming 3rd movie. And Spiderman: Homecoming at least spared us a third Spidey origin story in less than 2 decades. It also finally gave us an age appropriate Aunt May.
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Jul 4, 2020 12:28
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Cleretic posted:This is a trap they make for themselves, though. Studios have convinced themselves that every superhero series needs to start with the origin story, even if we already know it. So it's not even that 'superhero sequels are better', it's more 'superhero debuts are worse'. It doesn't even have to be that way, because it's not true of most of the big superhero movies before, like, Spider-Man. Reeves' Superman didn't have to have an origin story, the 1989 Batman only kinda did by basically intertwining Batman's origin into an otherwise normal Batman/Joker story, Blade didn't even pretend to bother, X-Men was more an 'introduction story' than an 'origin' for everyone but, like, Rogue. Reminded how X-Men was made basically as a superhero concept where they didn't have to do origin stories.
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Jul 4, 2020 12:31
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I don't really mind a new origin story, if it's done well, but Spiderman - everyone had ready seen it twice. Gets just a tad boring.
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Jul 4, 2020 12:31
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Krispy Wafer posted:Thor bucked the trend by starting good, getting bad, and then a redeeming 3rd movie. C'mon, it started "alright", I don't know about "good". Certainly the third movie more than made up for the shortcomings of the first two.
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Jul 4, 2020 12:57
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I’m pretty sure I’ve seen Bruce Wayne’s parents being murdered at least a dozen times at this point. Didn’t they even shoehorn it into Suicide Squad for no reason?
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Jul 4, 2020 13:03
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Memento posted:C'mon, it started "alright", I don't know about "good". Certainly the third movie more than made up for the shortcomings of the first two. I mean, going back to it now it's kind of just "alright" but I remember thining it was pretty good when it came out- superhero movies have just come a pretty decent way since then, so it's kind of generic and not up to the standards of, say, any marvel movie since Cap 2. That was the point where Marvel movies started really doing their own thing beyond "2000's superhero movie" stuff.
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Jul 4, 2020 13:03
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I mean, going back to it now it's kind of just "alright" but I remember thining it was pretty good when it came out- superhero movies have just come a pretty decent way since then, so it's kind of generic and not up to the standards of, say, any marvel movie since Cap 2. That was the point where Marvel movies started really doing their own thing beyond "2000's superhero movie" stuff. A friend of mine was planning on watching all the marvel movies in order, and we were talking about Thor (amongst others), and I'd totally agree; For its time it was pretty good. You have to consider the majority of comic book movies that came before it, and considering that its Thor, so its not just a "heres a dude with powers/a suit that give him powers in a world roughly the same as ours" but instead having to introduce "Yeah, there are super powerful aliens who are sort of the norse gods, but also sort of not really?", and was the most out there of the first few marvel movies in terms of design (the Kirby inspired Asgardians as opposed to Iron Man or Hulk where again most of the world looks like ours, and most people dress like real people). Its just that marvel movies fairly quickly moved to the point where they didnt have to be just "superhero movie" but could be "space opera with superheroes" or "heist move, with superheroes", so in comparison to movies that came out within a few years of it Thor 1 looks kind of unambitious and by the numbers. I know a lot of people get sniffy about marvel movies, but if nothing else you have to be impressed that Marvel, over the course of a decade, got to the point where they can make successful (and fun) summer blockbuster movies out of the Guardians of the Galaxy and goddamn Ant Man. I've been a comic book fan since I was a kid, and the worst of the MCU movies is still miles above the quality of the average comicbook movie of the 90s.
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Jul 4, 2020 13:36
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BioEnchanted posted:It reminds me of Peter Capaldi's turn as The doctor - he looks terrifying, can be ruthless, but internally he is a fairly good person even if he has to make hard decisions (despite his thoughtless cruelty in Kill the Moon, a bad episode with a good final scene) - his entire character is summed up in one exchange with Clara: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWJGaUXmKA
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Jul 4, 2020 13:44
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I really liked the first Thor since the whole fish out of water thing worked well with an Asgardian asking for the largest dog to ride. Mjölnir also set up some good physical comedy. As far as origin stories go it felt pretty natural and not forced. The second film was just terrible though. I honestly had issues* with the third, but it was wondrous compared to what came immediately before it. *Hela is supposed to be half-dead dammit. At least give her a cloudy eye and maybe a slightly worse complexion on half her face.
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Jul 4, 2020 13:51
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Roblo posted:I don't really mind a new origin story, if it's done well, but Spiderman - everyone had ready seen it twice. Gets just a tad boring. Spider-Verse has a lot of jokes about this. Krispy Wafer posted:I really liked the first Thor since the whole fish out of water thing worked well with an Asgardian asking for the largest dog to ride. Mjölnir also set up some good physical comedy. As far as origin stories go it felt pretty natural and not forced. The second film was just terrible though. I honestly had issues* with the third, but it was wondrous compared to what came immediately before it. That's the least of the liberties the franchise takes with North mythology, you just gotta roll with it I love that the whole concept of the movie is basically Asgard's imperialist past and suppression of its bloody history of conquest and colonialism come back to bite it. Also the 'prisoners with jobs' line.
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Jul 4, 2020 14:09
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SiKboy posted:A friend of mine was planning on watching all the marvel movies in order, and we were talking about Thor (amongst others) I'm doing a MCU marathon at the moment, just watched Civil War which I still love. The first Thor movie is fun, but kinda feels like filler in the series. Thor 2 I watched three weeks ago and I'd be hard pressed to tell you anything about it. At the time of watching, I noted that the plot, script, and acting were all fine, but the direction made the entire thing dull as dishwater, and my inability to remember it backs this up.
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Jul 4, 2020 15:00
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Krispy Wafer posted:Thor bucked the trend by starting good, getting bad, and then a redeeming 3rd movie. I maintain that if they ever show Uncle Ben, he need to be Jason Alexander.
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Jul 4, 2020 15:29
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BioEnchanted posted:his entire character is summed up in one exchange https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQTlT8-qYUk
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Jul 4, 2020 15:39
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Krispy Wafer posted:
I mean... While she is the right age in terms of how old you'd expect the aunt of a high schooler to be, it's not comic accurate, at least not the ones until maybe the 2000s/Ultimate series. Aunt May was always portrayed as an old lady one fall in the shower away from death. To the point that for a long while I assumed she was a great aunt because of how old she looked.
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Jul 4, 2020 15:47
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I’m pretty sure I’ve seen Bruce Wayne’s parents being murdered at least a dozen times at this point. Didn’t they even shoehorn it into Suicide Squad for no reason? Everyone else in the superhero business is getting a multi-picture deal these days, why not Thomas Wayne?
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Jul 4, 2020 16:28
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DrBouvenstein posted:I mean... While she is the right age in terms of how old you'd expect the aunt of a high schooler to be, it's not comic accurate, at least not the ones until maybe the 2000s/Ultimate series. Yeah, great-aunt versus aunt makes a lot of difference and it's weird it's never been addressed. In Amazing Spider-man, Parker's dad is played by Campbell Scott and his Uncle Ben is Martin Sheen, which age-wise could mean brothers (20 or so year difference) or uncle/nephew. I think that's the only time I've seen an actor play Parker's dad so I don't have anything else to go by for reference. Not sure if he's ever showed up in the comics. It's just odd that we got a Black Spider-man before we got an Aunt May who isn't old as poo poo. Now we have some variety (Spiderverse Spider-man's Aunt May being at least not elderly).
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Jul 4, 2020 17:27
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MichiganCubbie posted:I maintain that if they ever show Uncle Ben, he need to be Jason Alexander. Joe Pesci.
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Jul 4, 2020 18:51
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Krispy Wafer posted:Yeah, great-aunt versus aunt makes a lot of difference and it's weird it's never been addressed. In Amazing Spider-man, Parker's dad is played by Campbell Scott and his Uncle Ben is Martin Sheen, which age-wise could mean brothers (20 or so year difference) or uncle/nephew. I think that's the only time I've seen an actor play Parker's dad so I don't have anything else to go by for reference. Not sure if he's ever showed up in the comics. Spiderverse Aunt May was also apparently a friend of Liv.
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Jul 4, 2020 18:52
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The Doc Ock / Aunt May relationship went down the same way in Miles' universe as it did in the comics
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Jul 4, 2020 19:02
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RandomFerret posted:The Doc Ock / Aunt May relationship went down the same way in Miles' universe as it did in the comics Isn't that just a fan cover and not an actual thing based entirely on a throwaway line that fandom took and ran with?
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Jul 4, 2020 19:31
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Not exactly. Dr. Octopus did marry Aunt May.
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Jul 4, 2020 19:34
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In that timeline Uncle Ben is a divorced man living in a sad IKEA furnished apartment after Aunt May came out. They're still friends though. Who is the Spider-man shooting the web? The dead Spider-man? How is that scene even happening?
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Jul 4, 2020 19:37
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MichiganCubbie posted:I maintain that if they ever show Uncle Ben, he need to be Jason Alexander. I don't follow Spiderman at all (though enough to get this reference), but I'd absolutely love to see this. RandomFerret posted:Chris Farley's Shrek hews much closer to the original book, which would have made a terrible movie There was a book?!
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Jul 5, 2020 00:40
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Krispy Wafer posted:In that timeline Uncle Ben is a divorced man living in a sad IKEA furnished apartment after Aunt May came out. They're still friends though. It's an adventure before he died.
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Jul 5, 2020 01:07
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In the show Friends, during the episode about rosss sandwich, he has a mental breakdown after his boss confessed to throwing away the sandwich. Even though the boss appears in one later episode, it’s heavily implied Ross has actually murdered his boss because of the sandwich ordeal TLDR: Ross cross boss after sandwich toss
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Jul 5, 2020 01:21
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oldpainless posted:In the show Friends, during the episode about rosss sandwich, he has a mental breakdown after his boss confessed to throwing away the sandwich. Even though the boss appears in one later episode, it’s heavily implied Ross has actually murdered his boss because of the sandwich ordeal The moistmaker?!
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Jul 5, 2020 01:49
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oldpainless posted:TLDR: Ross cross boss after sandwich toss https://youtu.be/gG62zay3kck
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Jul 5, 2020 02:00
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I don't follow Spiderman at all (though enough to get this reference), but I'd absolutely love to see this. 
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Jul 5, 2020 04:22
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Yeah, the book is just "Shrek is ugly and stinks to high hell, everyone hates him and he LOVES it. He meets a donkey. He's awful a bunch and then meets a princess who's also very very ugly and they both LOVE it." I forget if they have very ugly kids at the end, but they definitely get married.
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Jul 5, 2020 05:06
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oldpainless posted:
What is this, a The Sun headline?
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Jul 5, 2020 05:24
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oldpainless posted:In the show Friends, during the episode about rosss sandwich, he has a mental breakdown after his boss confessed to throwing away the sandwich. Even though the boss appears in one later episode, it’s heavily implied Ross has actually murdered his boss because of the sandwich ordeal Was this in the game?
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Jul 5, 2020 05:30
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Why does that book talk about Shrek's sizzling hot knob
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Jul 5, 2020 07:25
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Krispy Wafer posted:Who is the Spider-man shooting the web? The dead Spider-man? How is that scene even happening? Oh jeez, alright, let's do this ONE more time
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Jul 5, 2020 07:55
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Krispy Wafer posted:Yeah, great-aunt versus aunt makes a lot of difference and it's weird it's never been addressed. In Amazing Spider-man, Parker's dad is played by Campbell Scott and his Uncle Ben is Martin Sheen, which age-wise could mean brothers (20 or so year difference) or uncle/nephew. I think that's the only time I've seen an actor play Parker's dad so I don't have anything else to go by for reference. Not sure if he's ever showed up in the comics. Yes, Peter's parents both show up in the comics (kind of). At some point during Spider-man's history it is revealed that both his parents were spies working for SHIELD. When Peter is pretty young (6-ish) they go on a secret mission and don't return - they supposedly died in a plane crash. He's not told of their secret lives, but I forget what their cover story is. They are later branded as double agents, working for the Red Skull/Hydra and traitors to the USA (They actually weren't). Oh and Peter has a sister or half-sister. Maybe. During the 90's (when most stupid comic book poo poo happened) Peter's parents suddenly appeared at Aunt May's doorstep one day and there's a grand reunion. Until it turns out that they were fakes (robot/clone duplicates) sent to kill Peter in a revenge scheme concocted by...oh you've dozed off I see.
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Jul 6, 2020 05:43
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Didn't he also have like a half sister or something that had the same spider powers as him, somehow, and was an assassin? I think the dude that was in charge of her was called something like The Gentleman.
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Jul 6, 2020 07:54
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I was about to ask if Paula Parker had powers too because those abilities aren’t genetic, but...comics.
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Jul 6, 2020 12:30
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Didn't he also have like a half sister or something that had the same spider powers as him, somehow, and was an assassin? I think the dude that was in charge of her was called something like The Gentleman. There was someone who went by “Silk” who was bitten by the same spider that got Spider-Man. She had the same powers and was kept in a facility or some poo poo.
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rotinaj posted:There was someone who went by “Silk” who was bitten by the same spider that got Spider-Man. She had the same powers and was kept in a facility or some poo poo. And she and Peter were drawn together by their Spidey-senses or something and got mad rutty.
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