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Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD

HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

Yeah, King Arthur is super overdone. A whole two not very good games is far too much for Arthurian content in the strategy game space.

I mean in general. It doesn't matter to me what medium its on anything King Arthur related is boring rear end poo poo that didn't need to get made. Ditto the Illiad and Odyssey. It doesn't matter if it's a movie, a play, or choose your own adventure book - it's been done to death and I'm sick of it.

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yikes!
Jul 5, 2006




Soiled Meat

I feel the same about spearmanii collision simulators

Chocobo
Oct 15, 2012


Here comes a new challenger!


Oven Wrangler

Turn 14 Marquis, this time I backstabbed Sun Jian and netted Liu Biao's support before striking north and grabbing Yuan Shu's support. For as terrible as I thought Yuan Shu was, he sure gets the ball rolling quick.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!





30 years’ war
English civil war
Warring states China
Egypt v Hyrkanians deathmatch
Wars of the kingdom of Mali
Mongol conquests v1 You Khan too
Mongol conquests v2 this time it’s Mughal

Even Empire but not poo poo

So many good periods they can still cover without just mashing spearman together.

Also it would be amazing to see future iterations of the engine model discipline more subtly, maybe with troops losing cohesion faster and visibly disintegrating into mobs before they break, or well drilled troops doing that rotation thing Vorenus does in the first episode of the HBO Rome series.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

I mean the mongol period would be horse archer hell which is not something I would want to play a whole game based around

Stanley Tucheetos
May 15, 2012



Grimey Drawer

Chocobo posted:

For as terrible as I thought Yuan Shu was, he sure gets the ball rolling quick.

Historically pretty accurate. No one liked yuan shu. At the time he was one of the top warlords. Unfortunately for him he miscalculated and used the imperial seal to claim his right as emperor before that was the cool thing to do. As you can guess this angered all the other warlords and the han loyalists. Even the Sun family which were his vassals at the time and had the loyalty of his best officers abandoned him. This ultimately led to his death and defeat at the hands Cao Cao, Liu Bei, and Lu Bu.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

0.000% of Communism has been built.
Evil, child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit eating grin.

All he has managed to do is make himself *sad*.

Instead of building communism, he now builds a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.





Just make bare bones Rome 3 or medieval 3 in the 3k engine and throw it to the modders imo

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??



CharlestheHammer posted:

I mean the mongol period would be horse archer hell which is not something I would want to play a whole game based around

Not really. The mongols were extraordinarily adaptable; a total war that tried to cover the full breadth of their conquests would easily have the most varied roster of any historical tw

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

That’s not really how TW operates. Every faction has their core units and some auxiliaries I suppose. Like the Romans to used a ton of different poo poo but in the end heavy infantry was the focus

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011


Spearmanii could be interesting, but you'd have to really vary infantry roles and effectiveness, and make infantry the focus of the tactical game. Even then they'd likely be visually boring. At that point, you're probably better off just trying to make a different genre game altogether. I'm not saying I wouldn't play some kind of lovingly-crafted hyper-grognard medieval wargame strategy/sim, but it wouldn't really be Total War either.

e: From what I've seen of the terrain types and attempts to add infantry roles, they seem to be trying to change some of it up somewhat and I'm curious how that works out.

tuyop
Sep 14, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted


Fun Shoe

What does this symbol over my troops mean? It's in the unit display as well.

yikes!
Jul 5, 2006




Soiled Meat

tuyop posted:

What does this symbol over my troops mean? It's in the unit display as well.



your units have guerilla deployment

Captain Beans
Aug 5, 2004

Whar be the beans?

Hair Elf

tuyop posted:

What does this symbol over my troops mean? It's in the unit display as well.



They can deploy outside of the green deployment box

but not outside of the white deployment box (you can't deploy RIGHT next to the enemy deployment red zone)

Beefeater1980 posted:

30 years’ war
English civil war
Warring states China
Egypt v Hyrkanians deathmatch
Wars of the kingdom of Mali
Mongol conquests v1 You Khan too
Mongol conquests v2 this time it’s Mughal

Even Empire but not poo poo

So many good periods they can still cover without just mashing spearman together.

Also it would be amazing to see future iterations of the engine model discipline more subtly, maybe with troops losing cohesion faster and visibly disintegrating into mobs before they break, or well drilled troops doing that rotation thing Vorenus does in the first episode of the HBO Rome series.

Total War Arena (rip) had the shield bash, unit rotate ranks thing for some roman legion units, it was indeed very bad rear end. so many good ideas in that game on how to make the combat more interesting, especially how pikes and hoplite phalanx worked with the advancing/fatiuge system. the idea to have some big units have abilities to deal damage on units knocked on the ground as you trampled them was great, it was very satisfying to have elephants stomp AOE knockdown then walk all over them smashing them dead.

Captain Beans fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Jul 26, 2020

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?


That's the sort of thing that doesn't work in the bigger total war games because of the micro though. I already kinda get bored pausing the game so i can deploy my 8 fanatics or whatever.

MrMojok
Jan 27, 2011



CharlestheHammer posted:

I mean the mongol period would be horse archer hell which is not something I would want to play a whole game based around

This is how I play TW: Attila, as the one with the horse archers

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010



I would like more of the various tribal units added to 3k. That'd be neat. Tied to buildings like the Qiang are. Maybe make them region dependent so you get less Han units the more you move away from the central plains thunderdome.

E: The Glaive Unit Pack posted a little while ago has been discontinued for a Wood Unit Pack and it's very nice. Highly recommend the 3 Unit Pack mods as it fills out the roster nicely and gives you a lot of options.

Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Jul 27, 2020

Dramicus
Mar 26, 2010


Grimey Drawer

Communist Thoughts posted:

Just make bare bones Rome 3 or medieval 3 in the 3k engine and throw it to the modders imo

This p.much. Rome 2 is still quite playable, so I'd like to see Med 3. That or they just go nuts and make their own fantasy game.

puppets freak me out
Dec 18, 2015



Don't know why I never tried Ma Teng before, once you get your opening moves down it's a delight to play.
Haven't even cheesed to get Lu Bu or Sun Ce, it's been so much fun to ignore ranged units and blast everyone with a small number of shield infantry and a whole lot of horses.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?


Dramicus posted:

This p.much. Rome 2 is still quite playable, so I'd like to see Med 3. That or they just go nuts and make their own fantasy game.

Give me med 3 and give me units with armour that actually looks better when upgraded again.

It's honestly the one feature i miss from that game.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010




Azran
Sep 3, 2012

I am the real hero here.


As Liu Chong in 190, who do you go for at first? Yuan Shu?

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010



Azran posted:

As Liu Chong in 190, who do you go for at first? Yuan Shu?
Yeah, Yuan Shu but be very wary of Cao Cao. He tends to strike when you're neck deep fighting Yuan Shu.

Meyers-Briggs Testicle
Aug 13, 2012

But without the hero, there is no Event.


Buglord

Flipswitch posted:

Yeah, Yuan Shu but be very wary of Cao Cao. He tends to strike when you're neck deep fighting Yuan Shu.

"Tends to" = "will" in my experience lol

I'm like 3/3 of that happening to the point I settle with yuan shu early and brace for the assault

Dramicus
Mar 26, 2010


Grimey Drawer

dogstile posted:

Give me med 3 and give me units with armour that actually looks better when upgraded again.

It's honestly the one feature i miss from that game.

That was honestly a great feature and a smart way of dealing with the march of technology without having to create entirely new units for each period. The same spearman unit could fit in the early, mid and late periods by upgrading the armor and weapons. I sort of wish they did something similar for Warhammer, as seeing your army visibly change as you research technologies would be cool. Though, in 3k the weapon and armor mechanics seem to mostly be geared towards heroes.

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??



I guess the next update will be adding pass fortresses and the nanman, so that's neat.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I just pretend to be nice.


Lipstick Apathy

Wait has there been an announcement? I aint seen anything

VietCampo
Aug 24, 2010


It's in the dev blog post for july. Amazon dlc for Troy is also gonna be free if you have a TW access account.

https://www.totalwar.com/blog/dev-blog-july-2020/

Dramicus
Mar 26, 2010


Grimey Drawer

VietCampo posted:

It's in the dev blog post for july. Amazon dlc for Troy is also gonna be free if you have a TW access account.

https://www.totalwar.com/blog/dev-blog-july-2020/

No multiplayer until November. Troy looks like more of a goddamn mess every time they talk about it.

ACValiant
Sep 7, 2005

"Life is not a song, sweetling.
Someday you may learn that, to your sorrow."

I wonder how much money they make from those blood DLCs. It just seems like such a petty amount but they do it for every new game they release.

Dramicus
Mar 26, 2010


Grimey Drawer

ACValiant posted:

I wonder how much money they make from those blood DLCs. It just seems like such a petty amount but they do it for every new game they release.

In theory it's because Sega insists on a teen release rating, because apparently that affects sales, though I really don't buy that considering most teens are playing poo poo like GTA and CoD. I doubt their parents would draw the line at an RTS with a little tomato sauce splashing around.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?


I didn't mind when they released the blood DLC for a pittance but the price keeps going up and up. I'm sure it was only £1 when they first came out.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I just pretend to be nice.


Lipstick Apathy

VietCampo posted:

It's in the dev blog post for july. Amazon dlc for Troy is also gonna be free if you have a TW access account.

https://www.totalwar.com/blog/dev-blog-july-2020/

Oh cool thanks


also

quote:

the second ‘Expansion Pack’ DLC that will focus on building out the North of the map.

sick

Meyers-Briggs Testicle
Aug 13, 2012

But without the hero, there is no Event.


Buglord

i really hope the nanman comes with all the weird siege engines they supposedly built like juggernauts etc

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010



Looking forward to more stuff. Wonder if the Han hero will be Shi Xie?

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here




They must have got a pretty good deal from Epic to be able to fund this much support for a saga title.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010



Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:

i really hope the nanman comes with all the weird siege engines they supposedly built like juggernauts etc
I hope it comes with Zhurong.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?




I'm thinking it's more likely that their schedules got shifted by the Epic deal and everything else going on, and instead of having everything in from the start, they're partitioning content over a longer period of time. Less about support, more about early access.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

0.000% of Communism has been built.
Evil, child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit eating grin.

All he has managed to do is make himself *sad*.

Instead of building communism, he now builds a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.





I am excite for scythian amazons I gotta say
Every other faction is meh

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

We have the dimension of an empire.


hyped for troy but mostly because it's free

The trojan war has amazing characters which i'm interested to see in-game.

Dramicus posted:

No multiplayer until November. Troy looks like more of a goddamn mess every time they talk about it.

I keep forgetting people play multiplayer total war

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ACValiant
Sep 7, 2005

"Life is not a song, sweetling.
Someday you may learn that, to your sorrow."

Mans posted:

hyped for troy but mostly because it's free

The trojan war has amazing characters which i'm interested to see in-game.


I keep forgetting people play multiplayer total war

Yeah that is such a foreign life to me. I've never had an interest in that at all.

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