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Vagabong posted:Are civil wars broken in Three Kingdoms? I've only ever seen them happen in game when they're mentioned in that event after Dong's death, but nothing seems to actually occur on the map. I don't even know what happens to Li Jue and Gou Si for the event since I still see them in the faction half the time. Actually getting a civil war to fire is tricky but it can happen, I've done it a few times, and even had it happen to me once. But usually the characters in positions to cause Civil Wars won't have the satisfaction low enough to trigger it without some effort. Though Han Sui always seems to start in Civil War with Han Xin in the 200 start.
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 20:24 |
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Have literally never seen or encountered and un-scripted civil war in 400 hours of play.
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# ? Apr 25, 2021 19:59 |
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McTimmy posted:I don't even know what happens to Li Jue and Gou Si for the event since I still see them in the faction half the time.
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MiddleOne posted:Have literally never seen or encountered and un-scripted civil war in 400 hours of play. Same. I'm rarely in a position where my generals are that unhappy with me. On the other hand, happiness in generals is a pretty un-fun mechanic anyway so I'm glad I'm not worrying about it all that much. I wouldn't mind if they changed it up so that it mattered but give me better ways of dealing with it rather than giving them a court position.
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# ? Apr 25, 2021 21:44 |
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You could simply play as the good guy faction and have all your officers be brothers by default, but I guess benevolence doesn't come easy to everyone.
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# ? Apr 25, 2021 22:04 |
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The only time I had general satisfaction crisis was with Southern Barbarian factions big decision. I'm trying to play as Dong Zhuo on earliest start, and I'm doing pretty bad job at it. All provinces are spread out far, enemies come from 3 directions, and there's no way I could both secure my base, go after YT, and hit the missions. I imagine all it takes is to defend and then hit the event chain for that sweet auto-annexation.
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# ? Apr 25, 2021 22:06 |
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ACValiant posted:I wouldn't mind if they changed it up so that it mattered but give me better ways of dealing with it rather than giving them a court position.
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# ? Apr 26, 2021 13:45 |
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From what I remember the civil war gives them a large penalty to satisfaction among other penalties, in addition to the other penalties if the enemy escapes. That said Dong Zhuo and Li Jue have been in a lot of trouble lately, one time Gong Du captured Chang'an and the emperor mechanic disappeared on like turn 20 . In most cases I don't think satisfaction is a big deal, either you give them a title or an admin position and that will probably carry you to the prime minister court along with ancillaries, since as far as I know the AI can't use turncoats against you. Some factions have decent early heir options too that will solve your satisfaction problem as well, like Lady Mi or Bian. I guess there are the -30 satisfaction faction council missions now but the AI isn't really targeted enough to use them properly. You don't really need to keep all your officers happy anyways, just the good ones. RoyalScion fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Apr 26, 2021 |
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I've found that you can juggle giving someone a misc title for a couple years until you have other factors jumping their satisfaction up, then taking away the misc title doesnt drop them neagtive enough to matter. I think its usually when I get/grab an emperor seat and suddenly have three more people contributing their Authority to making people happy and providing any traits or skills that give +faction wide satisfaction. And tech, of course.RoyalScion posted:You don't really need to keep all your officers happy anyways, just the good ones.
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# ? Apr 26, 2021 22:31 |
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I once did kickstart a civil war back near release for Cao Cao. I got Cao Pi to start his own thing and watched as the son gobbled up his father's lands while I took little pieces away from them. Then Cao Pi died and Cao Cao was the heir.
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# ? Apr 27, 2021 01:26 |
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I kinda hope Liu Bei gets some mechanic rework in the future, Unity is such a boring mechanic.
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# ? Apr 27, 2021 09:58 |
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I think despite the campaign mechanics in general being good, the diff factions are really poorly distinguished between eachother in terms of gameplay. It's weird cause warhammer has dozens of factions that all play noticeably different but 3k has 4 factions and I don't think any of them play particularly thematically on the map.
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# ? Apr 27, 2021 12:04 |
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Flipswitch posted:I kinda hope Liu Bei gets some mechanic rework in the future, Unity is such a boring mechanic. Peasants for free? I mean you are right of course, it's pretty dull. Communist Thoughts posted:I think despite the campaign mechanics in general being good, the diff factions are really poorly distinguished between eachother in terms of gameplay. Kinda wish they wouldn't have spent so much effort on the Nanman only to have them locked away in a corner for most games.
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# ? Apr 27, 2021 12:06 |
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You know what's bullshit? Getting hit by Cao Cao's minus food scheme on your first couple of turns.
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Communist Thoughts posted:I think despite the campaign mechanics in general being good, the diff factions are really poorly distinguished between eachother in terms of gameplay. This is generally a problem with any historical TW title. There's not a lot of periods in history where groups that were right next to each other were all that different in terms of warfare. Let's say they did a 100 Years TW. Historically speaking both sides fielded exactly the same kind of troops. The story that gets told is Agincourt was a triumph of English archery vs Frech mounted knights so any TW game is going to exaggerate that and give England really good ranged units and France really good heavy cav but that's about as different as they're going to get. I don't think there's a solution to this. Any two armies that face each other in any given period are going to be very similar in their composition.
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# ? Apr 27, 2021 13:08 |
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alex314 posted:You know what's bullshit? Getting hit by Cao Cao's minus food scheme on your first couple of turns. Communist Thoughts posted:I think despite the campaign mechanics in general being good, the diff factions are really poorly distinguished between eachother in terms of gameplay. AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Apr 27, 2021 |
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Funky See Funky Do posted:This is generally a problem with any historical TW title. There's not a lot of periods in history where groups that were right next to each other were all that different in terms of warfare. Let's say they did a 100 Years TW. Historically speaking both sides fielded exactly the same kind of troops. The story that gets told is Agincourt was a triumph of English archery vs Frech mounted knights so any TW game is going to exaggerate that and give England really good ranged units and France really good heavy cav but that's about as different as they're going to get. The solution is to have never played total warhammer and thus have the status quo feel perfectly fine.
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# ? Apr 27, 2021 20:32 |
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complaining about troop diversity is weird because that's the genre. it's a historical battle simulator. i dont play tw3k and complain about no dating-sim elements or lack of crafting mechanics, its not that kind of game. you sign up for historical total war, you get guys with spears.
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# ? Apr 27, 2021 23:38 |
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:complaining about troop diversity is weird because that's the genre. it's a historical battle simulator. i dont play tw3k and complain about no dating-sim elements or lack of crafting mechanics, its not that kind of game. you sign up for historical total war, you get guys with spears. i dunno rome total war had incendiary battle pigs
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# ? Apr 27, 2021 23:55 |
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Army cosmetics when you hit the three kingdoms era would be good to help diversify it. Even if the stats are the same. Bit like how the three kingdoms TV series diversified the troops. Also Wei Shu and Wu did use varied tactics and troop compositions so more uniques would help tell them apart.
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 00:02 |
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:i dunno rome total war had incendiary battle pigs "When the enemy fights nude, bring hot hogs" - Herodotus
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 00:10 |
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:complaining about troop diversity is weird because that's the genre. it's a historical battle simulator. i dont play tw3k and complain about no dating-sim elements or lack of crafting mechanics, its not that kind of game. you sign up for historical total war, you get guys with spears. nah
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 00:21 |
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If I were designing 3K, I'd give the very important officers uniques as well as reforms at each rank. Lu Bu's retinue would be totally different to Zhang Fei's. The uniformity of the ranks and distinctness of each faction would rise at each level. The major kingdoms would recruit from a totally different pool than the Han commons. I still love the game, and all that represents a lot more work, but goddamn, I'd love it.
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 00:28 |
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Funky See Funky Do posted:This is generally a problem with any historical TW title.
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 00:32 |
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:complaining about troop diversity is weird because that's the genre. it's a historical battle simulator. i dont play tw3k and complain about no dating-sim elements or lack of crafting mechanics, its not that kind of game. you sign up for historical total war, you get guys with spears. If anything there are way too many guys with swords and nowhere near enough guys with spears. Ravenfood fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Apr 28, 2021 |
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I am here to complain about the lack of dating sims. Koei Techmo guide me. https://twitter.com/ChefLuBu_ATL/status/1386702325805461508/photo/1
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 00:58 |
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still seems more fun than the recent shibusawa-branded strategy games, frankly
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 01:01 |
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I am also here to complain about how someone wields a spear why are they doing it that way
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 01:28 |
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:If I were designing 3K, I'd give the very important officers uniques as well as reforms at each rank. Lu Bu's retinue would be totally different to Zhang Fei's. The uniformity of the ranks and distinctness of each faction would rise at each level. The major kingdoms would recruit from a totally different pool than the Han commons.
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 01:34 |
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Yeah, there's plenty to distinguish the different Total Warhammer races beyond just the units available. Different types of campaign objectives, unique currencies, different available army stances, different interactions with overworld terrain types, extremely well-defined color schemes, different tech trees. There's plenty of room to make spearmanii factions distinct through other means, at least for the campaign.
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 03:06 |
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Flipswitch posted:TROM does this, it's a nice touch. White Horse Fellows are GSZ only for example, and only Liu Bei's close officers get Oath Fellows. I think only Big Ears himself gets Buqu of the Left. Exactly, that’s why I like TROM so much, though it’s still somewhat limited in scope.
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 03:39 |
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Though speaking of dudes with spears, it was a shame in Troy that there actually were not enough dudes with spears where top tier units more often had anything but a spear. Look Troy is the one time I actually want 90% various types of spearmanii with different spears, that's the appeal of the setting and what's cool drat it!
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 05:23 |
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Rome Remastered reviews coming out seem to not indicate any bugs or problems introduced to the game, just the same game with some nicer graphics on top of it. I'm not sure if it's really fair to knock off score for a remaster for being a dated game when of course it's dated when it's a 20 year old game that is just being updated to run on the latest systems with some better textures and uncompressed audio slapped on it.
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 17:13 |
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I mean except that whole having someone pay you to take all their provinces bug.
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 17:25 |
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Third World Reagan posted:I mean except that whole having someone pay you to take all their provinces bug. That wasn't normal practice in the ancient Mediterranean?
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 19:09 |
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Egypt screaming, take all of my money and my property. In return I demand you forgive me for past sins that never happened.
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 19:19 |
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Thom12255 posted:That wasn't normal practice in the ancient Mediterranean? I'm the king of Pergamon and I say it's in fact the correct course of action
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# ? Apr 28, 2021 19:19 |
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I had one faction give me a province in R2 just because the ambasador I've sent was so good. It was a faction leader's wife, so it might have been some "Caesar, queen of Bithynia" thing
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# ? Apr 29, 2021 12:15 |
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How do I install this "enhanced graphics pack" thing? e: oh nm the download button showed up at the same time as release fuf fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Apr 29, 2021 |
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Thom12255 posted:Rome Remastered reviews coming out seem to not indicate any bugs or problems introduced to the game, just the same game with some nicer graphics on top of it. I'm not sure if it's really fair to knock off score for a remaster for being a dated game when of course it's dated when it's a 20 year old game that is just being updated to run on the latest systems with some better textures and uncompressed audio slapped on it. And they even ignore a lot of the advantages the old engine had, such as battle maps being derived from the campaign location and units feeling like units and not HP blobs. It's a very different flavour, and not a worse one. Rome, Three Kingdoms and Warhammer are all distinct enough to be mutually enjoyable.
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