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BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
So - finally cutting the cable.

Comcast is turned off Dec 8th.

Fiber is installed Dec 9th.

I have YouTubeTV (and Netflix, Disney +, Hulu, Prime and several other services).

With YouTubeTV they gave me a chromecast.

I have a TCL 6 Series (2019) and a 5 Series (2019).

Is there a benefit to using the Chromecast over any of the built in Roku apps?

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BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Three Olives posted:

Did they give you a Chomecast or a Chromecast with Google TV? It looks like the current offer is a Chromecast with Google TV in which case, yes, yes, yes, use the Chromecast with Google TV, it is wonderful even when you aren't using YouTube Live TV integration, I am really crossing my fingers that Hulu agrees/is allowed to integrate into their interface, it is fabulous.

Honestly, we have gone through everything, Android TV, Vizio SmartCast, Fire TV, the Chromecast with Google TV is the first device that gets the husband stamp of approval for just actually working.

Yep it's the Chromecast with Google TV. I'll hook it up and try it tonight!

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

XBenedict posted:

No. I have a couple of TCL and the Roku platform works perfectly.

Checked it last night - YouTubeTV on Roku works fine but quality seemed better on the Chromecast (I was looking at all the rainy scenes in Godzilla King of Monsters since the rain, etc is great for compression artifact checking).

But then the Chromecast just stopped being able to stream anything for more than a minute before it claimed no network connection. Le sigh I'll try more today.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

TheWevel posted:

a good ui

It's simple ui is perfect for just about everyone. It's a bit ugly, but it's not processor intensive which let's it work similarly across tons of differing devices. Also all the olds get it real easy.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
I do like YouTube TVs feature of putting channels in whatever order you want

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

LastInLine posted:

I have those TVs but I haven't used the remotes. The nice thing about the apps is that they actually didn't put them on the TV, they're still cast but from Vizio's servers. They aren't stored locally.



Why is that a nice thing?

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

WhyteRyce posted:

Sounds kind of like a remote without buttons that needs to be plugged in all the time

I do get the benefits of chromecast but i never liked using it as a primary media consumption device. It’s not like there is a real cost benefit vs something like a roku

Yeah Google themselves have moved away from it to. The latest chromecast is the new Google TV which has a traditional interface and remote like a roku.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Minidust posted:

Got the wife on board with pausing YTTV for a while. I still think it's the best service overall, but I was tired of essentially paying the sports tax.

So after kind of chuckling at Discovery+ when I first heard about it, I took a good look at our YouTube DVR and realized it's like 90% Food Network and HGTV. So new plan is to get Philo and supplement it with ad-free Discovery+. I figure the DVR would have been the the most jarring downgrade coming from YTTV, so the Discovery access mostly mitigates (and arguably improves upon) that for my use case. True there's now a lot of redundancy with Philo's channel lineup, but as an old who still likes half-watching sitcoms on linear channels I'm good for the $20.

There's a couple things I'll miss but $27 vs $65 is totally worth it for this non-sports-watching household. Also gonna toss in occasional months of other services (possibly even YTTV itself) when there's something I wanna watch, and still come out way ahead. Okay that's my story.

Was just having this convo this weekend. Discover Plus and Hulu have pretty much all we watch. Biggest challenge is just going to be convincing her to get rid of a linear channel surfing style.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:

Hey, I just recently discovered this thread. My wife and I have had cable since we moved into our house in 2009, bundled with Internet and even a phone service that she insisted on having. Long before COVID, she spends 90% of her time at home, as an adjunct professor who doesn't have an office on campus, so we mostly had cable for her. We also have Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Hulu, plus free Peacock, Tubi, Kanopy, and of course YouTube, all streamed through a Roku Express. Plus, I have no problem with subscribing to additional streaming services for a month here or a month there when shows we like come out, but we even run out of things to watch on HBO Max, so I don't see the point of keeping it year-round.

But every year our cable "promotion" expires, and Spectrum cable raises the price on us -- a little here, a little there, just for the basic cable package. About a year ago, they took away several of our channels after they got added to a higher tier. We missed TCM, but didn't care about any of the other channels and couldn't justify paying more.

Well, they just raised the cable rates again. I called, asked about additional deals and promotions, and they said they would do us a huge solid by giving us the higher tier with TCM, but only for the new higher price ($180 for cable, Internet, and phone). That's no DVR, nothing else. I figured I had to find something better, so I compared Fubo, Hulu Live, and YouTube TV, and decided YouTube TV might be the best for us. It has live TV, all the basic cable channels we have, plus TCM, on demand services, and even a cloud-based DVR for around $65 a month.

I was too conscientious and paid for our new month of Spectrum cable in advance, and they refused to let me cancel and refund a prorated amount, so that was the final straw. Once we cancel cable, our bill with just Internet and phone will drop from $180 to $98, plus the YouTube TV for $65 a month.

We use YTTV and love it!

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Mouse Cadet posted:

My parents are temporarily relocating to a condo for six months while their house is being renovated. They have cable (Spectrum) at their house and are trying to save money by not getting cable at the condo, but there are some shows they want to watch that are on cable. It looks like there's a Spectrum app for live TV but it's not available on the TV they'll be getting (a TCL roku TV). Any suggestions how they can access their shows at the condo? The only idea I've come up with is to get the Spectrum app on their laptop and connect the laptop to the TV, but they are elderly and might not be able to make that work. Thank you.

I know I recommended the TCL in the other thread, but given this particular circumstance, and that elderly parents are less likely to give a poo poo about picture quality, it might be worth looking at the 55" Toshiba Fire tv since the app is still available for that.

Or can they just pause their spectrum billing and use YouTube TV on the Roku?

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Mouse Cadet posted:

I believe the Spectrum app is still available on the Samsung TVs like this one https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-55-class-7-series-led-4k-uhd-smart-tizen-tv/6401735.p?skuId=6401735

That may be my best (and only) option.

Yeah but man I hate to go for the lowest quality TV just to solve a temporary problem. Seriously spectrum will let you pause. Do that and get Youtube TV and you won't send any more.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

WhyteRyce posted:

I really like the two Rokus I use on my other TVs but Fire sticks are good enough and I just switched to YT TV from Hulu and man the interface is way better so that's strike two for Roku.

We have two Google TVs and they're great, but my wife and kids just like going straight to the YTTV app on the Roku interface instead of switching over to the Chromecast/GTV and it's remote. If the GTV remote controlled the roku TV, then we'd have a winner!

Of course nearly everyone of these disputes is that Roku want's to take a slice of subscriptions that happen through it's interface and most vendors try to say no.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:

This sucks, because we just finally cut the cord with Spectrum cable in favor of a YouTube TV subscription through our Roku Express device.

Is there any hope of an agreement, or am I going to have to cancel YouTube TV and get something else? We just own one TV with the Roku Express, and we're not going to hook our laptops up to the TV just to watch YouTube TV through them.

The new Google TV device is stellar and has a real interface and remote now instead of the old "have to cast from your device" days.

And of course Youtube TV works awesome on it.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Next step in the Roku/Google YTTV saga. They are letting their contract expire. If you already have the app, you can still use it but don't delete it b/c you won't be able to add it back.

Some interesting details on the dispute:

https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/roku-youtube-tv-removed-1234963849/

quote:

Roku alleges that Google is seeking anticompetitive terms. According to Roku, Google is demanding that if a Roku user has the regular YouTube app open, the platform cannot display search results from third-party services like Netflix, Disney Plus or HBO Max. (The regular YouTube app remains available on Roku and is not affected by the current dispute.) Google also is asking for special access to Roku user data and wants the ability to dictate hardware requirements to Roku in the future for running its apps, Roku alleged.

How does that even work on a Roku? If you have an App open, it's the dominant app. There is no searching other stuff. So if I have the reg YouTube app open, how would the Roku even be *able* to show search results from third party services?

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

bull3964 posted:

Voice Search.

If you use the voice remote and search for something, it will pull you out of the app.

For example, if I do a voice search while YoutubeTV is running for "The Daily Show", Roku takes me to their search results where the only result is on Paramount+.

The voice search on Roku overrides everything else and brings you to their global search library which does not search WITHIN services like youtube.

So, if I'm in the youtube app and hit the voice search on my remote because it's convenient to do and say "cat videos" , it's takes me to a page where I can rent "Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls" for $3 from Roku's service of choice rather than showing cat videos on Youtube.



Yeah so, I know this... but maybe I'm just having a hard time understanding.

Is Google trying to say that, if you activate Voice Search within YouTube that it either:

a.) has to only search within YouTube since it's open or

b.) still kicks you out to the RokuOS but only Google app related searches show up?

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Lol now I'm getting emails from YouTubeTV - it's like a classic custody battle/divorce poo poo. Roku says they're going to continue to offer the app unless Google decides to 100% de-list. Google says they will continue to let you use the app unless Roku decides to de-list.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

bull3964 posted:

They want choice a.

Assuming that Roku is being honest about what the make or break items are for the negotiation.

I suspect the main sticking point is AV1 and the rest is mostly negotiable.. Google already required any new Android TV implementation to have hardware support for AV1, so that seems to be a pretty high priority for them.

To be honest I'd love to have the option to enable something like Choice A. Like, on a per app basis toggle where voice search actually searches. That'd be nice just as a feature overall. Then Google can just negotiate being able to have "search in App" to be on by default.

There, problem loving solved.

I know you said the main point is AV1 and not the search

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

bull3964 posted:

Roku doesn't want that though because they want to drive searches to services that they get a cut of.

I know I get that. And certainly when you voice search within the RokuOS it'd obviously do that. But I'm just fantasizing that it's a useful feature regardless of capitalism. Voice search *should* have the option of working within the app you have open.

Or poo poo in true capitalism, make companies pay to have that enabled within their app.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

TheScott2K posted:

It's kinda funny how everyone knows what a super usable UI that aggregates the content available on all your streaming services would look like, but it'll just never happen because the content owners specifically don't want that.

Yeah - it's a little socialism/capitalism microcosm.

Reminds me of project management software. Every dipshit company is so sure they can come up with some clever way of redefining project management that they keep missing the mark. There's just some invisible universal force preventing a company from aggregating all the best features into one.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

god this blows posted:

What is the network bug? I use Apple TV’s throughout my house and haven’t run into issues

"bug" means station/network logo that stays on screen.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

Is anyone having issues with Rokus, specifically TCL Roku TV, when it comes to Netflix and AppleTV+? Everything is up to date.

Netflix will play a show but if we pause it or fast forward/rewind, then it starts buffering or stuttering and the TV no longer recognizes any input from the remote. The tv then hard resets and it is fine unless we pause/ff/rw. This has been going on for a year or so but I have forgotten to ask before.

AppleTV+ has started in the last few days to go to a black screen whenever we try to play anything. It just sits on the black screen and nothing plays. We have to hit the home button several times before it resets the tv. When we go back in, it works without issue.

We have 4 Roku TVs and none of those issues. Have you done a factory reset?

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Yeah if you ever reboot don't forget, that if you have fast start turned on, you to do a real reboot instead.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/28/...J6jIZ0TktZeyUiI

YouTubeTV is offering two new upgrades.

5.1 sound finally.

An add-on package "4K Plus" which is 4K content and downloadable options. That's $20 *extra* a month.

1 month free trial and $10/month 12 month introductory pricing for those that get in early.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

MarcusSA posted:

$85 a month for all that now. Getting a bit pricy tbh

100%. I'm def not getting that.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

MarcusSA posted:

Yeah I’m on a family plan with my dad which is the only reason we have it. If it was just me there’s no way.

$40 was a steal. $50 was imo the perfect price. Now it’s just why not get cable?

Yeah unfortunately in the capitalistic hellscape we live in, there is no company that will ever go "nah I'm ok offering eternally affordable plans." Every business model is *always* going to be "get in cheap and slowly rise the price."

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Keyser_Soze posted:

As a YTTV user since Aug 2019 - I don't care about the 4K upgrade (yet) - but the 5.1 is a nice addition. I assume that is not extra $?



Correct.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

bull3964 posted:

Also, just as an FYI, it's not just 4k upgrade.

The extra cost is for:
4k
Offline downloads
Unlimited streams

I suspect the last piece is what's really inflating the price due to licensing.

I mentioned Offline in my OG post, but didn't realize unlimited streams was in it. That's not bad.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

That just seems like a weird and clunky choice. With YouTubeTV it's all just... there and it works.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

bull3964 posted:

Remember though that the big difference between YouTube TV and cable co is cancelling or pausing your service is a few clicks and that's it. It doesn't involve phone calls, re-bundling, losing promotional rates on other products, or arranging for the return of equipment.

Price increases were inevitable once channels were added since carriage costs go up every year.

Yeah I still love it. Honestly even if it was the same price as cable... still worth it.

Hell *my wife* - technophobe - was evangelizing it randomly to some friends of ours. That's, like, a huge win.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Completely unsolicited but YouTube TV had been amazing for us love TV wise

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Kilometers Davis posted:

Yeah that's our second option I think. I've got a better history with Hulu than google/youtube so I figured stick with what we know and then go from there. I was looking into YTTV earlier and it definitely sounds like a solid option.

Selection, customization and integration with the new Chromecasts with Google TV sealed it for us.

(We also subscribe to Hulu non-live)

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
YttV def does. If you start it after it's record time it'll ask if you want to join it in progress or start from the beginning.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

FCKGW posted:

We peaked with the Boxee box and it's been all downhill since.

I loved my Boxee Box. People need to quit being afraid of fun product design

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

TheScott2K posted:

Boxee Box was terrible. Thing shipped without the ability to stream Netflix, the "it supports flash so it'll stream all that free content to your TV" thing got pantsed within days by the streaming services you actually want going "oh ho ho no, you're gonna pay to watch on something that's not a computer," the local media streaming was jank as gently caress because that end of it was some goofy XBMC fork that loved crashing, and the box was ugly.

Y'all are trying to rewrite history.

We aren't being serious...

But

quote:

and the box was ugly

This is wrong.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

RevKrule posted:

I guess I just needed to complain in this thread. I was watching one of their new series' today and noticed a 4K badge when it was paused and checked and sure enough.



What's the complaint?

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

RevKrule posted:

That they were leaving shield owners out in the cold. Like last week or the week before I checked and the app was still 1080p but as of checking this morning, the android tv app for nvidia shield is 4K compatible.

Ohhhhh. I misread. "I guess I just need to complain in this thread" meaning "as soon as I mention it it gets fixed..." - I thought you were posting that as a complaint. Ignore me.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Something interesting with YouTube Tv I never noticed.

I just turned on a football game on network tv and there was:

Watch from Beginning
Join Live
And
Catch Up to Live Through Key Plays

Pretty cool feature!

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Dog Faced JoJo posted:

It might be because you added a team to your library. If you flip channels between games it might drive you nuts. I did it for my baseball team and it was super annoying to have to select join live when I would flip to something else during commercials.

Hmm I think you're right. I just moved to Raleigh and I think I added the Panthers at some point.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

Yeah, any games that you dvr or follow will do that. It is very useful if you are switching between two important games. It is not when you are checking something out between commercials.

It is also irritating when you mean to start from the beginning of a game but hit join live and you have to rewind all the way to the beginning.

Well I was just talking about the key plays feature... That was cool. I was aware of the other dvr stuff.

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BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
There is definitely a geofence. I just moved from Mississippi to North Carolina and had to update my location. But I think it just affects your local channels. So one coast will get the others channels.

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