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If you're making a new thread, here's a peaceful image for the OP. Also, a list of referendum related blogs, and campaign sites: News & Comment Bella Caledonia Wings Over Scotland Newsnet Scotland Independence Daily Business For Scotland Wealthy Nation Blogs Lallands Peat Worrier Blog Derek Bateman Blog Lesley Riddoch Blog Craig Murray Blog Campaigns National Collective Common Weal Radical Independence Campaign Women For Independence Scottish CND Labour For Independence Vote No Borders Better Together Yes Scotland Poll Analysis  SCOT goes POP! What Scotland Thinks keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 01:35 on May 30, 2014 |
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When are there some new polls out?
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keep punching joe posted:If you're making a new thread, here's a peaceful image for the OP. I prefer this one. 
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Hoops posted:Make a Scottish Politics thread if you want, it doesn't have to take over this thread. I feel like most of scottish politics is inevitably going to be tied up with the referendum in one way or another, at least for the next three months or so. If we're going to have two threads I'd like the second one to be entirely for amateur psephology, definitions of what a language is, and arguing over who is and is not a true scotsman so nobody else has to read that, but I figure that's just me. keep punching joe posted:If you're making a new thread, here's a peaceful image for the OP.  In other news, this has sprung up in the last few days, and might lead somewhere interesting: quote:The National Council for Scotland project aims to ensure that the widest range of public opinion is reflected in negotiations with the rest of the UK (rUK) in the event of a Yes vote. http://nationalcouncilscotland.org/ http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/move-to-stop-politicians-carving-up-an-indy-scotland.24311456 and here's Robin McAlpine being Robin McAlpine on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z2hTvGaPT4
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Gonzo McFee posted:I prefer this one. The Camermond looks terrifyingly like Mark from Peep Show.
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keep punching joe posted:The Camermond looks terrifyingly like Mark from Peep Show. One of them has an air of Craig Revel Horwood about him.
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quote:Areas for debate after a Yes vote would include currency options, sharing the UK national debt, sharing UK assets, and whether Scotland should be part of UK energy and banking regimes. What's the point in debating things that could only be decided in negotiations between the UK and an independent Scotland? Or is it really a way for people to put their hands up and volunteer to form part of a Scottish negotiation team?
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Pissflaps posted:What's the point in debating things that could only be decided in negotiations between the UK and an independent Scotland?
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^^^ Yeah, Pissflaps, don't be dense. You can't criticise the Yes campaign for going forward with no valid bargaining position then criticise them again for trying to work one out before they need it.keep punching joe posted:If you're making a new thread, here's a peaceful image for the OP. That picture has an unfortunate vibe to it.  "Hello little girl... would you like to see an independent Scotland? I'll give you sweeties if you vote Yes." (Not casting aspersions that Salmond is Uncle Nobby, by the way, the pic just weirded me out a bit.) Jedit fucked around with this message at 12:01 on May 30, 2014 |
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Jedit posted:You can't criticise the Yes campaign for going forward with no valid bargaining position then criticise them again for trying to work one out before they need it. I haven't personally criticised anyone for this though? And while I can take the point about working out pre-negotiation positions, I don't think it can achieve this as a pressure group with no mandate. I still think it's more about people sticking their hands up for the actual negotiations where the carving up of the UK would be decided.
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Pissflaps posted:And while I can take the point about working out pre-negotiation positions, I don't think it can achieve this as a pressure group with no mandate. I still think it's more about people sticking their hands up for the actual negotiations where the carving up of the UK would be decided. The point is that the pressure group wouldn't be the one working out pre-negotiation positions. The thing the group is pressuring for is that the people making these decisions are chosen fairly in a way that represents and involves as much of Scotland as possible, rather than the population being expected to just go back home and have a wee sleep while the big clever politicians work this all out for you. From their website: quote:This proposal does not seek to present a single blueprint for a participative process ?there are different approaches and different configurations within any given approach. It is simply an attempt to outline the broad principles and what they might look like in practice. The proposals are in the early days at the moment but I like the direction it's going in. Also who the hell thought that picture with Salmond and the ice cream was a good idea, who the hell in the SNP let that picture even happen
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Unless they go back and tighten their wording a bit the Electoral Commission might have decided that anybody tweeting about the referendum needs to have their contact details published on their twitter page.
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ThomasPaine posted:That has to be a photoshop I suppose it could be. Looking at it again the perspective does seem slightly off on the near side. If so it's a pretty good one, though, because they left the reflected light in.
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Looks like legit lens distortion to me, but I'm sure that one could find out for sure by hanging around Edinburgh Waverley for a few hours.
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big scary monsters posted:Looks like legit lens distortion to me, but I'm sure that one could find out for sure by hanging around Edinburgh Waverley for a few hours. I was more thinking that it's nuts Scotrail would allow that kind of thing on the side of one of their trains. A saltire sure, but not Salmond holding the white paper. It's too overtly political (and Yes support-implicit)
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ThomasPaine posted:I was more thinking that it's nuts Scotrail would allow that kind of thing on the side of one of their trains. A saltire sure, but not Salmond holding the white paper. It's too overtly political (and Yes support-implicit) On the Lying Scotsman?
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Delusibeta posted:On the Lying Scotsman? What?
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Delusibeta posted:On the Lying Scotsman? You know it's the Flying Scotsman, right?  Unfortunate placement of the letter F crossed with a dash of photoshop equals hashtag indyref twitter meme. GeeCee fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Jun 1, 2014 |
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twoot posted:meta: Given that we are now in the "official campaigning period" I was thinking it'd be a good time for a new thread. The OP is 2 years out of date and OP hasn't posted in nearly as long. Does anyone have anything they think would be good to add to it other than the basic background? I was thinking of writing one over the next day or so. Are you still doing this, twoot? If not I'm currently putting together a draft of a new Scottish Politics/Referendum Chat OP. Suggestions for witty thread titles appreciated.
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From yougov: Not feeling the love, rUK
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Angepain posted:Are you still doing this, twoot? If not I'm currently putting together a draft of a new Scottish Politics/Referendum Chat OP. Suggestions for witty thread titles appreciated. I haven't had time unfortunately, you can have it. The only thing I had thought about was explaining our mess of a constitutional setup, also using this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10 "The Scottish Independence Referendum thread (also ScotPol and saucechat)"
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bitterandtwisted posted:From yougov: With 34% of Scots wanting to leave the EU, and even more in the rest of the rest of the UK feeling the same way, it's not surprising that so many would want Scotland to be unable to rejoin the EU. I'm not sure it's fair to use it as evidence of anti-Scottish feeling.
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Pissflaps posted:With 34% of Scots wanting to leave the EU, and even more in the rest of the rest of the UK feeling the same way, it's not surprising that so many would want Scotland to be unable to rejoin the EU. I'm not sure it's fair to use it as evidence of anti-Scottish feeling.  (I figure the actual question given to Norway was worded differently) Anti-Scottish might be overstating it, but many English people who've quizzed me on the subject (I'm in England so this happens a lot) react badly to my being pro, and basically respond with "you'll fail and come crawling back and we'll say no, you ungrateful scrounger", which I think is the effect here. bitterandtwisted fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jun 2, 2014 |
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bitterandtwisted posted:GB was barely above average in its Euroscepticism. It's ludicrous to use the Norwegian result as part of the "average" since they'd have answered a completely different question (probably "would you be in favour of joining the EU?"). The average difference between "remain" and "leave" for the six EU countries was 15%. The UK difference was 1%. That is not "barely above average" euroscepticism.
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Okay, here's my attempt at a new thread. Now featuring: lots and lots of words. Suggestions welcome.
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Angepain posted:Okay, here's my attempt at a new thread. Now featuring: lots and lots of words. Suggestions welcome. I thought the idea was to make a general thread for Scottish politics, leaving this one for referendum, poll and linguistic chat?
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