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R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Here's a bunch of pictures:










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Jul 27, 2011

Defenestration posted:

Do you have an artist name for this one?
IIRC, it's a poster from the Mai 68 protests in France. So there's probably no known artist.

Slightly :nws:

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Could the mods maybe add the megarule to the thread title?

Cjones posted:

After World War II, the Western Allies were concerned with the vacuum left after the upheaval of Axis dictators, specifically in Italy. Enter NATO and their state-sponsored terror program, Operation Gladio
Always get angry reading about this, because they pretty much got away with it and nobody even knows the role the US played in all of that.










R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Thought this was worth the screencap, if only because I can't help but picture him sneaking around, dressed like a masked bandit while carrying a large bag full of babies on his back:


Though this is probably hella-tragic if you actually click that link. Cartoon-level evil right there.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Fluo posted:

I don't see Lord Archer in there.
Or Lord Ice.

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Jul 27, 2011

the2ndgenesis posted:

How are Penn State's students/alumni/whatever reacting to the removal of the statue?

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Jul 27, 2011

JustFrakkingDoIt posted:

Yeah that bugged me too.

Google maps has it that it's ~1400 miles to Mexico City.

That's the best I can figure.
That's it. If you get directions from Maricopa to Mexico, Google Maps automatically assumes you're going to the capital, Mexico City. And that's about 1200 miles. I also tried going from Maricopa to Central America, which is apparently somewhere in the middle of nowhere in Nicaragua. 2700ish miles. Asia is in the centre of China and South America is in the centre of Brazil. It doesn't give you directions, though.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Highspeeddub posted:

Today it's worse than ever with school textbooks and that is coming from a teacher who got to select curriculum for a school.
It's pretty much par for the course everywhere, I'm afraid. A friend of mine here in Belgium did some research about the depiction of colonialism in school textbooks. Up until very, very recently it was still 'we came to bring civilisation and stop slavery' all around. It's still pretty whitewashy even now. And this was the case for Belgian and French textbooks. But the worst textbooks were, ironically, the ones in Congo. Those are still colonialist as hell. But that's more to do with not being able to renew them and them not being produced in Congo itself, I guess.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

That reminds me, I made this back when it was announced Glenn Beck was going blind or something.



I'm a horrible person, obviously.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

your lovely eek is pretty much on the ball here. By which I mean his view is mostly Correct. Soldiers are just another type of victims, even if they volunteer. Because really, how much does volunteering matter if you're doing it to escape poverty or because you were dipped in propaganda from the day you were born? Not that this excuses the horrible stuff they do while in the army, but it's a bit simplistic to say 'all armymen are bad' (there's only one bad armyman :haw:)

Here's a fitting song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5pgrKSwFJE

Though maybe you should replace old with rich and young with poor in "It's always the old to lead us to the war/It's always the young to fall"

Have some pics:


This is the Yser Tower, erected after the first world war in Diksmuide, Belgium. It symbolises two things. On the one hand, the part I mostly try to ignore, the Flemish-nationalist and Catholic aspects. These can be seen in the cross-shape of the building and in:
 V
AVV
 K
Which stands for 'Alles voor Vlaanderen/Vlaanderen voor Kristus' - Everything for Flanders/Flanders for Christ.

Then there's obviously the anti-war sentiment. On the base of the tower, you can find the following sentence in a couple of languages, IIRC:


Never again war. Which was a pretty strong sentiment after WWI, understandably.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Why is America's labour day in september?


This is a campaign ad by the extreme-right Flemish-nationalist party Vlaams Belang. On it, you can see Saïd I., robber, who is told in clear terms 'Out! No excuses!'. There are several more of these ads, with more foreign-looking people with foreign-sounding names committing all kinds of crimes. (though to be fair, there's also a child-rapist with a Flemish name, so... there's that) VB has three selling points: racism, Flemish-nationalism and fascism (tough on crime!). Unfortunately for them, N-VA is doing much better on the Flemish-nationalism front, so they decided to double down on racism and fascism. This is the result.

Alas, the campaign went awry when people horribly misinterpreted the otherwise hate-free campaign. In the past few weeks, strung up puppets have been appearing in Antwerp, each with a sign with a name from the VB campaign on them. Shocked and dismayed, VB is now suing the unknown puppet-murderers for doing something they would themselves never ever dream of.

Totally unrelated:

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Lassitude posted:

My father's Estonian, and the impression I get is that it's all about anti-Soviet sentiment rather than Nazi glorification. There's a degree of appreciation for the 20th Waffen SS Division, in the case of Estonia, because they fought against the Soviet Union. War crimes and stuff I guess are ignored or at least don't eclipse the good of fighting the Soviets.
That's the excuse that's often given, yeah. It was used here in Belgium as well. In Flanders, there was the added dimension of Flemish Nationalism, which the Germans were going to support once the war was over (like hell they would) This Flamenpolitik was used during the first and second world war and was part of a larger strategy by the Reich to stir up nationalist sentiment in Allied and Comintern countries. Despite two waves of repression after the war, the Flemish collaborators got off relatively easy because 'they were only fighting for a Flemish state.' Because this makes collaborating with nazi's less disgusting somehow. (side-note: things also quieted down because the two rounds of repression - one unorganised and one organised - didn't yet touch the higher levels of society. The Belgian economic elite collaborated pretty heavily, but surely we can't put them on trial)

Anyway, both reasons are disgusting and ultimately don't justify poo poo. Try getting a Flemish homeland, oppose the Soviet Union, but don't loving be a fascist about it and don't help the nazis. Decorate every lamppost with a collaborator - or at least put them on trial and don't glorify them I guess.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Here are some pictures of Belgium's gay, Francophone, second-generation immigrant born-in-a-squatter's-camp, socialist PM - Elio Di Rupo - being kissed on the mouth by a comedian in drag. This was done at an event honouring people who ride bicycles really well and was broadcast on a publicly funded television network with the sole purpose of scaring and infuriating American conservatives.





And here's the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reLVuvg4Rlw

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

We had a D&D music thread, but it recently fell into the archives. I don't have archives, but I think this is it: Click

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORifieiZiP4

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

In that vein, here are some local election folders from Belgium.


Ronny Hood, member of the New Flemish Alliance. That's not a 'distribute the wealth' type of party, in case you were wondering. Despite the New Flemish Alliance sweeping Flanders, they did fairly poorly in his district. They only got five seats and he didn't get one.

This may be because he was facing this juggernaut:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xe8eWWl7Dk
(I hope you can feel the awkwardness and the horrible rap despite the language. Best part is when he walks in and out of the cornfield)

Steven Van De Putte, member of OpenVLD, a party that was one of the main losers of the election. This was also the case in Steven's district, where the party lost 7%. Despite this, Steven won one of OpenVLD's remaining six seats. Or maybe they held onto those six seats because of him???? That's the reality I want to believe.

And finally, unrelated to those two, there's this guy:


Member of VB, the main losers of the election and also the most extreme right-wing party - home of racists, fascists and dozens of neo-nazi's. His name? Bambi.

That's also actually his election photo.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

The guy in the first few panels is Gilad Shalit, the IDF soldier that was kidnapped by Hamas and who was released last year. I'm sure you heard about him. The image is basically some (probably) Israeli fuckers saying that killing seven people, including two children is fine because REVENGE FOR GILAD SHALIT

related:

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Fried Chicken posted:

You are right. In the real photo, he doesn't. That's my point.
Yes there are. Which is why I found the one from the same perspective and timing and then noted all the differences.

"inadvertently"

Let's not pretend for a second that there isn't a very long and disgusting history of the feminist movement capitalizing on racism. For many, "equality" is having what white men have - the privilege to ignore and abuse others when it suits them.
You obviously have an axe to grind, but for what it's worth:



The photographer's name is Alfred Eisenstaedt, in case you want to accuse him of photoshopping and racism. He did die in 1995, though, so that might be difficult.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Couldn't find a decent picture when looking for Kill All Americans, so have this:

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

prefect posted:

Current top Youtube comment:
Not surprising. They're a libertarian website, so their viewers will expect them to denounce taxes at every turn. Thing is that while the viewers are Ron Paulites (aka purestrain idiots), the site is run by ordinary libertarians and classical liberals (aka idiots) - so they won't go for open lunacy, even though their viewers would want this.

Here's their video on the tragedy of the commons, where they hilariously suggest that maybe the solution is privatisation????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLirNeu-A8I

It's funny, because the whole concept of the tragedy of the commons can be seen as an argument against privatisation on its own.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

ekuNNN posted:

But why do they do it? Is it just as a costume at a party, or do they actually try to pretend to have served? Is it like a weird kind of military reenactment club? :psyduck:
It's America, man.

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Jul 27, 2011

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Americans aren't to be trusted without helmets. That said, I think they shouldn't wear them because I want them to die

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Just want to quote this again because this is amazing. I love it.

Here's another picture from his FB:

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

az jan jananam posted:

Did this come from Dawkins? Because it is completely wrong; parties, organizations, and governments across the Muslim world self-refer as "Islamist" without approaching the type of essentialist worldview or the vicious attitude towards antinomianism espoused by Qutb. Qutb wasn't even the Brotherhood's most prominent theorist or guiding force, and the idea that Qutb "invented" Islamism is complete nonsense; revivalist organizations had gained force decades prior to him. I'm sure this is all very inconvenient to a reductionist like Dawkins.
It's also pretty obvious that Dawkins isn't talking about Islamism and is using it as an acceptable way of being a giant bigot. Saying that what is essentially a political movement is a failure in terms of engineering, science and medicine doesn't make much sense, obviously.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

a bad enough dude posted:

As an American tourist wandering through an older part of Antwerp I went into a cool looking bar that was painted yellow and had a giant black lion painted on it. I'm young and had longer hair then, and immediately got stink-eyes from a bunch of old men at the bar. Nevertheless me and my brother ordered a beer in English and sat down, when I realized the wall was covered in literal nazi propaganda and other fascist poo poo, including a poster honoring SS veterans. I finished my beer fast and got out of there.

Ah, you've found the Lion of Flanders. There's actually a little hint that should register even to non-Belgians that it's a Nazi-den:

Here's the door of the bar:


Don't see it? Look closer.



See it?



Yup. There was a bit of a controversy about it when it was discovered, but I don't know if they actually removed it. I mean, seeing as it's full of nazi poo poo, why would they? Ah yes, the amorous relationship between the Flemish movement and the Nazis, it's something else. Flemish separatists actually collaborated during both world wars, though while they were still kinda wary during the first, they went balls out during the second.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Ol' Bart here got in some trouble recently when he said he wanted to expand the currently existing law in Antwerp which says that public servants aren't allowed to wear any sort of garment or sign that would indicate they're part of some religion or some sort of political movement. They have to be neutral. This law is ridiculous as it is, because it's basically only to pick on Muslims. Anyway, he wants to expand this law to include rainbow-themed and other LGBT themed clothing/items. Now, of course saying that homosexuality isn't 'neutral' raises the question: what does Bart De Wever think is neutral in terms of sexuality and gender? But he took it one step further by calling homosexuality an 'obediëntie' - an archaic word used only in terms of monastic orders and freemasonic lodges which implies that homosexuality would be a choice.

Of course, this is all hot air designed to get himself more attention. I spoke to the person who conducted that interview. He said he gave BDW the chance to go over the text and check to see if everything was right and he didn't change anything. Afterwards, he claims the usage of the word was meant to be 'ironic'. Of course, he then went straight to what he was waiting for all this time: another chance to cry about how everybody keeps being mean to him. How? By saying he was starting to fear a Pim Fortuyn scenario.

Pim Fortuyn was a racist Dutch politician who really hated Islam and who was really popular during the early 2000's.



Fun fact: Pim Fortuyn was gay himself. Less fun fact for him: He was shot in 2002.

:nms: dead guy

So, BDW is afraid of somebody shooting him (and plenty of people have a motive, I guess, seeing as he rages against pretty much every group out there) and he decides to express this fear shortly after he decided being gay wasn't 'neutral' and also was a choice. Also, for someone who vehemently denies that his party is racist, he chose a strange person to compare himself to. Of course, once enough headlines were written, he said it probably wasn't a good idea to say such a thing, because look at how people responded.

Basically, Bart De Wever is total scum.

But don't worry about him, only two politicians have been assassinated in the history of Belgium. One was Belgian Communist Julien Lahaut, who was gunned down on the 18th of august 1950 after yelling 'Vive La République' during King Boudewijn's coronation. The exact details of the affair are still murky, but an investigation is still digging up facts to this day. The gunmen were probably Leopoldists, Belgian royalists who were pissy about the whole Vive La République thing. They were part of the rightist, royalist resistance during the Second World War and were probably part of the anti-communist stay-behind network organised by the CIA - Gladio. You may have heard about Operation Gladio, it was involved in a lot of dirty things all over West Europe, but their role in Belgium hasn't really fully seen the light of day yet. They've been linked to a lot of things, though, ranging from this murder, to the clusterfuck that was the independence of Congo, the murder of Patrice Lumumba and the separatism in Katanga, and - maybe less plausibly - to the Bende van Nijvel.

It's thought that the murder of Lahaut was meant to cause a violent reaction by the Belgian communists, who came out of WW2 with considerable support due to their large part in the resistance. Several other communist leaders were also on the kill-list. The violent response would then finally lead to the establishment of a right-wing, authoritarian system in Belgium, with the king at its head. The communists didn't respond violently, though, so in the end nothing came of it.

The investigation into Lahaut's murder took this long to come to some conclusions, because the police and intelligence agencies were determined to do basically nothing about it. It took until two historians decided to figure it out in 1985 to get some more answers and to respark some interest. Interest that has only slowly been growing, but in the past few years some official research institutions have been tasked with finding out the truth once and for all. Interesting enough, there was an inquiry into Gladio during the early 90's, but nothing came of it and 'nothing untoward was found'.

Anyway, here's Lahaut:



Here's his corpse :nms: if you're squeamish.

Here's his kick-rear end grave monument in Seraing:


The other assassinee was André Cools, a politician from the Parti Socialiste, who was on 18 July 1991 by two Tunisian hitmen with a Sicilian Mafia background hired by Alain Van der Biest, another PS-politician. I don't know a lot about this one, but the investigation into his death laid bare a bunch of corruption scandals which got a bunch of social democrat politicians in a lot of trouble.

So again, André alive:


André dead:

Click

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Phlegmish posted:

Yes, because this one bar clearly equals 'the Flemish Movement'. You know, that's probably one of my biggest problems with Vlaams Belang and its satellites, they're the perfect excuse for people like R. Mute who don't give a poo poo about actual ideological nuances or the complexities of history and just have a political axe to grind.
Just tell me what's wrong about the statement that the Flemish nationalist movement was neck deep in the collaboration-bizz during WW2 and what part of my statement was wrong. Note that I didn't say 'literally every single Flemish Nationalist has Hitler tattoo'd on his or her rear end', so don't bother coming up with more single non-despicable Flemish nationalists as if the majority of the movement didn't root for the wrong team during the Second World War. (and the first, but that wasn't a majority)

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Soviet Commubot posted:

Stickers people are putting on SUVs and trucks in some parts of France. From left to right they say:
Those SUV-owners are lucky they didn't run into les dégonflés, les Flagadas or the Indians of the concrete jungle.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Orange Devil posted:

I'm pretty sure it was posted earlier in the thread and mentioned that it was some kind of inspirational (!) poster made before or during WW1 to show how safe kids would be or some such. It's pretty hosed up.
Yeah, Come and See had more inspirational and uplifting shots like:







Absolutely crushing film. Go and watch it.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Strange that Al Jazeera didn't make the link themselves



e: and if you were talking about leaving bloody corpses in general, yeah, all the cartels have a knack for it.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Zeroisanumber posted:

He's full of poo poo.


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Jul 27, 2011

Fandyien posted:

four second generation British-Pakistani dudes

"That's right."

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Jul 27, 2011

particle409 posted:

Gopniki, in case anybody wanted an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqPD4A-bKNA
IIRC, those were a bunch of radio hosts pretending to be 'gopniki' for some sort of ad for a party or something.

Here's Belgian arch-conservative-even-for-the-Church cardinal Léonard getting holy water thrown on him by Femen:
nwsf, obviously

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Ersatz posted:

He clearly criticized the capitalism of Reagan and Thatcher, describing it as "a market without a social contract," and he explained how unrestrained capitalism has lead to the creation of a demonized underclass. He's not a Marxist, but he's not shy about saying bad things about capitalism. It's worth adding that Marx didn't give a poo poo about the lumpenproletariat, and that this guy does.
He's saying bad things about neoliberalism, not about capitalism. He wants to go back to the era of the postwar consensus - just like all weak-kneed progressives - because it's seen as somehow 'fair', but that paints an idealised picture of the era. It ignores the fact that it was a system which could only exist thanks to the exploitation of the third world - it certainly wasn't fair to those outside of the west. And more importantly, it ignores the fact that it's impossible to return that era because of the fundamental differences in the global economic power balance.

Rand alPaul posted:

I agree, he doesn't call himself a Marxist and then spends 15 minutes calling for class warfare and collective action to defeat capitalism. It's very :ironicat:
He's not really calling for class warfare, though, except in the American 'words have no meaning anymore' sense of the word.

The Wire is very good though. I wanted to include this clip, but if that's not enough:

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

e: You know, if you're going to break the rules about image macros, it's best not to announce this while you're doing it. Plausible deniability and all that.

ulvir posted:

Is that a "first world problems: the movie"?
It's a film about a group of middle class people coming face to face with their inevitable (and very imminent) death. So yeah, partially first world problems.



I liked it.

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Jul 27, 2011

Josef bugman posted:

Okay, that's not at all creepy and terrifying that you are actively enjoying the deaths of other people.
What a weird thing to post. I enjoyed the film, not the actual death of film-people (who aren't real, not even your animes)



I just google image searched Ron Paul and filtered it down to animated gifs only:






R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Here's the Belgian crown prince after finishing the 20km of Brussels.



And here's our (gay, social democrat, son of Italian immigrants, bow-tie-wearing, etc etc etc) prime minister looking really creepy:

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Jul 27, 2011

Humboldt squid posted:

One of the first engagements of ww1 was between a german patrol and a squad of british(?) lancers on horseback. Lancers, with actual, literal lances. World war 1 also saw the last wartime use of the crossbow. It's mind blowing to think of how different the world was less than a century ago.

I think you're thinking about the Battle of Haelen - which was between Belgian and German troops. It did involve lancers, though the Belgians also had cyclist forces, but the main reason people still talk about it is to show how effective modern tactics and equipment could be against a cavalry charge. The German troops charged with sabre and lance, but the Belgians had dismounted and countered with massed rifle and machinegun fire, decimating the attack. Of the 17th regiment of dragoons, only ten unmounted horses reached the Belgian lines.

In Belgium, the battle is remembered as the Battle of the Silver Helmets, which is a reference to the Battle of the Golden Spurs. Where the French troops left the field littered with golden spurs in 1302, the Germans now filled it with the silver helmets of the German cuirassiers.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

What a horrible adaptation. Here are two versions of the better original.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEDBkK_BthA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M90oFjSlx8

Crocuta posted:

The talk about WWI reminded me:

Snazzy hats and dog-pulled machine guns, Belgium can't lose.

Apparently the Belgians retained dog-pulled machine guns until the end of the war, this picture is dated 1919.

IIRC, dogs were quite popular in such functions, not only in the Belgian army. It makes sense. Dogs are small targets, easily trained, cheap and readily available.

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Jul 27, 2011

Fishstick posted:

As does the police station

You'd think the police station in Antwerp would be the last place where they'd put plaques for concentration camp victims.

Experto Crede posted:

...Why is De Wever in that photo? NVA aren't even in government are they?



(Also new thin De Wever still freaks me out)
N-VA are actually part of the Flemish government, but this whole thing is mainly about the municipalities and cities - a lot of which are under N-VA control after the last elections. Bart De Wever is currently mayor of Antwerp and heavily pro GAS fines.


"Stop the political circus" - a slogan of the PVDA+, my left wing bros in Belgium.

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