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cat with hands posted:Bikers just got crazy good, and scout bikes were worth taking even in 5th. I haven't really looked at their changes, how did they get better? I want to field some bikes (or a biker list) in my vanilla list.
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cat with hands posted:What kind of landraiders? It makes a huge difference. As you might have noticed any vehicle that wants to get close to the enemy kinda sucks now. I have a Crusader and a Redeemer. I mainly use scoutbikers as a fun unit in friendly games against new players really, I kitted them with the S6 AP4 rapidfire grenade launchers. Bikes only got so much better in the regard that their modified toughness counts for ID; which indeed makes attack bikes a lot better.
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FrickenMoron posted:Bikes only got so much better in the regard that their modified toughness counts for ID; which indeed makes attack bikes a lot better. As the extra cherry on top you get HoW impact hits in cc without giving up your regular move like jumpers do. If anyone still doesn't want their bikes I'm buying.
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FrickenMoron posted:I have a Crusader and a Redeemer. I can see why you're worried about these, but I'm actually excited about my chaos LRs. They can now grab cover saves and fire both of their TL lascans on the move. I'll get a lot more out of them than just being assault taxis for my zerks.
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cat with hands posted:Also FnP rolls for anything not S10, which is huge. You could always give them Eternal Warrior
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PeterWeller posted:I can see why you're worried about these, but I'm actually excited about my chaos LRs. They can now grab cover saves and fire both of their TL lascans on the move. I'll get a lot more out of them than just being assault taxis for my zerks. Yeah I always used them as assault taxis for my Terminators and other units and or just to generally supress infantry units/taking potshots at vehicles with the multimelta. The lascannon raiders never really fitted into my vision of how a BA army is run so I opted for the other kits.
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Let's be real here. Can we be real for a sec? The Crusader is the only Land Raider.
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S.J. posted:BBB was 3rd, BGB was 4th, BRB was 5th It must have been a regional thing because I only ever heard and saw bgb for 5th. The internet is full of hams saying this is the end of 40k, how allies will ruin everything, how flyers will be unstoppable, that all the army builds they use no longer work and all kinds of hand ringing and self flagellation. I like how all the complaints about allies screwing with the fluff ignores the actual rules. The whole levels of allies and other stuff. Nope, someone bitching about nobs being transported in stormravens and other crap that you actually can't do. I always find I fill up on troops before i start taking other stuff. For some reason just taking 1 hq and 2 troops makes me feel dirty. Even when its guard or something else that has cheap plentiful troops. And no one answered my question about Gunslinger; is it a special rule or just a general rule about having 2 pistols? What ever it is, its a good indication that Cypher is coming back in some form. Hah, maybe he's the center piece of the new starter set.
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Jul 4, 2012 10:17
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Gunslinger is a general rule about 2 pistols. Cypher is 100% not in the starter, we know the contents. Now answer one of mine: I saw a list on ytth with 4 Vindicators, and that got me thinking. Do you guys think Vindicators could be good now???
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Jul 4, 2012 10:20
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Phyresis posted:Let's be real here. Can we be real for a sec? The Crusader is the only Land Raider. That was 5E. This is 6E. Phyresis posted:Do you guys think Vindicators could be good now??? Vindicators got better by virtue of demolisher cannons becoming awesome. I'm not sure I'd call them good, but I am excited about my pair having a much better chance of blasting vehicles.
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Jul 4, 2012 10:27
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Phyresis posted:Gunslinger is a general rule about 2 pistols. Cypher is 100% not in the starter, we know the contents. Now answer one of mine: I saw a list on ytth with 4 Vindicators, and that got me thinking. Do you guys think Vindicators could be good now??? I saw it too, pretty scary list for 1430 points. 4 TLAC dreads, 4 vindicators, 2 psykers with good, interacting powers and 25 scoring marines. Also 3 dual MM Speeders.
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Phyresis posted:Gunslinger is a general rule about 2 pistols. Cypher is 100% not in the starter, we know the contents. Now answer one of mine: I saw a list on ytth with 4 Vindicators, and that got me thinking. Do you guys think Vindicators could be good now??? They got better, that's for sure. But any vehicle that needs to get within 24" to fire is going to get murdered by glances against 'crons and GK. And anything fast will be able to assault it and hit rear armor on 3+....
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FrickenMoron posted:I saw it too, pretty scary list for 1430 points. 4 TLAC dreads, 4 vindicators, 2 psykers with good, interacting powers and 25 scoring marines. Also 3 dual MM Speeders. Stelek's list formatting has never been not terrible. That's the points cost for just the Space Marines PD. The SW AD costs 490 so the total is 1920 points, I actually have to cut a Land Speeder in order to play this list on Friday, which I will. Because I own it except for the Vindies and I can proxy them, and if I like the list I can just buy the cannon bit and turn 4 of my redundant Rhinos into these, which is just wins all around for everyone involved (not Pierre though)
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Jul 4, 2012 10:33
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Phyresis posted:Gunslinger is a general rule about 2 pistols. Cypher is 100% not in the starter, we know the contents. Now answer one of mine: I saw a list on ytth with 4 Vindicators, and that got me thinking. Do you guys think Vindicators could be good now??? You can run 8 Vindicators (1 Fast) in 2000 points now, and nothing can assault from reserves.
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Jul 4, 2012 10:41
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So can my Dark Eldar Warriors shoot out of their raider before the raider moves flat out? This just seems like it would be too good to be true.
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Minion of Cthulhu posted:So can my Dark Eldar Warriors shoot out of their raider before the raider moves flat out? This just seems like it would be too good to be true. models can't shoot out of transports that move flat out
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Jul 4, 2012 10:46
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I was wondering about if they shot before the raider went flat out.
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Jul 4, 2012 10:48
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Minion of Cthulhu posted:I was wondering about if they shot before the raider went flat out. It says "if the vehicle moves Flat Out that turn" and I think they specify that turn so that you can't shoot and then decide to move flat out later. Or else it would say "if the vehicle had moved Flat Out."
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Jul 4, 2012 10:50
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Minion of Cthulhu posted:I was wondering about if they shot before the raider went flat out. "[Models] cannot fire if the vehicle moves Flat Out or uses Smoke Launcers that turn."
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Jul 4, 2012 10:51
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It would have been a perfect drive-by too  thanks!
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Jul 4, 2012 10:55
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bhsman posted:-Wayland Games Another store with lots of discounts that is popular with European players. Anyone who likes Wayland should have their genitals irradiated. It's a terrible, terrible store that nobody has any right buying from. Is it worth including some links or info about carrying case options? There always seems to be a steady stream of questions on them.
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Not sure if this has been asked or if I'm being blind but have the done away with MC's needing to be at least 50% obscured to gain a cover save? I know there's the 25% rule for cover from terrain, but the Intervening Models rule doesn't have a percentage, so by this logic a Tervigon will get a cover save from the Termagants in front of it?
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Fuegan posted:Not sure if this has been asked or if I'm being blind but have the done away with MC's needing to be at least 50% obscured to gain a cover save? I know there's the 25% rule for cover from terrain, but the Intervening Models rule doesn't have a percentage, so by this logic a Tervigon will get a cover save from the Termagants in front of it? MC rules got compressed, which is nice, so there's nothing about them needing 50%. The 25% cover rule applies to all cover, not just terrain, if you check the shooting section.
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Some friends are going to start anew or just start playing. I originally wanted to play SoBs but I read that they will be mail-order only, and metal figs cost a fair bit so I decided to go for my original love in the warhams universe, Tyranids. I have not read the codex yet but is a Tervigon with 2 squads of Termagaunts with Devourer and Mysetic Spores a good start? From what I read that should be a solid combo even in larger games.
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milward posted:Some friends are going to start anew or just start playing. I originally wanted to play SoBs but I read that they will be mail-order only, and metal figs cost a fair bit so I decided to go for my original love in the warhams universe, Tyranids. Mycetic Spores don't have an official model, and even if they did, I'd recommend against them at the moment until we figure out 6th a bit more. The first thing you need to get is a Hive Tyrant, two Tervigons, and a bunch of Termagants. Don't ever buy Warriors, Pyrovores, Lictors, Carnifexes, or Trygons. Maybe Trygons, but hold off on them until later. Phyresis fucked around with this message at 11:29 on Jul 4, 2012 |
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Jul 4, 2012 11:26
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Quick question about simple green: is it safe to use on resin models?
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Mango Polo posted:Quick question about simple green: is it safe to use on resin models? Yeah I left a Forgeworld drop pod in simple green for like 6 months and it was fine. In fact, it works much better on resin than it ever has on plastic for me. I need to get something better for plastic, does LA's Totally Awesome work or does it melt it?
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Phyresis posted:Yeah I left a Forgeworld drop pod in simple green for like 6 months and it was fine. In fact, it works much better on resin than it ever has on plastic for me. I need to get something better for plastic, does LA's Totally Awesome work or does it melt it? I had some crisis suits in a bucket of it for a month, and they're fine. It's great stuff.
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cat with hands posted:Also FnP rolls for anything not S10, which is huge. Plus now you hit vehicles really easy in CC, meltabombs are great and it it's super easy to glance vehicles to death. Bikes don't get HoW.
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GW strikes again! I ordered 5 of the fancy tape measures as soon as they went up as i thought that they were limited. When i realised my error, i rang them up and they cancelled my order and refunded my money. I then replaced my order for just 1. Today, 6 arrive!
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Saalkin posted:Bikes don't get HoW. They do. Page 45 of the rulebook.
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Lungboy posted:GW strikes again! I ordered 5 of the fancy tape measures as soon as they went up as i thought that they were limited. When i realised my error, i rang them up and they cancelled my order and refunded my money. I then replaced my order for just 1. Today, 6 arrive! I assume you are a good person and you are going to return them, if not, send me one 
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PierreTheMime posted:I agree with Phyresis recommendations, though one caveat might be that you should buy one or two Warriors seperately so you can model yourself Tyranid Primes for cheap and effective HQs for small games. Make Boneswords and Lashwhips out of Scything Talons and other bitz instead of buy the expensive kit they offer now (after something like three years of no official model). The new Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord kits are really great and a vast, vast improvement over the original kit. Phyresis posted:I assume you are a good person and you are going to return them, if not, send me one PierreTheMime fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Jul 4, 2012 |
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It's a shame that the red eyepiece is the release mechanism for the tape, it would be awesome removing it and fitting it with one of the laser pointers they did a few years back.
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Here's an oldie but goodie: Do Teleport Homers work with Gate of Infinity? This was never resolved. The argument for Locator Beacons affecting GoI is much stronger but we have no official ruling on this yet.
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Thanks for the tips. My first goal is 500 pts, and IŽll buy one box at the time and paint to avoid the bazillion unpainted figs I had with SM. I had upwards 2K pts and only a handful painted so I traded some and gave most to my brother to add to his DAs. IŽll start with a box of gants and paints. IŽd ask for an army list but since I don't own the codex yet that might be bordering on :files:. What is a good HQ at that level? I want a winged tyrant but I can wait if something else is better suited for a small force.
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Lungboy posted:Is it worth including some links or info about carrying case options? There always seems to be a steady stream of questions on them. KR Multicase for the cheap/nonbranded route, if that's your thing. I've only just started with 40K so I wasn't locked into Battle Foam or GW cases, and I like the KR stuff quite a bit. I have a collection of old D&D and Heavy Gear miniatures stretching way back, so with the 40K army rapidly expanding I plumped for 3 cases: one for 40K figures, one for 40K vehicles (pluck foam) and another for D&D & sci-fi models.
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Ghoulish Sandwich posted:I had some crisis suits in a bucket of it for a month, and they're fine. It's great stuff. Phyresis posted:Yeah I left a Forgeworld drop pod in simple green for like 6 months and it was fine. In fact, it works much better on resin than it ever has on plastic for me. I need to get something better for plastic, does LA's Totally Awesome work or does it melt it? Awesome, thanks. I've been painting my first marines (which is surprisingly hard to do right when my previous experience was tyranids + washes  ) and there's a lot of resin models I need to redo.
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Phyresis posted:Here's an oldie but goodie: Do Teleport Homers work with Gate of Infinity? This was never resolved. The argument for Locator Beacons affecting GoI is much stronger but we have no official ruling on this yet. Teleport Homers specifically mention that they only work for models in Terminator armor arriving from Deep Strike. Technically, if you use Gate of Infinity in Terminator are it would work since the models are arriving using the Deep Strike rules. milward posted:Thanks for the tips. My first goal is 500 pts, and IŽll buy one box at the time and paint to avoid the bazillion unpainted figs I had with SM. I had upwards 2K pts and only a handful painted so I traded some and gave most to my brother to add to his DAs. A solid basic list would look something like this: HQ: Tyranid Prime 100pts ++Bonesword and Lashwhip ++Deathspitter Elite: 3x Hive Guard 150pts Troops: 11x Termagant 55pts Tervigon 195pts ++Adrenal Glands ++Catalyst ++Cluster Spines ++Toxin Sacs Total Points: 500pts Total Models: 16 PierreTheMime fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Jul 4, 2012 |
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