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SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
熱くなれ夢みた明日を
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走り出せ振り向くことなく
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Paddyo posted:

Of course! That's what we all love about 40K, right?
The Night Lord's hate of Chaos is pretty funny

"BLOOD FOR THE BL-"

"SHUT UP! SHUT THE gently caress UP! I HATE YOU SO MUCH"

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Paddyo
Aug 3, 2007


SardonicTyrant posted:

The Night Lord's hate of Chaos is pretty funny

"BLOOD FOR THE BL-"

"SHUT UP! SHUT THE gently caress UP! I HATE YOU SO MUCH"

"This is a purely secular skinning pit..."

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface


SardonicTyrant posted:

The Night Lord's hate of Chaos is pretty funny

"BLOOD FOR THE BL-"

"SHUT UP! SHUT THE gently caress UP! I HATE YOU SO MUCH"

Those interactions are the best part of the books.

Technowolf
Nov 4, 2009




Ego-bot posted:

Do we ever get an answer on why Abaddon didn't just kill the guy?

Isn't he the only guy who really knows how to create new marines for the chaos forces basically? It's either go to him or see what sick thing the Iron Warriors have cooked up this time.

Marin Karin
Jul 29, 2011

What are you, compared to my magnificence?


The fact they still stick up for Uzas is what really transcends their relationship from simple hateful bickering to something truly great. We all despise each other, but gently caress you if you talk poo poo about my brother.

Zasze
Apr 29, 2009


Technowolf posted:

Isn't he the only guy who really knows how to create new marines for the chaos forces basically? It's either go to him or see what sick thing the Iron Warriors have cooked up this time.

Nah there are the remnants of dark mechanicum and legion apothicaries bumping around who can make new marines.

The reason fabius bile gets away with his brand off bullshit is he is probably the only mortal alive who understands what makes primarchs tick.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXxFFHSuGqw

It's funny because it's true.

ed balls balls man
Apr 17, 2006


Technowolf posted:

Isn't he the only guy who really knows how to create new marines for the chaos forces basically? It's either go to him or see what sick thing the Iron Warriors have cooked up this time.

I think it's more for the smaller warbands who don't have access to as much legion legacy equipment etc.

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface


Zasze posted:

Nah there are the remnants of dark mechanicum and legion apothicaries bumping around who can make new marines.

The reason fabius bile gets away with his brand off bullshit is he is probably the only mortal alive who understands what makes primarchs tick.

Though making new marines for them isnt super easy because they basically are hosed in regards to geneseed.

Any scavenging geneseed leads to more splintering because everyone loving hates the newbies.

abrosheen
Oct 28, 2010


Technowolf posted:

Isn't he the only guy who really knows how to create new marines for the chaos forces basically? It's either go to him or see what sick thing the Iron Warriors have cooked up this time.

Already mentioned on this page for different reasons, but the Night Lords trilogy spends a decent amount of time on their efforts toward developing some new space Marines. It seems like a pretty grim process, unsurprisingly, without spoiling it.

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


Theoretically any Apocathary knows how to perform the process, but it requires a lot of resources and equipment, and has a high fail rate.

Assuming you can find an Apocathary that isn't mad or terminally mutated or whatever.

Shockeh
Feb 24, 2009

Now be a dear and
fuck the fuck off.


Reminder: Two canon Apothecaries were Talos and Fabius. You don’t have good odds of finding one still interested in the ‘fixing things’ angle.

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013



Shockeh posted:

Reminder: Two canon Apothecaries were Talos and Fabius. You don’t have good odds of finding one still interested in the ‘fixing things’ angle.

IIRC, Fabius is still incredibly interested in the 'fixing things' angle. He just comes at it from a really different angle.

Gunder
May 21, 2003

97.5 The Brodeo


Just started reading The Emperor's Legion, the first book in the Watchers of the Throne series. The passage where Valerian takes his journey down into the throne room of the palace is the coolest thing I've ever read in the Black Library. So different from how I imagined the golden throne, so much cooler. Chris Wraight really did a great job.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix? We just don't know.



Buglord

Shockeh posted:

Reminder: Two canon Apothecaries were Talos and Fabius. You don’t have good odds of finding one still interested in the ‘fixing things’ angle.

Yeah, chaos techmarines and chaplains seem to have a lot more get up and go than the average chaos apothecary

Paddyo
Aug 3, 2007


Gunder posted:

Just started reading The Emperor's Legion, the first book in the Watchers of the Throne series. The passage where Valerian takes his journey down into the throne room of the palace is the coolest thing I've ever read in the Black Library. So different from how I imagined the golden throne, so much cooler. Chris Wraight really did a great job.

I'm just starting the Valdor book. Wraight really is on the same level as ADB and Abnett for me now. His books are consistently good.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016



Fabius isn't the only Chaos dude who knows how to make new marines but he's probably the only one with a reasonable shot at making Chaos' answer to the Primaris project. He was making meaningful (if very mad-sciency) improvements to the space marine template all the way back before Fulgrim turned evil due to touching a bad sword.

Noblesse Obliged
Apr 7, 2012



Fallen Hamprince posted:

Fabius isn't the only Chaos dude who knows how to make new marines but he's probably the only one with a reasonable shot at making Chaos' answer to the Primaris project. He was making meaningful (if very mad-sciency) improvements to the space marine template all the way back before Fulgrim turned evil due to touching a bad sword.

Thought Fabius sees space marines as a dead end and instead believes in his “new men” which are to take over for both baseline humans and marines.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009





Gunder posted:

Just started reading The Emperor's Legion, the first book in the Watchers of the Throne series. The passage where Valerian takes his journey down into the throne room of the palace is the coolest thing I've ever read in the Black Library. So different from how I imagined the golden throne, so much cooler. Chris Wraight really did a great job.

The next book is great too

(It starts a little slow)

boredsatellite
Dec 7, 2013



In the middle of reading the Horus Heresy White Scars book

drat they are good

hopterque
Mar 9, 2007

     sup


boredsatellite posted:

In the middle of reading the Horus Heresy White Scars book

drat they are good

the white scars are very cool and really i want an entire series of them being charmingly enigmatic and hooting and hollering while they ride down xenos and traitors

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009





The vaults of terra flow right into the wardens of the throne books too

So it’s a 4 book series at this point I guess

boredsatellite
Dec 7, 2013



hopterque posted:

the white scars are very cool and really i want an entire series of them being charmingly enigmatic and hooting and hollering while they ride down xenos and traitors

They really are. I went from being uncaring about them to them being one of my favorite legions now.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

There were...
ABSOLUTELY NO CONSEQUENCES.



With the announcement of the new edition of 40k, they've announced a new maxi series like Horus Heresy or Beast Arises set in the 'present'.

Laughing Zealot
Oct 10, 2012



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SeXw5D8Xa4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9V0bOB8sXQ

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

I MEAN, TURN OFF YOURE MONITOR, MIGTH EXPLAIN YOUR BAD POSTS, HOPE THIS HELPS?!


Now I've got to find new pants...

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


Guard does all the dying, Astartes just does the fighting.

I like the new title font.

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant



I'm glad they're pushing the Sisters and am excited to see more Necron POVs even if it's just them getting owned.

bagrada
Aug 4, 2007

The Demogorgon is tired of your silly human bickering!



Can anyone explain how the Warhammer End Times books worked? Amazon has a five novel bundle, but it also lists pairs of softcover books that I'm sure were also released in premium hardcover. For instance "Warhammer End Times: Khaine" has one book with 144 pages of story and another with 48 pages of rules. Is the story the same one that's in the ebook novels that includes The Curse of Khaine by Gav Thorpe?

Khaine softcover
ebook collection

I'm curious to read these, even though the story might get binned like Star Wars Legends when they bring The Old World back.

Pyrolocutus
Feb 4, 2005
Shape of Flame

I kind of hope they finish up the Dark Imperium novels even with the implied timeskip, granted it was a ton of bolter porn / new model featuring but I kinda liked the additional looks into the Death Guard and Guilliman's coming to grips with the state of the modern Imperium.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006


Pyrolocutus posted:

I kind of hope they finish up the Dark Imperium novels even with the implied timeskip, granted it was a ton of bolter porn / new model featuring but I kinda liked the additional looks into the Death Guard and Guilliman's coming to grips with the state of the modern Imperium.

I don't believe there is a timeskip. The new BL series and releases will still be set during the 100 years of the Indomitus Crusade. I think it's just going to be a more cohesive series like Beast Arises. It may even pick up where DI left off?

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface


boredsatellite posted:

In the middle of reading the Horus Heresy White Scars book

drat they are good

I believe those are the ones that also do a good job at explaining how mentally hosed all post heresy marines are both by design and trauma.

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!


D-Pad posted:

I don't believe there is a timeskip. The new BL series and releases will still be set during the 100 years of the Indomitus Crusade. I think it's just going to be a more cohesive series like Beast Arises. It may even pick up where DI left off?

The problem is that Dark Imperium starts after the Indomitus Crusade. It's official ending happens near the beginning of the first book, in fact. Dawn of Fire takes place before Dark Imperium, the same way that the Psychic Awakening stuff does....during the Crusade.

It turns out that after getting used to every last minute of the Horus Heresy being examined in excruciating detail, 40k fans were not willing accept a century long time skip that said "and the Indomitus Crusade happened." So GW through Psychic Awakening and BL through Dawn of Fire, are going back to right after the Fall of Cadia and filling in the blanks as to what the hell actually happened during the Indomitus Crusade, which will be their next big project for years, I imagine. Maybe, if we're very lucky, they'll deign to finish Dark Imperium, if only to resolve Bobby vs Morty on Iax, but given BL's tendency to truncate trilogies into duologies without prior notice (looking at you Gothic War novels, among many others) we may never get that. Or they'll cover it in two paragraphs of fluff in the 9th edition Marine Codex, whenever that happens.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


So was the Vigilus disaster during Indomitus or during one of the subsequent wars following the establishment of the new status quo?

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!


Arcsquad12 posted:

So was the Vigilus disaster during Indomitus or during one of the subsequent wars following the establishment of the new status quo?

During. It's actually one of the earliest battles of the Crusade because everyone and their mother tried to take Vigilus as soon as everyone realized how important it was, so Bobby sent Marneus and friends to hold it, which succeeds at the cost of Marneus getting his poo poo kicked in by Abby, requiring him to become a Primaris to survive.

Vigilius is the last stand of small marine Marneus Calgar, and he's Primaris in everything since then, including the Dark Imperium books.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

There were...
ABSOLUTELY NO CONSEQUENCES.



jng2058 posted:

During. It's actually one of the earliest battles of the Crusade because everyone and their mother tried to take Vigilus as soon as everyone realized how important it was, so Bobby sent Marneus and friends to hold it, which succeeds at the cost of Marneus getting his poo poo kicked in by Abby, requiring him to become a Primaris to survive.

Vigilius is the last stand of small marine Marneus Calgar, and he's Primaris in everything since then, including the Dark Imperium books.

Huh, I thought that Marneus got made Primaris before Vigilus. They dropped his rules in the first Vigilus book, he's even on the cover. It makes more sense to be that way, though.

Pyrolocutus
Feb 4, 2005
Shape of Flame

Yvonmukluk posted:

Huh, I thought that Marneus got made Primaris before Vigilus. They dropped his rules in the first Vigilus book, he's even on the cover. It makes more sense to be that way, though.

E: NM I double checked and Marneus got put through the Primaris procedure before Vigilus.

Pyrolocutus fucked around with this message at 22:34 on May 23, 2020

x1o
Aug 5, 2005

My focus is UNPARALLELED!


Hoping the increase in Necron action sees more Ad Mech action. The toaster touchers are going to be all over this new necron threat like augmented moths to a flame.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady


x1o posted:

Hoping the increase in Necron action sees more Ad Mech action. The toaster touchers are going to be all over this new necron threat like augmented moths to a flame nixie tube.

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Biplane
Jul 18, 2005



I just finished Fire Caste by Peter Fehervari, which was great but seems like it was only accidentally a 40k novel. The dude wrote Requiem Infernal which was very 40k and also great. I was on a tau binge when I saw it and thought, neat, a tau novel by a good writer. And again, it was pretty drat good but only peripherally a tau novel I feel.

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