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Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair


Biplane posted:

Silent Hunters was really loving good everyone

How are the Macniven Space Shark novels? And should I read them before Silent Hunters or does it not matter as long as I know the basics about the chapter?

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Silly Newbie
Jul 25, 2007
How do I?

Anyone else low key irritated by the inconsistency with which Marines are portrayed with helmets on and off? It sometimes feels like I'm reading, in the same passage, accounts of na enemy seeing the expression on a space marine's face followed by a blow glancing off his helm.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005



Inspector_666 posted:

How are the Macniven Space Shark novels? And should I read them before Silent Hunters or does it not matter as long as I know the basics about the chapter?

The MacNiven ones were good, and I was a bit wary seeing this was written by a new guy, but honestly it may be better than the first two. And no, apart from some of the same characters appearing in the book, I think it could easily just be read as a one off.

Miguel Prado
Nov 5, 2008

Don't worry, like they say " It's all good! "

I am about 40% into Silent Hunters and its good, the author is not on ADB/Abnett/CWs tier but its an enjoyable read.

So are the space sharks a night lords offshoot? Pale, sharp teeth and black eyes.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005



Raven guard I think?

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

If you will not serve in combat, you will serve on the firing line!




Don't think it's actually been clarified but the current theory is Raven Guard based on their looks.

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.



Night Lords would have been the cool option so of course they went with the boring one

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix? We just don't know.



Buglord

Biplane posted:

Raven guard I think?

They're "officially" RG successors but heavily implied to be descended from the Night Lords (unless that's changed, I'm only on Red Tithe)

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urOqVjyMdFY

Fun fantasy / science fiction youtuber takes a dive into Black Library books and starts with Eisenhorn.

No. 1 Juicy Boi
Jun 1, 2003

#1 JUICY BOY



Buglord

Arcsquad12 posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urOqVjyMdFY

Fun fantasy / science fiction youtuber takes a dive into Black Library books and starts with Eisenhorn.

Oh hell yeah, I love his Wheel of Time content, glad he's getting into 40k stuff

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005



Wheel of Time, god drat. I was super into it growing up, so bummed when the author died. Brandon Sanderson finished it okay but it wasn't the same.

Pyrolocutus
Feb 4, 2005
Shape of Flame





There's a working theory that Space Sharks are actually hybrid Raven Guard / Night Lords.

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!



Biplane posted:

Wheel of Time, god drat. I was super into it growing up, so bummed when the author died. Brandon Sanderson finished it okay but it wasn't the same.

TV series on Amazon Prime sometime this year, by the way!

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

We will make electricity so cheap that only the rich will burn candles.


Honestly I'm not so sure they aren't descended from one of the lost legions. They call their primarch the forgotten one and are exiled to the void outside the galaxy. Everything about them is unlike any other chapter.

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface


D-Pad posted:

Honestly I'm not so sure they aren't descended from one of the lost legions. They call their primarch the forgotten one and are exiled to the void outside the galaxy. Everything about them is unlike any other chapter.

A bunch of chapters call their Primarch some variation of the forgotton one because they don't actually know who their parent legion was and thus don't know who their primarch is. Blood Ravens are one prominent example but I know there are others.

Also Chapters get exiled or sent to the rim somewhat frequently.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


Blood Ravens just consider themselves Unknown Primarch successors because they're paranoid about people finding out the Thousand Sons connection.

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.


Arcsquad12 posted:

Blood Ravens just consider themselves Unknown Primarch successors because they're paranoid about people finding out the Thousand Sons connection.

Captain Diomedes wants to have a word with you.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


Angry Lobster posted:

Captain Diomedes wants to have a word with you.

Hes just a chaplain now. I might have to do penance.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO


Angry Lobster posted:

Captain Diomedes wants to have a word with you.

He's too busy being hit and pinned here.

And the space sharks being another splicing freak accident/sabotage like the Raptors of the RG would be good enough.

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.


Arcsquad12 posted:

Hes just a chaplain now. I might have to do penance.

Just a chaplain? Don't mess with chaplains, they will make you repent.


MariusLecter posted:

He's too busy being hit and pinned here.

And the space sharks being another splicing freak accident/sabotage like the Raptors of the RG would be good enough.

Bald and foolish indeed. And all this talk about the new space sharks book has made me curious, I've only read Red Tithe.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ANC08vkKoI

No. 1 Juicy Boi
Jun 1, 2003

#1 JUICY BOY



Buglord

Someone took the short story The Last Church and made it into a SEVENTY ONE MINUTE ANIMATED FILM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPbqDF_Q_sk

I'm only a few minutes in, but it's pretty decent for some guy's passion project.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

We will make electricity so cheap that only the rich will burn candles.


No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:

Someone took the short story The Last Church and made it into a SEVENTY ONE MINUTE ANIMATED FILM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPbqDF_Q_sk

I'm only a few minutes in, but it's pretty decent for some guy's passion project.

I wasn't going to watch the whole thing, but I ended up watching it all. It's good. Voice acting is well done.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix? We just don't know.



Buglord

D-Pad posted:

Honestly I'm not so sure they aren't descended from one of the lost legions. They call their primarch the forgotten one and are exiled to the void outside the galaxy. Everything about them is unlike any other chapter.

I also kinda think this is possible

Red Tithe posted:

The Emperor. To the miserable convicts of Zartak, a distant, uncaring god on a planet none of them would ever see. To the Adeptus Astartes, the great primogenitor and mightiest leader mankind would ever know. To the Carcharodon Astra he was Rangu, the Void Father, sire of the Forgotten One. Like the Carcharodons, his vigilance was eternal, a beacon in the night, the bane of the encroaching shadows. Sharr’s Chapter had left humanity for the emptiness of the Outer Dark when He had still walked among mortals, and they would not return until He did so once again. Only with the coming of the Forgotten One could the Edicts of Exile be overturned, and the Chapter’s eternal crusade in the darkness be brought to an end.
Sharr knew that some, like Te Kahurangi, did not believe such a thing would ever happen. He did not share the Chief Librarian’s pessimism. The Carcharodon Astra were a faithful brotherhood, even by the standards of the Adeptus Astartes. Their creed was an old one, older than the superstitions and misbeliefs of the current Imperial Cult. Theirs was not some blind faith based on hollow praise and lavish donations. Their memories of the Emperor were of a living, breathing titan, and Terra was far more to them than some distant hub of galaxy-spanning bureaucracy. Their connection to it was ancient and primal. It had sustained their loyalty and their determination for ten thousand years, amidst the loneliness of the Outer Dark. When they had first been banished, none had expected them to survive, let alone remain united as a Chapter. But survive they had, their disparate heritage bound by their faith in Him on Earth. Nothing could shake that.

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface


Improbable Lobster posted:

I also kinda think this is possible

I mean the A. That just means they were sent out there up till the end of the heresy and B. We know chapters and SM forces like the ashen claws and basically anyone stationed in the halo region or ghoul stars are going to be basically in the rear end end of nowhere.

poo poo, there are tons of chapters who get the unenviable job of EoT patrol.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix? We just don't know.



Buglord

Telsa Cola posted:

I mean the A. That just means they were sent out there up till the end of the heresy and B. We know chapters and SM forces like the ashen claws and basically anyone stationed in the halo region or ghoul stars are going to be basically in the rear end end of nowhere.

poo poo, there are tons of chapters who get the unenviable job of EoT patrol.

Oh, I know that there's a lot of possible explanations, I just like speculating about the lost legions and loyalist members of traitor legions.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

We will make electricity so cheap that only the rich will burn candles.


Yeah they aren't just in the halo region or ghoul stars their fleets stay straight up outside the galaxy except for occasionally coming to the very edge to do their thing, mostly visiting systems that are the last stop before nothing. The fact that they were exiled and not just stationed far out speaks to something different with their origins.

My hope is they were the few loyalists in one of the lost Primarchs legions who turned traitor and they were allowed to live but in permanent exile.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix? We just don't know.



Buglord

Yeah the Outer Dark isn't just a region, it's the nothingness between galaxies

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface


"They were despatched into the Outer Darkness upon that first Day of Exile, there to ravage the foes of mankind until their final atonement. Their Forgotten One gave them remit unbound, to set about the Traitor, the alien and the Renegade without mercy, and to harrow them in their places of strength. So began their long hunt. They hunt still."

This sounds like their primarch exiled them himself or was at least around to direct them with authority when they got exiled.

Just a SM force that pissed someone off.

Consider this bit of back story for the Ashen Claws

"Instead, the Raven Lord formed the vast majority of the remaining Veterans of the old XIX Legion, along with those freed from Deliverance whose crimes and demeanour left them ill at odds with the Primarch's perception of his Legion, and formed them into Crusade fleets. These fleets were dispatched into the dim stars of the northeastern galactic fringe, known to explorers of the time as the Ghoul Stars, there to bring the light of the Emperor to the dark at the edges of the galaxy, far from the eyes of the fledgling Imperium and the brooding lord of the Raven Guard."

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO


Sounds like first founding Terran astartes for sure.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

We will make electricity so cheap that only the rich will burn candles.


Luther is out. I already read it when it was an LE and really enjoyed it for the DA lore. Recommended.

Miguel Prado
Nov 5, 2008

Don't worry, like they say " It's all good! "

D-Pad posted:

Luther is out. I already read it when it was an LE and really enjoyed it for the DA lore. Recommended.

I usually agree with your opinions but this is a book by Gav Thorpe, the lore must be really juicy

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.


Miguel Prado posted:

I usually agree with your opinions but this is a book by Gav Thorpe, the lore must be really juicy

My thoughts exactly, people say it's good but it's freaking Gav Thorpe.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010


I just finished the intro chapter of the new Space Sharks novel and wow, what an atmospheric opening. Looking forward to the rest.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair


I just finished Pentient last night and I'm still buzzing. For a second when Beta goes to The City Of Dust and she's describing the incredible architecture I thought the King might be Dorn, but then the reveal was

I also love that Constantine's real name is millions of characters long, given what we already know about how Custodes names work. What a loving badass.


Also I absolutely love all of the Queen Mab characters now. Renner fuckin' rules, Dance and Unvence are a great pair, it's a great setting.

Inspector_666 fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Apr 3, 2021

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

We will make electricity so cheap that only the rich will burn candles.


Miguel Prado posted:

I usually agree with your opinions but this is a book by Gav Thorpe, the lore must be really juicy

Well it's pretty short so he has less time to suck, but the format lends itself to some good lore. It's basically a series of short stories that Luther relates to various DA chapter masters over 10k years about what they were like before the Lion on Caliban. Which means no lovely bolter porn from Gav, nor enough runway to gently caress up a plot.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

If you will not serve in combat, you will serve on the firing line!




So I think I hit one of the best parts of Silent Hunters, which is pretty impressive since it also has a ghost shark in it.

But the part where the Dark Eldar dracon they've had in captivity is about to face his captor while striking a dazzling pose, while completely naked as well, only to get completely hosed down by ice cold water. I was laughing my rear end off in that case.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

We will make electricity so cheap that only the rich will burn candles.


Cooked Auto posted:

So I think I hit one of the best parts of Silent Hunters, which is pretty impressive since it also has a ghost shark in it.

But the part where the Dark Eldar dracon they've had in captivity is about to face his captor while striking a dazzling pose, while completely naked as well, only to get completely hosed down by ice cold water. I was laughing my rear end off in that case.

Yeah, I don't typically like the Dark Eldar in any of the books for that reason and that scene was great, it only gets better from there. The sharks loving own in this book even more than they do in the other two.

Grammarchist
Jan 28, 2013



Inspector_666 posted:

I just finished Pentient last night and I'm still buzzing. For a second when Beta goes to The City Of Dust and she's describing the incredible architecture I thought the King might be Dorn, but then the reveal was

I also love that Constantine's real name is millions of characters long, given what we already know about how Custodes names work. What a loving badass.


Also I absolutely love all of the Queen Mab characters now. Renner fuckin' rules, Dance and Unvence are a great pair, it's a great setting.

Yeah, all the "normal" people in Penitent are amazing. I can't help but imagine Renner being really lackadaisical about the final reveal.

"Yeah, looks like the King in Yellow is some guy named Constantine Valdor. That mean anything to y'all? He owe you money or something?"

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wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion




Renner has a pretty good perspective for their work: he's already condemned, so it's not like he can can be more cursed.

He's wrong, but he doesn't know that.

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