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CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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The Rat posted:

I dunno, I thought Dead Men Walking was worse for the grimdark factor. Wrath of Iron just left me thinking the Iron Hands are a bunch of insecure douchebags.

Yeah, I've just finished reading Dead Men Walking and The Emperor's Gift yesterday. Dead Men is definitely the grimdarkiest one; poo poo, (spoiling for safety) the only people whom you can argue to get happy endings in that one are the Kriegers who died.

The Emperor's Gift though, was awesome scene after awesome scene, which was amazing for what is essentially a very pessimistic work. Again, spoiling to be safe, but seeing Bjorn face down Logan Grimnar and the Grey Knight who broke Angron's sword was loving amazing :hawaaaafap: That sarcophagus must contain and be powered by his massive balls. And finding out that kid from the Ravenor books grew up to BE that Grey Knight was :allears: I definitely want more.


lonelylikezoidberg posted:

while i realize it is not the comic book forum, is it acceptable to ask about 40k comics in here?

i have a physical copy of Imperial Gothic, which I like, and is fun, but a lot of the comics seem to be GW selling poo poo "oh here's a necron army oh and now space marines are fighting tau too and oh wow theres eldar look at all the poo poo you can buy" and they're kind of crummy in terms of story.

are there any good ones out there?


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CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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They're aliens- what other reason do you need?

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Baron Bifford posted:

A question about Blanks: Blanks are repulsive to other humans, especially psykers, but what about each other? Can Blanks tolerate each other's presence? The Emperor once had a paramilitary force called the Sisters of Silence - if these blanks were able to form a group they must have been able to bond emotionally with each other.

As I understand it, the feeling of wrongness a blank exudes expresses itself in many ways; the most powerful (think capital-P Pariah level) exude an aura of 'should not be' that makes them more terrifying than most daemons- at least daemons are part of the Warp, which is in itself part of the universe. Even if one does not have a soul, one can still feel that aura emanating from them.

And at the other end of the scale is people like Ciaphas Cain's aide Jurgen, who while being able to disrupt psychic signals, is relatively 'un-blank' enough to simply come across as platemail-rumplingly scruffy. I guess the big E only plonked Jurgen-level ladies together in the Sisters, maybe?

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Dodoman posted:

What if it just replicates houses :v:?

Then each house will be unto a fortress, capable of keeping a family in perfect comfort even on Lava Hellworldius III. Seriously, their tractor engines can run on practically any combination of combustible material, Baneblades were a dime a dozen, their civilian hinting rifles are the primary weapon of the Imperium. poo poo, they even moved the Solar System to the middle of a stabilized Galactic Centre just so Earth could be the literal as well as figurative centre of the human empire.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Trast posted:

Are the Sisters of Battle books any good? I like the lore I've been exposed to so far and wouldn't mind some more in-depth stuff.

I liked the books, but I'm an SoB fanboy, so bear that in mind. That said, I like how Swallow genuinely seems to have a grasp on how faith itself is a tangible, powerful force in the Imperium without having Miriya (the books' main character) go Super Imperial Saiyan and stuff.

Basically don't expect her to grow wings of fire and smite the unbeliever with flaming swords, but be sustained through sheer balls-busting faith regardless of the challenge facing her.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Arbite posted:

Since the topic of radicals came up in this thread I'll ask it here as well: if radical inquisitors in Ordo Malleus use Daemonhosts, and radicals in Ordo Xenos use Jokaero and even Orks, what do the radicals of Ordo Hereticus use?

Cults, mostly. The reasoning being 'why waste good lunatics'? DIY cults also have the advantage of being lightning rods for any local Chaos activity; set one up, attract a few flies (especially apropos if they're Nurglite), and then PURGE. Take te credit, and bam, you're a Lord standing on the bodies of heretics you'd have purged anyway. 'Lesser' Radicals might just cultivate close relationships with crime syndicates and whatnot.

Honestly, while I think Radical Malleus Inquisitors are the most individually dangerous, Radical Hereticus dudes are the most insidious.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Evil_Urna posted:

I swear that I remember reading somewhere that an inquisitor somewhere diverted a space hulk teeming with da boyz to wipe out a planet on the cheap.

It might also refer to Inquisitor Kryptmann sending 'Nids to Orkish worlds, perhaps. Blood Axe mercenaries could also be hired to do the Emperor's work.

Cooked Auto posted:

So once you get past the plodding Rogue Trader parts in the second Enforcer book and onto the main trial of the plot the book suddenly becomes amazing when all the plots really start to unravel and crashing into each other at super speed.

And this is why the Enforcer books are awesome; what seems slow and plodding at one moment, suddenly takes everything into hyperdrive. I think the third book is a better example though.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Fried Chicken posted:

I don't know about the Jokero thing though. Amberly Vail is a Puritain Inquisitor who hates Radicals (and Tech Priests, for good reason as we come to find out) but she still uses a Digital Needler.

The Jokaero are arguably nonsentient though; technology is just a weird thing they produce. We get leather and milk from space cows, space wheat from space plants, and tech from Jokaero. Might as well burn people for eating grox steaks, is what I'm saying.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Evil_Urna posted:

I remember from the really old fluff that any attempts to harness the Jokaero just ended up with them building a means of escape instead of what you wanted. Also I would imagine space ape poo throwing also.

That's right. These days, the Imperium just puts the apes into a large reservation/pen/whatever, throws in scrap tech sometimes, and then picks up whatever super Legos the Jokaero make before handing them to Techpriests to find out what the hell they do.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Cooked Auto posted:

Oh yes, the ending for Legacy totally came out of left field and surprised me quite a bit. Going into Blind is going to be interesting. I really hope he'll return for more stuff. And I need to get the DH book Farrer wrote stuff for as well at some point.

The fluff of the DH book (Book of Judgement) is great at fluffing out both the Arbites and their opponents- which is good, because in terms of mechanics, it varies between iffy and :shepicide: (seriously, a 1d10+9 shotgun with semi-auto capabilities?).

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Mechafunkzilla posted:

And has tearing, and has pen 4, and that's just the human version. So I don't think that shotgun is particularly crazy.

A bolter also has all kinds of technotheology involved in its making and that of its ammunition. Hell, with the exception of range, this shotgun is somewhat better than a bolter- Pen 4 ain't gonna count for much against an unarmoured enemy. This is a human-use shotgun with Astartes weapon damage (seriously, check out Deathwatch's shotguns). That said, this kind of talk is better suited to Trad Games.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Except those involving the Sororitas :eng101: Seriously, I picked up his Blood Angels stuff after reading Faith and Fire, and uuurgh.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Baron Bifford posted:

What happens when the workers try to unionize?

Seriouspost: Most of the time, anything other than slavish devotion is seen as heresy, so most Emperor-fearing workers (and to be honest, there's a lot of them) purge themselves and/or seek redemption for such thoughts ASAP. Should an actual movement begin, then it's usually up to the PDF and local enforcers to step in. It's in everyone's best interests to do so, lest the Arbites be forced to take action. In such cases, unless there are some truly extraordinary circumstances, the Judge in charge will usually begin the purge starting with the Governor. The Imperial Guard might also be called in.


Baron Bifford posted:

The Imperium is said to be a very oppressive regime, but the fluff says that the Imperium often exerts very little control over the internal politics of its worlds. As long as a planet worships the Emperor, shuns xenos, and pays its tithes, the Imperium lets it handle its affairs as it pleases. By this alone, there is no reason a vibrant democracy couldn't develop on one of its worlds. If all the Imperium is grimdark and that plenty of planets want to rebel, then there must be more to it. What does the Imperium do to planets to keeps them stagnant and oppressive?

There are actually plenty of worlds that aren't 420 GRIMDARK ALL DAY ERRY DAY; you can have vibrant democracies and such, it's just that even on those worlds, knowledge is suppressed, and citizens are constantly kept in a siege mentality. The Ecclesiarchy and Mechanicus help with this, the former by constantly emphasizing the Imperium over the individual, the other controlling knowledge. There's also the other aspects of Imperial rule, such as the Administratum, which help keep planets down. Planet getting too uppity? Raise its tithes and/or reduce offworld trade; you'd best believe those requests get through the red tape.

Also, Governors are necessary for Imperial administration, even if they're democratically elected- for nothing else than having someone to blame if everything goes to pot.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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They're then going to make a book about the rise of the Emperor reborn, right? RIGHT?! :ohdear:

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Trast posted:

:stare: Well, okay then. Never tick off an Inquisitor.

The RPGs introduced the Libricar, who are so Puritan they've gone off the deep end into Radicalism.

See, there's one faction of the Inquisition called the Amalathians, who try to preserve the status quo as much as they can, but even they can see the need for a change once in a while- it's just that said change has to be nice and slow, and generally take no less than, say, 10 generations at least, just to see how it goes. libricar take this one step further, saying that any change is a Bad Thing because it presumes you know the Emperor's Will better than He did.

Also, the sad thing is that considering the sort of people who live through the crap 40K throws at them, the Istvaanians actually have a point. If you want crazy, look at the Horusians- they're like the Thorians (dudes who think Sebastian Thor was the Emperor reborn, and seek to create more such vessels), but they want to recreate loving Horus, that they may tame the forces of Chaos.

And another outright heretical faction are the Phaenonites, who are as close to outright atheists as you can get in the 40Kverse.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Dickeye posted:

THe Space Wolves omnibus is enjoyable just for how loving goofy/metal it is.

William King really does banter very well, I should say, and his leaving the Space Wolves for other book lines was a real blow to the series :(

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Improbable Lobster posted:

I like the idea of a lasgun having just enough intelligence to get mad at the guardsmen that doesn't take care of it.

Remember too that the Eldar managed to gently caress a Chaos God into existence, and while humanity doesn't have the Eldar's psychic quality, they definitely have quantity down pat. What do you think might happen when countless quintillions of fanatics, even the heretical ones, believe in the existence of machine spirits?

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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What do you guys think of the Legion of the Damned ebooks? I've got a little cash stashed away, and I'm thinking of looking at these guys.

EDIT: And how is Andy Hoare's Commissar?

CommissarMega fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Feb 26, 2014

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Any more Skaven books apart from the Grey Seer Thanquol series? I love the furry little bastards. Hell, are here any more plans for more glorious Thanquol without that dumb dwarf-thing and man-thing interfering?

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Cythereal posted:

They're more terrorists in the purest sense of the word. Blood Ravens are the ones with a tendency to grab everything that isn't nailed down and bring a crowbar for the things that are.

And then they steal the nails too.

On a more serious note, how is Down Amongst the Dead Men? Or Baneblade and its spinoff short stories? I'm especially keen on the second one because, you know, Baneblade.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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VanSandman posted:

They are good nun-bolter porn with a side-order of interesting plots and fun characters.

Speaking of which, are there plans to put Red and Black into book form? Paper or ebook, either's fine.

Schneider Heim posted:

It was Catholic as hell, and I have enough of that stuff IRL. I think Flight of the Eisenstein was the best thing I've read from Swallow, and that's not even very good either.

For me, the real draw of the SoB books was that they really caught the wholesale fanaticism of the Imperium, at least in my opinion. I'm also kind of religious in real life, so whenever I read about faith helping someone triumph over their trials, it really resonates with me.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Olanphonia posted:

Pretty sure that's 1d4chan

It is, but even if it wasn't it's pretty obvious it's fanfic, especially if you're familiar with the Exalted tabletop RPG (it's pretty much Exalted: 40K).

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Peztopiary posted:

It's not like Krieg needs them, not now.

In Dead Men Walking, it's shown that Krieg Commissars are actually diplomatic officers, sent to speak to people that Lord-Feldmarschall Gunther #7KD-792-2520 either doesn't have the time or is too autistic to speak to. The 'party face', so to speak.

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CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

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Why wouldn't GW publish a Doc Eldar collection? Last I heard they've published the story of a (the? Dunno my Eldar fluff) Phoenix Lord, so why not a short colelction of Doc Eldar stories?

EDIT: Someone mentioned ADB keeping close contact with fans? I know he lurks /tg/ at least.

CommissarMega fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Aug 18, 2015

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