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lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Surely it should be Legion -> Deliberance lost?

Does Know no Fear tie in to Legion in some way I havent picked up thats totally awesome? Or am I just an idiot for not picking up on something obvious?

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lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Mowglis Haircut posted:

Ollanus Pious, the farmer guy, is the same type of immortal psyker that John Grammaticus is in Legion, as well as belonging to The Cabal. In fact, he even talks about knowing John Grammaticus.

Ok so legion->know no fear/deliverance lost.

It's not that bad. Not great but not terrible either

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

ChrisAsmadi posted:

I too just finished Pariah, and I wonder if Eisenhorn has THE Alpharius in his warband or just AN Alpharius.

Thats the point isn't it? How mind blowing would that be though?

edit: Angron is in the book but he's outclassed in badassness very very quickly upon his appearance.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Hey, it's Eisenhorn. We know what side he's on. Even if the next books statue otherwise.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Mechafunkzilla posted:

It's in the Ork Codex.

I think it's in the main rulebook isn't it? "the resulting Waaagh was stopped amidst the confusion" or something like that? On the page after the awesome "this is how a waagh looks" drawing, where the fleet gets eaten by a void whale.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Kegslayer posted:


Compared to say Guilliman, the Emperor is horrible at understanding and managing people.

Guilliman's job is to manage the empire. See that absolutely awesome section of Prospero Burns.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Codex: Wood Eldar

Finally! An exodite list!

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

I think Andy Chambers or Warwick Kinrade wanted to do the primary returning thing after the eye of terror and was quietly pushed out of the writing team as a consequence, there's an interview about it somewhere.

I mean it was heavily implied that russ is still alive and is coordinating the 13th company from the warp - well, what could kill russ anyway?

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Ultramar secedes, tau advance, tyranids strike into segmentum solar, necrons wake up, eldar go from dying to nearly dead, orks waagh far beyond Armageddon, chaos burst out of the eye of terror like a tsunami.

The endgame gets more apocolyptic, the universe gets grimdarker, everyone gets hosed over by everyone else.

That's a more exciting fluff situation than the current one of imperium beset by aliens, still basically winning.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Impaired Casing posted:


Double Edit: Quick question, is that very old book "Space Marine" any good, or is it too dated? I liked the Inquisition War by the same guy, even though it was a little weird.

The Space Marine novel is rad as hell, very homoerotic, full of crazy poo poo and probably nails the alien-ness of the marines better than anything I've ever read. If I remember correctly, there's a scene when the main character strips his arm to the bone to do some idle scrimshaw.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Azran posted:

I thought Tycho was originally the name some guy gave his Captain in a White Dwarf Battle Report. In-game, he died, and so they kept that as "canon"?

Nah it was a big game at GW HQ during the War for Armageddon. There was a massive death company painted up and led by Death Company Tycho. There's a brilliant bit of background I read in a WD not too long ago (it's the one with the summary) where Lemartes slowly watches Tycho's sanity leaving as he succumbs to the visions of Sanguinius. Absolutely crackin' bit of what they should be doing with the universe. That whole issue is golden actually. Seeing as it's now phenomenally old and inaccessible (unless it's in the BA book?), I could potentially scan the story - ill ask the mods.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Cream_Filling posted:

Stuff like the Culexis assassins are supposed to be pure evil soulless abominations. Versus the mostly sympathetic, afflicted but human figures Abnett makes them.

I think the Culexus Temple does additional crazy poo poo to it's blanks to make them nothing but soulless killing machines. There's an old bit of fluff when an eldar farseer says "we all have blanks, but only humans are so evil as to create such a soulless being" or something - essentially they're weaponized blanks, making them a hell of a lot nastier than the others we see - Bequin, Frauka and poo poo..... Jurgen! That's the name.

Edit: drat the Culexus are the cooooolest. Just writing about this made me track down the old second ed codex assassins, now I want a Culexus and Eversor models. Also, Nemesis was a good book.

lenoon fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Jan 17, 2013

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Rapey Joe Stalin posted:

For those who don't know, Finecast is to fine detail miniature models what used toilet paper is to book pages.

That is such incredible bollocks.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Rapey Joe Stalin posted:

Not at all. Off the top of my head I've had one Finecast kit that didn't require replacing because of miscasts or just whole chunks of the model not actually being there. And that's aside from the fact that having loving air bubbles all over your premium priced model is meant to be perfectly normal now.

I've not had a single model with a small problem, let alone a major one requiring serious work or exchange. I think it's very much luck of the draw. The resin itself is good quality and produces some great models when compared to their metal casts - look at the techmarine box set for example, that model is absolutely ace in finecast.

On a non-derail-y note, I've just finished Salvation's Reach and found it quite middling. I enjoyed the set pieces and the look at the life of the camp followers but thought it didn't do much to advance the plot. I'm finding it hard to believe he's going to finish the entire story in two-three more books, unless "the victory" arc is actually the penultimate one (perhaps followed by the "we find a world and settle down on it and everyone is good until a tomb fleet kills everyone" arc).

But still, as much as Abnett rocks (and as I tell him every games day) I will never ever forgive him for the end of Sabbat Martyr.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

It's not the abruptness, it's the content - sabbat martyr is when THE BAD THING HAPPENS

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Gooses and Geeses posted:

Necropolis is the best book ever.

If emptyquoting wasn't probate-able, I would post this over and over and over.

It's got the absolutely soul destroying moment when Curth finds [Redacted]

edit: Keeping that out until I work out how spoiler tags work

lenoon fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Jan 27, 2013

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Theoretical/Practical/Theoretical/Practical.

That did it for me.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Impaired Casing posted:


Just started Necropolis, not having read any of the Gaunt books before. I'm barely a chapter in, but really like the set up thus far.

Necropolis is absolutely amazing. I almost feel jealous for you having not read them all. Please do post whenever Abnett does something that makes you cry "NOOOOOOO" to an uncaring sky.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

I'd pronounce it with a very soft t - so it's more of a soft glottal stop.

Oh my god, what am I writing?

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Lead Psychiatry posted:

Warhammer monthly had an issue of a Terminator who went back to his home planet and discovered it was overrun by Genestealers which was Native American themed. But I don't recall the comic giving away the Chapter he was apart of.

Warhammer Monthly also had a whole issue (Warped Visions iirc) dedicated towards reversing the Fantasy/40k stories from earlier issues that was all kinds of hilarious.

It's dark Angels in that story, which is why the death wing had te feathers and such (before every DA had huge feathers everywhere). Part of their coolness back in the day was that they had multiple different recruiting worlds which created variety within the chapter. I remember years ago the ravenwing also had a very cool native American feel to them, which I think has now been replaced with the increased focus on hunting the fallen

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Man that was pretty cool.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

One of the books will make you stop reading for a day or two. But I'm not going to tell you which one

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

You know the one. the carpenter

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

And then he chops a dread in half with a sword.

Eisenhorn's gonna chop up Prof X and be all "this is for your own good ravenor". And then jump into a sidecar of an attack bike and ride it into the heart of the sun with Cherubael and Nayl will be like "SICK NASTY hardman" and then they come to earth for some reason but it's earth in the 1970's because of how time travel works in the warp and they'll meet up with Gene Simmons and all form KISS, which later turns out to be a secret cabal of psychics who pool their essence to form the Emperor. So then they travel forward in time through (stasis? I feel like that would work) and we find out it was actually Nayl having a fag that scattered the primarchs, then cypher comes in and is like "Look who I brought" and it's Gaunt out of nowhere and he stabs Abbadon in the heart but it misses the first heart and then all our favourite Ghosts characters pour out of the vents of a blackstone fortress that Elrad has been chilling in with Slaanesh who in a shocking twist WAS GENE SIMMONS ALL ALONG and so GW have to advance the storyline because of how badass that would be.

I'll take my check now, Abnett. You're welcome.


edit: drat, you're right.

lenoon fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Feb 7, 2013

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Impaired Casing posted:

The ending of of the latter was a real good match of happy and sad, and while I don't want to list which characters I will be missing, and which ones I'm glad bit the dust, it was all such a shock, especially one particular officer who I was real sad to see go. And then I started "Traitor General" and just could not put it down. I can't even name a particular reason why, it was just enjoyable, even if it was a limited cast of characters.


I put the book down for a while after Sabbat Martyr. Traitor General is amazing and a bit of a welcome change of pace after the all out war of the other books. Really grand novel and the end of it sets up some amazing stuff. Great to see certain characters becoming a bit more humanized and the characters that you pick up are great. But God, that Carpenter stuff.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

It's being a certified badass so hard you can catch angron's loving axe in your goddamn hands


edit: As much as I don't like the superhuman moments of bolter porn in BL books, that loving moment is golden. AAAAAARGH ITS SO loving COOL

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Demiurge4 posted:

It's interesting because it's brought up in Gaunt's Ghosts with the new commissar who is also a coward, but completely ineffectual at his job. I can't help but feel it's a little stab at Cain by Dan Abnett.

I think it's more that the commissar corps attatched to the Tanith First and Only is now getting pretty big, and it's the last political-officer archetype left to cover. You've got Gaunt the Hero, Hark the cynic, Ludd the innocent, Blenner the coward and the new woman who came with the new Wilder's Belladon - the pious.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Theparker posted:

So I just picked up Hammer and Bolter v1, what are some of the better stories? I already know anything by Abnett, ADB, and Wright will be good. So any others, I will end up reading all of them, but I'm looking to get a dose of good after some bad.

The brettonian ones are pretty good, though the absolute best of the bunch is the HH Iron Warriors story. It's unremmitingly badass and led me to buying a small mk3 iron warrior breacher squad for my imperial fists. A good enough story to blow about 60 quid on a five man unit.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

berzerkmonkey posted:

Whaaat? Sounds like urban legend to me. I don't remember ever hearing about anything like that.

There was a live action... thing... but it was only ever shown at Games Days. I think I remember it being a test for a TV show or something, but it never really went anywhere. BloodQuest was also a fan project, but it kind of stalled when GW wouldn't finance and/or support it.

Nope, it's true. There were some really lovely 3-D renders of rhinos and land raiders in several old white dwarf issues. Along with the original warhammer MMO, it's one of those things that gets into the magazine before being quietly shelved and pushed out a view a few months later.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Demiurge4 posted:

I want a movie rendition of the siege of Vervunhive. Just guardsmen, the PD and politics with a healthy dose of awesome action and Space Marine silhouettes thrown into the end of the movie as they cleanse the remains of the Zoika horde.

You'd even get romance subplots in there, good range of actors, identifiable enemies ('weird sci fi cults' - wouldn't even need to spend much time saying who they were) easy!

Get on it. Want Abnett and ADB to collaborate on the screenplay please.

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Ciaphas Cain is a great concept that makes me really sad it's not in the hands of someone more imaginative and capable.

As they're based on the flash man novels they're pretty accurate to the source material. The point isn't to do something new an innovative but to spend time in different places around the planet/galaxy getting into scrapes and getting out through luck. Have to say I'd prefer it if they stopped being about tyranids though.

Oh and that's not meant to be disparaging to the flash man series, I've got them all and must have re read them tens of times each.

Edit: for the flash fans out there check out Mr American - not as good at all but great flash cameos as a very very old man (I think a year before his death)

lenoon fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Jun 20, 2013

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Mechafunkzilla posted:

it just means not hitting the exact same plot beats ten books in a row.

The flash books do this as well though - the repetitiveness is part of the point. I agree with you that the Cain books lack some of the charm of flash in that you never get sick of reading exactly the same plot structure over and over as McDonald Fraser was a wonderful author, which cannot be said of Mitchell but they're still pretty good. The Perlia ones in particular are some of the very few BL books that I've kept after reading rather than given to a charity shop

Edit: the inquisition war books! Man read them next

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

UberJumper posted:

He seemed to just kind of materialize in Guns of Tanith.

Something's awry....

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Romantic chivalry=bow to an opponent before jousting

Real, lived chivalry=have your footmen poison the guys drink before hand.

Try reading the the crusader kings thread, and contrast it with la morte d'arthur

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

The brettonian short stories in the Hammer and Bolter volume one collection are pretty loving ace - are they part of that collection?

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

bunnyofdoom posted:

I'd love to see what he'd do to a heckler.

Hey Iron Hand! More like Iron Warrior!

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Wonderful.

So a wulfen, a death company member and kharn walk into a bar, and the bartender says 'hey what is this? The bar is closed'

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Dog_Meat posted:


Makes you wonder how exactly terminator marines operate in cramped space hulks.


They used to be smaller

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Dog_Meat posted:

It's been a while since I read it, but when Horus is shown the glimpse of the dark future he sees the statues of the Emperor, Sanguinius, Dorn, etc and notices how the proportions are ludicrously oversized and heroic.

I thought that was an inside joke about the heroic scale of the models? They do look pretty grotesque.

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lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

As soon as I saw the title I thought it would be dumb as poo poo - death of antagonis? GW has some filing terrible puns but that one takes the piss. Don't know why I bought it, really don't know why I finished it.

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