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a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

MisterFuzzles posted:

Fire Warrior and Xenology According to his wiki page. The Black Library site itself is weird trying to find poo poo by author.

Fire Warrior I thought was actually surprisingly good. It's fairly close to the plot of the videogame, but the main Tau character goes gradually insane as the whole thing is on his first day on the job. I remember enjoying it. And Xenology is excellent but expensive to get hold of now. It's a background book, sort of, but it has a quite spooky story about isolation running through it.

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a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Mechafunkzilla posted:

The Alpha Legion story by Rob Sanders is good, and has the biggest reveal of any of the stories (the Fulgrim "reveal" is really more of a retcon). Rob Sanders is really growing on me, he's not the greatest author in the world but everything he writes is just fun.

The other three range from horrid, to just mediocre and boring.

Can you clarify what the reveal was in the Sander's Alpha Legion story? I read it but totally missed the big reveal at the end. I got that Omegon was just the other Captain the whole time, and that the Primarch's didn't really have much of an idea what was going on but I can't really be sure.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010
I feel really bad for C.S. Goto because I was at a Games Day years ago and both he and Graham McNeill were signing, and he had no line whatsoever. So I grabbed a copy of one of his books out of sympathy. Nice guy he was too. It was like that photo of that famous wrestler at his empty signing booth. Nothing gets me sadder than lonely people.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Cream_Filling posted:

In my opinion, no. It is a book with literally no ending at all. Nothing happens or is resolved. I feel like someone at the printers hosed up and only send me 2/3 of a book.

Not sure how you missed that it was obviously the first part in a series?

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

DocHorror posted:

Where, exactly, does it say that it is the first part of a series?

Nowhere, but the plot threads left dangling, amount of characters introduced, the fact that the expedition continues on , they all add up to make it pretty obvious that there's gonna be more. Maybe they're not specifying in case it doesn't sell well?

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010
I also love that they've ditched dust covers. I shared a moment with ADB on his facebook page over the topic of 'gently caress dust covers forever'.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Death by Cranes posted:

Allow me to say that "Brotherhood of Snake" was total utter gar-bitch! So tedious.

And why the poo poo isn't Nemesis in the OP under fantastic novels? It had everything going for it.

(Great thread by the way.)

Nemesis utterly squandered its premise of 'top assassins of the Imperium on a desperate mission to stop Horus' by having everyone act like massive babies and children when they're meant to be some of the most lethal mortal humans going.

I was always pretty disappointed it wasn't about how the assassin temples dealt with the schism, just set on Terra. Like Mechanicum dealt with Mars. That'd be sweet.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Mikojan posted:

Sorry to go slightly off topic butis there a thread somewhere on SA.discussing the WH40k universe?

Just finished the emperors gift and damnit ADB may heve just taken first place on my list of best BL authors. That man can tell a story holy poo poo.

Background occasionally comes up in the general 40k thread in Traditional Games, but rarely. Generally here would probably be the best place to discuss background.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

berzerkmonkey posted:

I don't know if anyone keeps an eye on upcoming BL releases, but it looks like, as of April 2013, they're raising the price of a standard paperback to $11.99.

Look at the last few titles on the page: http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/coming-soon/?page=2

Amazon is generally about £2-3 cheaper for BL books in the UK, it might be the same US.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Therion posted:

Are there any decent Eldar novels that tell about their society, etc? I only know of the C.S. Goto ones, and even my lovely author tolerance only goes so far.

William King did a decent one called Farseer, that follows a Rogue Trader falling in with some wandering Eldar siblings, and it was meant to be a series but never got any follow-ups. Not sure if you can still get it but it's worth a read.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

MonsterUnderYourBed posted:

Yeah, I am pretty familiar with the fluff. Most of the original trilogy was wanting to see how stuff happens rather than seeing what happens. First Heretic it is then!

Is there a Perturabo based HH book?

Graham McNeil's writing one called Angel Exterminatus, which is about Perturabo and Fulgrim going to the Eye of Terror. I guess Iron Warriors and Emperor's Children are 'his' legions now.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

jadebullet posted:

Well, I have decided to do something that is incredibly lame, and probably very stupid, but I am going to do it anyway. I have decided to try my hand at writing Space Barbie fanfiction. I am mainly doing it to get myself back into the swing of writing normal fiction since I am a bit rusty, and I figure it will be fun.


Anyway, I want your guys opinion on things that I should avoid doing that seems to be done a lot in BL books. Overuse of adverbs and other grammar issues is obvious, of course. Things like, "reading about combat is boring as hell when the author spends six pages describing every single action of a single marine fighting orks." is what I am looking for.

Pretty much what I am asking for is for you to post every annoying thing that you can think of that authors do in BL books so that I can avoid doing that.

Well if you think you're good enough (hahahahah) then Black Library actually have a segment of the year when they take open submissions for short stories and (rarely) novels. Go for it. In a video blog Abnett actually says that BL are trying to move into different types of story, like in Atlas Infernal or 40k's first ever plausible romance in the Night Lords books, so don't be afraid to try something new!

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Infected Mushroom posted:

Yep, it's the first book in the Bequin trilogy.

But don't except book 2 for maybe three or four years. He's doing more Gaunt, more Heresy, maybe others before then.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Pyrolocutus posted:

Lore question: Is Malcharion of the Night Lords in a standard dreadnought shell (as we usually see in 40k), or is he in a Contemptor pattern shell?

Not sure if it's ever mentioned, weren't all Dreadnoughts Contemptor pattern pre-heresy? On the other hand he got put in it after the Heresy so who knows really.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Just started Fire Warrior, and it's a lot of fun so far. I like what Spurrier did with the video game metareality going on.

I've always been disappointed he stopped writing for the Black Library, his work was pretty top notch all round. Xenology's especially cool if you can get hold of it.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Pff. If I can't stare at it lovingly on my bookshelf, what's the point?

Looking at it right now. Heh :smug:

Though at some point I'm selling the hell out of my BL stuff, I've got Sabbat Crusade book, some Fantasy battles book, Xenology, stacks of White Dwarfs, and a Collected Visions copy. Some of those go for...silly amounts on eBay. I'll hit up SA Mart first when I do.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

MisterFuzzles posted:

Hmm. New HH book from Graham Mcneil coming out soon. I guess I'm hoping it'll be ok. Can't say the description has me all too hyped. Dudes are supposed to be Chaos but it sorta reads like...I dunno an average "Good guys have to hurry to save X!"

I like that the book is focusing on the traitor Primarchs. I think there's a cool extract out there from this that has Perturabo seeing the Emperor's Children and what they've become and being all 'wtf man'. I don't think we've had anything since Istvaan that dealt purely with the traitors. This and Betrayer having Lorgar and Angron lead me to hope we're in for some kind of hosed up grimdark buddy-movies.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Perturabo is really funny in The Crimson Fist (the Imperial Fists/Iron Warriors story in Shadows of Treachery). An Iron Warrior comes to deliver bad news, at which point he gets mad and beats them to death with his fists. This happens about six times. It's surprising he even has any space marines left in his legion.

Though that Marine, Berossus, later shows up as a Dreadnought Warsmith in one of McNeil's Ultramarine books! The more you know! One question about The Crimson Fist, after Perturabo fucks up all those Fists, it mentions one of them stirring, still alive as Perturabo leaves...then nothing. What was the significance of that, if I'm missing it, or is it one of those 'you'll find out in John French's next thrilling installment' kind of things.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

ed balls balls man posted:

Cool, looks like the HH books are now coming out in hardback. That combined with Abnett's and ADB's books also in hardback means I'm cutting down on all the pulpy trash I buy.

I tweeted Graham McNiell about that actually, Amazon and The Book Depository have Angel Exterminatus and Betrayer up for pre-order at paperback prices, and I'd swear the blog post announcing the special hardback illustrated edition of Angel said that it'd be coming out in normal paperback soon after, rather than the usual year's gap.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Fried Chicken posted:

Charles Stross actually wrote some short stories for them when he was starting out

Kim Newman, noted talking head and film critic and mate of Mark Kermode wrote a bunch of Fantasy under the name Jack Yeovil. They're pretty good gothic horror type stories!

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Wesley Walker posted:

E: ^^^ There's also a line in Hereticus that references the fact that Eisenhorn basically sacrificed a chunk of Cherubael's power to gain more control.


I posted it at some point in the old thread, but in one of Gaunt books in The Lost (by Abnett obviously), there's a reference to Ravenor and Eisenhorn from Ravenor's writing, and how Eisenhorn has a notoriously gruesome end. It's going to be very interesting to see how things turn out there.

You may be thinking of when Dalin or someone says 'he [Ravenor] died badly, didn't he?', so not Eisenhorn. Even trickier! I like where it's going, but I am more annoyed at BL's smaller word count now.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Wesley Walker posted:

My copy of The Lost seems to be... well, I can't find it. But luckily search bailed me out. Here's what I was referring to:


Like I've said before, this strikes me as a little wink to the upcoming series. It doesn't say when Ravenor wrote that, and since it speaks of his "fate" it's likely it was written after the new Bequin trilogy has taken place.

Also Abnett uses a lot of loving commas

I wrote that in May 2010, poo poo.
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Ah I remember I totally different quote, so I guess they both died badly! A happy ending to this trology then...

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Trast posted:

Has the Black Library said anything about a fourth Gaunt's Ghosts omnibus being published soon? I'd like to move on to the stuff after The Lost but I'd rather not buy a bunch of single books over the omnibus.

Salvation's Reach has only just come out in paperback, so expect a wait. Year? Two?

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

bunnyofdoom posted:

Um, isn't there only 2 books in the lost so far? Blood Pact and Salvation's reach? There has to be at least 1 more, if not 2 before the omnibus.

The Lost is out in omnibus, that has Traitor General, Armour of Contempt, His Last Command and Only in Death, but you are right, the latest arc, The Victory does only have two on it. I'm wrong! So yeah more like four or five years, maybe more til that's in omnibus.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

VanSandman posted:

What's the deal with this word limit I keep hearing about anyway? The Black Library says you can't go over x length?

Well the way I see it is over the years the Black Library's page count has stayed consistent, but it's font size has not. It seems like it's publishing shorter books for more money.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

lenoon posted:

Surely it should be Legion -> Deliberance lost?

Does Know no Fear tie in to Legion in some way I havent picked up thats totally awesome? Or am I just an idiot for not picking up on something obvious?

Ollanus Pious, the farmer guy, is the same type of immortal psyker that John Grammaticus is in Legion, as well as belonging to The Cabal. In fact, he even talks about knowing John Grammaticus.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Schneider Heim posted:

I've read this before, but I forgot the source too :(

Anyway, what's the worst BL cover you've seen, guys? I was looking at the BL website and saw this, which has some of the more hilarious proportions BL cover art could offer.

Most of the Heresy books have terrible CG covers. They'd get my vote. All of them.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Nephilm posted:

IIRC the Eisenhorn series takes place shortly after the Gothic War, so it's early (200-300) M41. Gaunt's Ghost takes place around the Sabbat Worlds Crusade some 500 years later. The Tyranids first showed up around this time, too.

hence why in Ravenor Rogue they encounter Tyranids during a cross-time-dimensional-universe warp trip thingy Ravenor and his crew are all 'wtf mate'.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

ChrisAsmadi posted:

I too just finished Pariah, and I wonder if Eisenhorn has THE Alpharius in his warband or just AN Alpharius.

I highly doubt it's Alpharius. The Primarchs tend to stay away from current 40k fiction because goddamn they're overpowered in a small scale novel about sneaky people. Angron in Emperor's Gift is pretty much the only 'on-screen' Primarch in non-Heresy fluff, and I think it'll stay that way.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

KFJ posted:

So I found Farseer, and I was wondering if you guys could tell me if it's any good or not? Grey Hunter's excellent LP has gotten me kind of interested in Rogue Traders, and the plot sounds insane enough. Otherwise I'll just read Emperor's Gift.

It's pretty nutso and could have made for an excellent series, but it was never continued for some reason, so don't expect total closure in the ending. William King tends to write the better trashier Bl fiction, if that makes sense.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

dongsbot 9000 posted:

Reynolds's Word Bearers trilogy wasn't too bad.

I actually remembered thinking the same thing recently, I had the first two in paperback when they first came back and picked up the omnibus in a charity shop thinking 'oh hey these weren't too bad and I never read the third book, let's re-read..'

They're garbage. Terrible, terrible garbage. Bolter porn with spikes on, none of the nuances of the Night Lords and awful cartoon villains having incredibly uncompelling adventures in whatever. I could barely finish them.

Your best bet for Chaos Marine stories is basically Night Lords trilogy, Lord of the Night and Storm of Iron for contemporary 40k stories.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010
So ADB just revealed that his next tentatively planned Heresy novel will be called The Master of Mankind. Make of that what you will.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Arquinsiel posted:

He seemed to suggest that it's exactly what you'd think it is.

Uh, yeah. I wasn't being dumb, just facetious.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Uh, only if your name is Lucius.

That's the beauty of this world, I doubt Lucius is the only Chaos marine with a resurrection type deal going on. Just because he's the only one that's described as having it doesn't preclude other characters and creatures being able to do a similar thing.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Nephilm posted:

Lorgar - Became like a god himself, retreating to his own meditations to contemplate the greatness of chaos while leaving the running of his legion to themselves.
Magnus - Controls his legion from the planet of sorcerers while gathering knowledge etc.
Perturabo - Got the fortress world that he wanted and loosely guides his legion from there.
Mortarion - Like Perturabo, but with more roaming.
Fulgrim - They hosed his fluff so we don't even know.

The first two have little desire or need to leave the eye, while the rest do it occasionally but the goal to destroy the Imperium is just not there anymore.

I figured they still have that goal, but it's more of a 'eh, when I can be bothered' kind of deal. Like others said, they've transcended humanity so they're doubtless less likely to give a gently caress. On the other hand, they were all jealous of Horus in some respect or another, and envied his power and skill, and if he didn't bring down the Imperium, how can they? I like to see it as an insecurity thing, in a way.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Affi posted:

also what is the deal with Deathrow?

He's a Space Marine. More specifically, by saying 'I'm Alpharius', he's identifying himself as a member of the traitor Alpha Legion. Though their whole deal, if you read Legion, is that they turned to Horus's side under the urging of an alien cabal who forsaw that it would be for the greater good of the galaxy if Horus won the Heresy. Whether that means the Legion stayed loyal in the ten thousand years since, or succumbed to heresy is another matter. Guess we'll find out!.

In summary though, Deathrow is a seriously bad dude and if Eisenhorn is using him then he's gotten into some dark-rear end poo poo. Or darker poo poo.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Affi posted:

I have one last question though. Why didn't Medea and Patience recognize eachother?

They never worked together, you're probably thinking of Kara Swole, who did work with Eisenhorn for a while. Patience was only picked up by Ravenor a long while after Eisenhorn dropped off the map.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Rapey Joe Stalin posted:

Unreadably poo poo.

Yeah I've posted about it before but there's a linked pair of short stories, one about Salamanders Terminators on a Space Hulk, and one about ADB's Night Lords on the same Hulk, and they kind of cross over and link. Putting them next to one anther highlights how laughably poo poo Kyme is next to Bowden.

a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Socal Sapper posted:

Has anybody read the new Eisenhorn vs. Ravenor book? Any good? I'm reading another book, The Stone of Tymora, currently but need something to read when I'm done.

It's called Pariah, and people have been talking about it on this page! Odd, but good is my summary. Written in a more obtuse way than the usual BL fare, not many huge action sequences but some interesting elements. Seems more like a prologue to the trilogy than an actual full book in its own right. Some people got annoyed with it.

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a shitty king
Mar 26, 2010

Demiurge4 posted:

I've been wondering just how deep Dan Abnett is in the Alpha Legion stuff. I've been rereading the Gaunt's Ghosts and on Aexe Cardinal and Herodor Gaunt talks to the old Sister of Battle in the chapel. She mentions the divine powers and this long plan that has been going on so long that they can see neither the beginning or the end. I wonder if the divine powers are the Cabal and the Alpha Legion is secretly running the whole show. Now Abnett has introduced them in Pariah and the rumours are he's going to take that even further. If there's anything at all to my theory, I really want to know what Milo's purpose in all this is.

I doubt the stuff written four years before the Heresy books even began would be that in depth. I'm thinking Milo's purpose will deal more with the Ghosts in their own stories. After all, the Ghost stories take place over a hundred years after the (apocryphal) deaths of Ravenor and Eisenhorn.

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