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Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

hectorgrey posted:

That said, what are people's opinions on the idea of a PC learning to use a weapon that their class doesn't normally get access to - either at first level or in play? At first level I'm inclined to be flexible with, say, the Wizard since they only get one weapon proficiency and a -5 penalty on all other weapons - seems letting them learn to use a light crossbow rather than a sling (or thrown daggers - something that seems to me to be far more difficult than learning to shoot with either a short bow or a light crossbow), but less so with the thief since they get a good selection of weapons and a lower penalty. In play, I'm not sure - maybe it would depend on the weapon, the class and the level?
I'd allow it, though not allow anyone except Fighters to take Weapon Groups (from complete Fighters iirc).

re: your smart fighter, that's the sort of thing that you lose when you don't roll stats. Sure, you can make a smart fighter with an array or point buy, but you're being worse at your core function, Fighting, by doing so. One of the balance options between rolled and array I've heard (in one of the threads here) is you get a 16 and a 14, then roll the remaining 4. Assign to suit.

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hectorgrey
Oct 14, 2011

Angrymog posted:

I'd allow it, though not allow anyone except Fighters to take Weapon Groups (from complete Fighters iirc).

That's fair - I mean, the Fighter is supposed to be the best and most flexible combatant.

quote:

re: your smart fighter, that's the sort of thing that you lose when you don't roll stats. Sure, you can make a smart fighter with an array or point buy, but you're being worse at your core function, Fighting, by doing so. One of the balance options between rolled and array I've heard (in one of the threads here) is you get a 16 and a 14, then roll the remaining 4. Assign to suit.

Not a bad option - in 2e I'd be tempted to go with something like 4d6 drop the lowest, in order, swap two stats of your choice - a little more control than just 3d6 in order and you're more likely to actually get a 15 and a 14, but at the same time you still get other stats in unexpected locations.

Banana Man
Oct 2, 2015

mm time 2 gargle piss and shit
I ran DCC for the first time using the Sailors of the Starless Sea funnel, and it was extremely good. 8 characters lost overall, the biggest kill was 4 at once when entering tower H from a heated battle. Last death was someone trying to slide down the side of the ziggurat in a polished brass bowl and breaking his neck.

Nickoten
Oct 16, 2005

Now there'll be some quiet in this town.

hectorgrey posted:

That's fair - I mean, the Fighter is supposed to be the best and most flexible combatant.


Not a bad option - in 2e I'd be tempted to go with something like 4d6 drop the lowest, in order, swap two stats of your choice - a little more control than just 3d6 in order and you're more likely to actually get a 15 and a 14, but at the same time you still get other stats in unexpected locations.

Maybe check out the rolling method from AD&D 1e's Unearthed Arcana? It has a different number of d6s you roll for each stat depending on class.

You roll 9d6 and keep three for your most important stat. Then you do 8d6 for the next most important, 7d6 after that, etc until you roll 3d6 for the final one. It significantly weights stats to the class you want to play, but it does result in very powerful characters. You can always lower the top end of the chain to start at 6d6 or something if you want. This method is nice if you want to pick the class and then roll for it.

Nickoten fucked around with this message at 05:32 on May 20, 2018

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



I keep dreaming of getting enough people together to run Night Below. If I already have the 2e core books (DMG, MM, 2xPHB) is there a compelling reason to look at retroclones, or would I be best off just just running with regular 2e? The biggest thing I can think of is that I seem to remember fighters being kind of dull RAW.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Stock standard 2e is perfectly fine - the most I'd modify, for any old-school game really, is the attack roll to make it "ascending", but you don't need a whole new system for that.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Nickoten posted:

Maybe check out the rolling method from AD&D 1e's Unearthed Arcana? It has a different number of d6s you roll for each stat depending on class.

You roll 9d6 and keep three for your most important stat. Then you do 8d6 for the next most important, 7d6 after that, etc until you roll 3d6 for the final one. It significantly weights stats to the class you want to play, but it does result in very powerful characters. You can always lower the top end of the chain to start at 6d6 or something if you want. This method is nice if you want to pick the class and then roll for it.
There are all these games that recognize that random-rolling is obsolete in later editions of D&D, but feel obliged to come up with ever more permissive versions of it instead of just getting rid of it. Why not let 17, 16, 15, or whatever, and be done with it?

Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 16:22 on May 22, 2018

Memnaelar
Feb 21, 2013

WHO is the goodest girl?
Hot Springs Island is a beautiful piece of work and it's a bit of a shame that I'm so late to the party and still able to buy the hardcovers. It should absolutely be sold out.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

Memnaelar posted:

Hot Springs Island is a beautiful piece of work and it's a bit of a shame that I'm so late to the party and still able to buy the hardcovers. It should absolutely be sold out.
It seems daunting in what it leaves up the dm but also very cool. I play online primarily also so the one thing won't have the same impact, but I have been thinking about running this. Definitely post a trip report if you run it.

Prism
Dec 22, 2007

yospos
edit: wrong thread, sorry

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord
So hey, we had the first session of our Godbound campaign last night and it's off to a good start!

I did that thing though where I spent a whole bunch of time coming up with an interesting and complex scenario but totally forgot to give my players a starting scene of any kind. :v: I got it all going, at least... A quick vignette with some (laughably weak) bandits in a forest just to see how they reacted to it (a ... um ... cornucopia of eggs and healing all their sick and injured, apparently?) and then arriving right in time for an informal council meeting where they could meet and greet the major players in the town.

Nickoten
Oct 16, 2005

Now there'll be some quiet in this town.

Halloween Jack posted:

There are all these games that recognize that random-rolling is obsolete in later editions of D&D, but feel obliged to come up with ever more permissive versions of it instead of just getting rid of it. Why not let 17, 16, 15, or whatever, and be done with it?

I don't know man, why are you asking me? It's a method I thought would be helpful for someone who explicitly talked about liking randomized stats.

Quantumfate
Feb 17, 2009

Angered & displeased, he went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, insulted & cursed him with rude, harsh words.

When this was said, the Blessed One said to him:


"Motherfucker I will -end- you"


Memnaelar posted:

Hot Springs Island is a beautiful piece of work and it's a bit of a shame that I'm so late to the party and still able to buy the hardcovers. It should absolutely be sold out.

You're in luck!

http://shop.swordfishislands.com/

LaSquida
Nov 1, 2012

Just keep on walkin'.
For folks who are into Godbound, it looks like Lexicon of the Throne will be available in the first half of July.

The index and relevant post are here.

Looks like it includes balance and creation discussion of Strifes as well as Words, which is nice.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

He was saying it is tragic that they haven't sold out yet, not that he couldn't get it.

They still haven't sold out (I did my part!)

A Strange Aeon
Mar 26, 2010

You are now a slimy little toad
The Great Twist
What's the deal with Hot Springs Island? Just a solid product?

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

LeSquide posted:

For folks who are into Godbound, it looks like Lexicon of the Throne will be available in the first half of July.

The index and relevant post are here.

Looks like it includes balance and creation discussion of Strifes as well as Words, which is nice.
I really wanted this a week ago, but still want it now! loving awesome.

Xotl
May 28, 2001

Be seeing you.

A Strange Aeon posted:

What's the deal with Hot Springs Island? Just a solid product?

Essentially, yeah. A system-neutral hexcrawl through a tropical island that once served as an Elven kingdom before they hosed around too much. Now it's full of competing factions looting the hell out of the elven ruins and the island's natural resources. Good art, lots of opportunity for adventure. Definitely an OSR highlight.

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal
I'm sick of hot springs modules, they just chuck them in the middle of campaigns so they can show the fighter without any armor on

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006

A Strange Aeon posted:

What's the deal with Hot Springs Island? Just a solid product?

Its shtick is that it's (by all accounts) is a pretty good hex crawl that comes with a second book that's an in-world guide to the island that the players consult in character.

Xotl
May 28, 2001

Be seeing you.
Would anyone mind if I started a new thread? We're over a hundred pages now, plus the current OP is six years old, with the OP banned and obviously not coming back. I'd like to update the clones list, add some good blogs, and so on. I have an OP, but wanted to check with the thread first.

A Strange Aeon
Mar 26, 2010

You are now a slimy little toad
The Great Twist
Just include a link to it here so I can bookmark the new one. An updated OP with an active poster sounds like a good idea to me.

DalaranJ
Apr 15, 2008

Yosuke will now die for you.

Xotl posted:

Would anyone mind if I started a new thread? We're over a hundred pages now, plus the current OP is six years old, with the OP banned and obviously not coming back. I'd like to update the clones list, add some good blogs, and so on. I have an OP, but wanted to check with the thread first.

If you can give me a little bit, I'd like to compile some link lists of discussions I've started in this thread.

Oh, god, my first question in this thread was 6 years ago.

Xotl
May 28, 2001

Be seeing you.
Of course: no problem.

DalaranJ
Apr 15, 2008

Yosuke will now die for you.
All set for the new thread. BTW my thread name recommendation is: "I'm not saying it's particularly well thought-out, I'm just saying it exists."

gradenko_2000 posted:

Well yeah I'm not saying it's particularly well thought-out, I'm just saying it exists.

I mean, by most accounts even the Exceptional Strength thing is silly because by default 3d6-then-d100 flat rolling only a ridiculously small portion of a population would ever get it naturally, with the rest I imagine only getting it from Gauntlets of Ogre Power.

LashLightning
Feb 20, 2010

You know you didn't have to go post that, right?
But it's fine, I guess...

You just keep being you!

For clones, there's Taxidermic Owl Bear's list, which may not have been updated for a couple years, or there's Ynas Midgard's list which is updating as much as people tell him to update the list and it's considerably larger and includes links as to where to download or purchase the product.

Xotl
May 28, 2001

Be seeing you.
Had the TOB list but not the other. Thanks!

Xotl
May 28, 2001

Be seeing you.
New thread!
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3858338

(Sorry, DalaranJ: your thread title was too long).

Xotl fucked around with this message at 22:20 on May 28, 2018

Radio Talmudist
Sep 29, 2008
I'd been meaning to buy The Dark of Hot Springs Island ever since I saw it on Questing Beast's channel - just pulled the trigger. This will be the first hex crawl I've ever run - any tips or resources y'all would recommend for hexcrawl sessions?

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
This the old thread, you want the new thread linked above.

Firstborn
Oct 14, 2012

i'm the heckin best
yeah
yeah
yeah
frig all the rest
https://gumroad.com/l/motbm-2nd
Maze of the Blue Medusa is back in hardcover. Check out the review by Questing Beast, he goes into just what a high quality book it is - not content, the actual make of the physical object is book porn. I... think I have to.

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006
In case anyone's interested in this sort of poo poo, there's been a review of Maze recently that, uh, sparked a lot of discussion about it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/rpg/comments/8z1c13/misgiving_about_the_medusa_a_critique_of_maze_of/

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
this is the old thread, you want

Halloween Jack posted:

This the old thread, you want the new thread linked above.

Firstborn
Oct 14, 2012

i'm the heckin best
yeah
yeah
yeah
frig all the rest

Megazver posted:

In case anyone's interested in this sort of poo poo, there's been a review of Maze recently that, uh, sparked a lot of discussion about it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/rpg/comments/8z1c13/misgiving_about_the_medusa_a_critique_of_maze_of/

I'm in a weird position where I both genuinely like Zak S (and the other sometimes-maligned-for-being-hipster-OSR Patrick Stuart, Scrap Princess, James Raggi) and like him as an eternal source of schadenfreude. It really is the best.

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006

Firstborn posted:

I'm in a weird position where I both genuinely like Zak S (and the other sometimes-maligned-for-being-hipster-OSR Patrick Stuart, Scrap Princess, James Raggi) and like him as an eternal source of schadenfreude. It really is the best.

Well, he's Kickstarting his new RPG, if you're interested:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1070557469/demon-city-the-ultimate-horror-rpg/

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Xotl
May 28, 2001

Be seeing you.

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