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Peanut Butler posted:when most DVD players were still like $400, I had a $100 one that could play some .avi container files right offa whatever disc I burned em to I still have a $40 Memorex that I bought from Fred's Dollar Store because it could play FLV files.
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stevewm posted:The CD interface on soundcards used the same 40-pin IDE connector, but it was not IDE. The 40-pin connector variety was generally called the Panasonic interface, while Sony also had their own that used the same connector as 3.5" floppy disks. I remember seeing a sound card at work or something with 3 or 4 different connectors like that, so I think there were that many different proprietary versions. I found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-ROM which also mentions LMSI/Philips and Mitsumi. The latter definitely rings a bell as another type of interface that sound cards had. Also SCSI lives on: Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) drives are popular in high-end equipment, there's Fibre Channel which can transport SCSI commands and is used for things like attaching large external arrays of disks and tape drives, and probably other stuff I'm not aware of.
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Sound card CD-ROM interfaces were a dice roll. Most of them were proprietary Phillips or Sony controllers, but later models tended to use standard ATA controllers.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:I still have a $40 Memorex that I bought from Fred's Dollar Store because it could play FLV files. yeah I kept my Mintek DVD player until I had a secondhand laptop that could do HDMI, like, three years ago
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SAS and SATA have gotten somewhat closer than IDE and SCSI were, thankfully: a SAS controller will drive a SATA disk, and the cables overlap enough to make that plausible. What SAS gets you is mostly transport: there are convenient cables that package a bunch of SAS channels, you can route SAS packets (so backplanes and splitters actually work fine), it supports multipath if you want to be redundant in how you connect your box'o'drives, and it can be moved over IP or fibre channel or what have you. In practice this means you can, for example, buy a box with some huge number of drive bays, plug it into your SAS PCIe card with a chunky cable, and have all the disks show up as if they were internal. It's kind of neat, and it actually Just Worked when I did it. This is all very nice if you want to connect large numbers of drives - but I don't think there's much reason to bother for a few drives in a desktop. SATA should also be quite fast enough for a spinning disk, and you can go NVME if you want a fast SSD. Tangent: PCIe is apparently a surprisingly resilient and tolerant packet based protocol. I saw a presentation a while ago where a guy did some man in the middle attack on a PCIe device, and just as a test dumped the packets over serial port to his laptop, messed with them, and sent them back, effectively creating the slowest working PCIe link likely to ever have existed. Does anyone remember who and what that may have been? Google isn't being super helpful. Probably fosdem or defcon, if I had to guess. Computer viking has a new favorite as of 11:20 on May 26, 2020 |
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Plinkey posted:I think I had the same DVD player, was it some no name brand sold at circuit city or best buy? I actually did research so that I got one that would play vcd back in like 2000ish. Yes, the buttons may have felt cheap and plasticky - but it did more than the fancy Sony with a swish faceplate and a x10 price tag. Peanut Butler posted:was super disappointed that PS2 USB didn't work like this out of the box, was again disappointed when my first LCD TV's USB port was for firmware flashing only- I still get disappointed when big brand stuff can't do the stuff that the bargain stuff can. PS3 is the perfect example: to play a ripped movie, the official way is to set up a media server on my PC and access it through the PS3 and hope it works? Why the hell can't I play a movie in one of the three most common formats off a USB drive plugged directly into it?
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Computer viking posted:This is all very nice if you want to connect large numbers of drives - but I don't think there's much reason to bother for a few drives in a desktop. SATA should also be quite fast enough for a spinning disk, and you can go NVME if you want a fast SSD. I've seen workstation-class machines (i.e. expensive desktops) with a single SAS drive in them. Maybe from the SATA 1 era when SATA bandwidth was lower? Maybe whatever the rated speed of SATA 1 was, controllers didn't necessarily actually handle packets fast enough to achieve that speed?  Moo the cow posted:I still get disappointed when big brand stuff can't do the stuff that the bargain stuff can. PS3 is the perfect example: to play a ripped movie, the official way is to set up a media server on my PC and access it through the PS3 and hope it works? Why the hell can't I play a movie in one of the three most common formats off a USB drive plugged directly into it? Just a theory here, but maybe they don't want to deal with customers complaining that it doesn't support whatever new codec came out after the player was released? I can imagine when you buy an expensive Sony product you might be inclined to contact their support and say "hey why won't you release a firmware update that supports DivX", but when you buy a cheap DVD player you just count yourself lucky if it still does what it said on the box a few years after purchase.
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May 26, 2020 12:01
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LifeSunDeath posted:This is really interesting. Had no clue that all those early rom rips weren't just homebrew hackers, but actually industrial piracy products. Reminds me of the greatest/stupidest rom program I'm sure we all used: NESticle was a fantastic emulator, but boy did it have some weird proto-goon poo poo baked in:  edit: here's a good article about it
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Computer viking posted:SAS and SATA have gotten somewhat closer than IDE and SCSI were, thankfully: a SAS controller will drive a SATA disk, and the cables overlap enough to make that plausible. This is exactly how I rebuilt my NAS/Plex server. I had a dedicated rack server and 12 drive array but the power consumption to performance wasn't nice ion my powerbill. So considering I always have the gaming PC on anyway, might aswell make it the host for the drive array with PCI-E card. I can play whatever I want and not even notice performance issues even with 3 users streamnig at same time.
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May 26, 2020 13:07
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My dad loves to point out that they worked hard to make an acronym that would be pronounced 'sexy' but everyone called it scuzzy instead.
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I guess it also depends on what you're trying to do and what you have available. I have a both NVMe and SATA SSDs in my system, but I also have the 4 spinning disks that went in nearly 10 years ago. They haven't failed yet, so I just hooked them up to an old Dell RAID card and put them in RAID 0. It's actually pretty decently fast and nice for games that aren't as demanding. Keeps them from taking up space on the SSD for the games that need it. That being said, I'll probably end up replacing all of them with an single SSD on the next upgrade. I'm really just trying to get the most use out of old parts.
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May 26, 2020 16:45
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Moo the cow posted:I still get disappointed when big brand stuff can't do the stuff that the bargain stuff can. PS3 is the perfect example: to play a ripped movie, the official way is to set up a media server on my PC and access it through the PS3 and hope it works? Why the hell can't I play a movie in one of the three most common formats off a USB drive plugged directly into it? This is intentional and is because Sony is an rear end in a top hat company with a motion pictures division.
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May 26, 2020 17:37
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Someone at another Sony company would rather you buy the blu ray or DVD than watch a video file to make sure they got their money.
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Sony would very much like to read your computer without your consent, ethics be damned.
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Moo the cow posted:
Actually the PS3 can play video files directly off a USB stick. The files just have to be in a folder called "Video". But be prepared to be disappointed. There is yet another copy protection system called Cinavia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia). It is a watermark embedded into the audio and is present on DVDs and BluRays. It can survive ripping/re-encoding in many cases. The PS3/PS4 and many newer BluRay players look for it. If they detect a video with this watermarking it will refuse to play with an error. stevewm has a new favorite as of 19:52 on May 26, 2020 |
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May 26, 2020 19:47
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stevewm posted:Actually the PS3 can play video files directly off a USB stick. The files just have to be in a folder called "Video". cinavia is what caused me to build a synology nas and buy a used alienware PC just for xbmc like 10 years ago which is a whole rabbit hole of obsolete tech now that i fell down, writing my own DVR based mythtv or something and homerunHD recievers, syncing dbs between xbmc instances...etc. now I just pay for youtube tv
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May 26, 2020 23:22
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I tried to play a CD in my PS4 Pro and didn't even think Sony would have dropped support for it. Nope, so the LaserDisc Player continues to be useful (and neat looking)
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I remember getting real mad that later releases of the Wii and PS3 dropped support for older systems. PS3 in particular, because I never owned a PlayStation back in the day... But I bought a bunch of PS1 discs in the late 00s and a PSX to play them on my piece of poo poo tiny bedroom standard def CRT TV. The thought of playing them on a flatscreen, upscaled, got me so excited. By the time I was ready to buy a PS3, the current models no longer supported playing PS1 games. I still have a pile of PS1 JRPGs that I will probably never play, besides Chrono Cross because I played that one on my lovely tiny pre-HD TV and now I want to play it again. I was gifted a late model Wii for Christmas circa... 2010-2012? and got so excited that I could replay those Gamecube discs that had been in the closet forever. The early model Wiis could play GC discs, but not the one I got.  It became a dedicated Netflix peripheral until we got a smart TV many years later...
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I still don't understand why the Ps4 doesn't have Ps1 and 2 games available in the PS Store. I have no working PS3 controllers, so all the games I bought cheap from the earlier 2 consoles that i have on it are inaccessible. It's weird. It's not like putting them on there is going to prevent sales of something else. And It cannot be a hardware issue, but its just software. All I can think of is they don't want to spend the money porting them to the newer system I remember asking for a Playstation for Xmas in 97 or so, and my dad coming home saying "hey theres this thing that lets you play nintendo games on the computer!" and it was Nestical. He didn't realize what the name was.
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twistedmentat posted:I still don't understand why the Ps4 doesn't have Ps1 and 2 games available in the PS Store. I have no working PS3 controllers, so all the games I bought cheap from the earlier 2 consoles that i have on it are inaccessible. Sony has said backwards compatibility will be more of a focus on the PS5 (presumably because Microsoft has been knocking it out of the park with their Xbox BC stuff and they want to compete with that), but so far all we've been told is that it'll play PS4 games. I guess PS Now streaming for PS3 games will still be a thing as well, but... well, it's streaming. Content: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWLVbiLf-SQ LGR looks at the Creative 3DO Blaster, a 3DO console on an ISA expansion card for Windows 3.1 PCs. Almost all of the good games on the 3DO were either ports from PC or would get ported to PC later, so I'm not entirely sure what the audience for this thing was. DMorbid has a new favorite as of 01:48 on May 29, 2020 |
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WITCHCRAFT posted:I remember getting real mad that later releases of the Wii and PS3 dropped support for older systems. PS3 in particular, because I never owned a PlayStation back in the day... Some time after the PS3 hit the market I thought about buying one of the OG 60GB models that still had hardware compatibility for PS2 games. I figured I'd sleep on it and pick one up the next day, only to have the money swallowed up by college course credits I needed to cover. Didn't realize it then, but turns out the PS2 I bought eons earlier would be the last console I'd ever personally own! Still have quite a few PS1 and PS2 games on disc. Fortunately, ePSXe and PCSX2 runs them all with no problem. twistedmentat posted:I remember asking for a Playstation for Xmas in 97 or so, and my dad coming home saying "hey theres this thing that lets you play nintendo games on the computer!" and it was Nestical. He didn't realize what the name was. lol 90s Solo Cup has a new favorite as of 08:37 on May 27, 2020 |
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WITCHCRAFT posted:By the time I was ready to buy a PS3, the current models no longer supported playing PS1 games.
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Doc M posted:I missed this earlier, but I should probably mention that the PS3 still supports PS1 discs regardless of the model. All they ever removed was PS2 backwards compatibility. You could've played Chrono Cross on your HDTV all this time. Or are they just brute force emulating the PSX like ePSX has to on Windows machines?
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The PS2 compatible PS3s literally had PS2 hardware stuck inside them. Sony's software based PS1 emulation was pretty good even by the mid 2000s.
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Wipfmetz posted:Really? Is there a reason why PS2 got dropped? I would have guessed that PS2 is more similar to PS3 than the PS1 was. This was apparently done to cut costs, although I'm not sure how much money Sony really saved by cutting the PS2 emulation as well as the hardware-based BC. The performance of the emulation itself is actually different between these models and the emulated PS2 Classics releases they started selling a few years later, as the Classics seem to have more glitches and other issues. As for the PS2 and PS3 being similar, that's not really the case because the architecture is completely different. e: And yeah, PS1 was always emulated on the PS3. Sony apparently hired some of the people who worked on Bleem! and the Connectix Virtual Game Station to handle their PS1 emulation stuff, and they did a great job. DMorbid has a new favorite as of 09:53 on May 27, 2020 |
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Isn't the Wii basically just an overclocked Gamecube with fancy controls too, which is why the backwards compatibility was so easy?
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My Lovely Horse posted:Isn't the Wii basically just an overclocked Gamecube with fancy controls too, which is why the backwards compatibility was so easy? Yeah, which is why it struggled so much later in it's lifespan, iirc.
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The late-model Wiis dropped Gamecube support because the controller ports, memory card slots, and slot-loding drive capable of handling two sizes of disc were expensive. However, homebrew software called Nintendon't can restore GC compatibility to all models of Wii and Wii U.
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Doc M posted:e: And yeah, PS1 was always emulated on the PS3. Sony apparently hired some of the people who worked on Bleem! and the Connectix Virtual Game Station to handle their PS1 emulation stuff, and they did a great job. It was fine for the time, but I wouldn't characterize it as "great". It slowed down like crazy when things started getting busy (luckily usually in cutscenes with lots of high-poly characters on screen at once) and from my experience a lot of games had performance issues. Frame drops where there weren't any originally seemed more like a rule than an exception playing PS1 games on the PS3.
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I've never had any issues with PS games on my PS3, and they're what I've mostly been using it for after beating MGS and MGS4 on it (the latter being the whole reason I bought it).
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With custom firmware, any PS3 can be backwards compatible with PS2 games to some extent. I've had pretty good success playing my catalog of games on my PS3 Slim. I would still be going on my release model fat PS3 if it hadn't poo poo itself, but I've been pretty happy with the software emulation.
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xergm posted:With custom firmware, any PS3 can be backwards compatible with PS2 games to some extent. All this PS3 talk reminds me I never got my $3 check or whatever from that class action lawsuit.
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Scarodactyl posted:My dad loves to point out that they worked hard to make an acronym that would be pronounced 'sexy' but everyone called it scuzzy instead. I always thought it was funny when SCSI was defined as "System Can't See It" - owing to the difficulty of configuring a device chain.
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My Lovely Horse posted:Isn't the Wii basically just an overclocked Gamecube with fancy controls too, which is why the backwards compatibility was so easy? The backwards compatibility was so easy because the Wii has an entire GameCube in it. When you played a GC game, it switched over to the GameCube hardware and played it natively.
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Cojawfee posted:The backwards compatibility was so easy because the Wii has an entire GameCube in it. When you played a GC game, it switched over to the GameCube hardware and played it natively. Same with the PS2, the original Playstation CPU served as an IO controller in the PS2 and PS1 games ran on that processor instead of the Emotion Engine.
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Vanagoon posted:I always thought it was funny when SCSI was defined as "System Can't See It" - owing to the difficulty of configuring a device chain. ISA bus IRQ conflicts were still worse, though.
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Unperson_47 posted:All this PS3 talk reminds me I never got my $3 check or whatever from that class action lawsuit. I couldn't show proof of purchase and proof I used otherOS. And I have two 60GB Launch editions. (both long dead but the NAND of one is sneaking it's way into my Mega Drive Mini as a replacement larger memory for more ROMs)
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The Wii didn't have separate gamecube hardware, it's CPU and GPU were just die-shrunk and overclocked gamecube parts. When running in gamecube mode, it just lowered the clocks to the gamecube values.
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the wii is the only console i have absolutely no interesting in owning. id pick up a wii u if i saw it in a thrift store or something but a wii? nah itd just get in the way
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I also never got my $0.12 from Starkist for them ripping us of by putting less tuna in the can than the weight listed. I guess class action lawsuits are obsolete and failed technology because I never got my checks in either of these. Charlie Tuna living high on the hog on my loving dime. I got a star you can kist right here you blue-finned piece of poo poo. WHERE's MY drat 12 CENTS , BIG TUNA. Unperson_47 has a new favorite as of 10:05 on May 28, 2020 |
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