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Erulisse
Feb 12, 2019

A bad poster trying to get better.

Lowen SoDium posted:

I had an HTC Tilt II that I really liked for texting.

I also had this, the HTC Touch. No slide out keyboard, but it was a pretty cool little touch screen pda. There is a part of me that misses smaller phone like that.



oh maaaan the memories
that little thing was just great

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Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
They should have called that the cuneiform. It looks like it is about the size of a cuneiform tablet.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Good luck getting an executive to pronounce cuneiform, let alone spell it.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Kwyndig posted:

Good luck getting an executive to pronounce cuneiform, let alone spell it.

Qform is much more brandable, duh

Capt.Whorebags
Jan 10, 2005

PringleCreamEgg posted:

The sidekick was the superior smartphone until probably the iPhone3 imo. The sidekick ruled. So did slide out keyboards on phones.

The blackberry was amazingly popular in corporate Australia. Actual portable email with a useable keyboard was such a novel concept.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Capt.Whorebags posted:

The blackberry was amazingly popular in corporate Australia. Actual portable email with a useable keyboard was such a novel concept.

Pffft I was emailing chicks from payphones

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Humphreys posted:

Pffft I was emailing chicks from payphones



Phreak in the streets

Freak in the sheets

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Capt.Whorebags posted:

The blackberry was amazingly popular in corporate Australia. Actual portable email with a useable keyboard was such a novel concept.
It was *the* corporate phone for a long time because it was the first phone that did corporate email including calendar sync. And it didn't even need a data plan, although it needed carrier support. It was based on Mobitex. But RIM rested on those laurels for way too long without really innovating and then ActiveSync for Exchange came and drove a stake right through the heart of Blackberry's one competitive advantage. In their struggle to catch up their build quality went way down which only accelerated their downfall.

This is a good book on the topic: https://www.amazon.com/Losing-Signal-Extraordinary-Spectacular-BlackBerry/dp/1250060176

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
I held out on getting a cellphone at all for what felt like years after everyone I knew had one, but the first Android phone, the HTC Dream/G1, finally made me buy-in with that sexy sliding keyboard and trackball.



Nowadays though I wouldn't use a physical keyboard even if my phone had one -- swiping is faster.

Imagined has a new favorite as of 15:01 on Apr 13, 2021

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit
I actually skipped the entire start of Smartphones. Because my mother worked Home Health, the office got them phones real early. First car bag phones, and then actual hand helds.
I've had the same cell number for, like, 20 years. Didn't get a Smartphone until ....I want to say iphone 4?


poo poo, I am still using an iphone 6S Plus. Still does everything I need, why change?

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

I pulled my old and somewhat broken Galaxy S2 out of a drawer recently, and it is remarkably thin and light. Kind of small, too.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Johnny Aztec posted:

poo poo, I am still using an iphone 6S Plus. Still does everything I need, why change?
The iPhone SE or whatever looks just like a 6, with the physical button and all!

Explosionface
May 30, 2011

We can dance if we want to,
we can leave Marle behind.
'Cause your fiends don't dance,
and if they don't dance,
they'll get a Robo Fist of mine.


Erulisse posted:

F. Totally same. I even type slower on regular pc keyboard than I was used to type on phone "fullsize" keyboards

I still miss my bad boy


OG Droid was the best. Seemingly built to withstand nuclear blasts, it was amazingly dense due to the metal frame and an easier-to-use keyboard than one would expect for the size of the keys.

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit

FilthyImp posted:

The iPhone SE or whatever looks just like a 6, with the physical button and all!

Okay, but this 6S Plus is still working fine and good. Mindless consumerism is destroying this world.


Except, since I was forced to finally update to the newest OS, I've noticed the battery visibly drains faster. Not enough to make it unusable, but def drains faster due to the update.
Didn't Apple get in trouble a while back for intentionally loving with older phones CPU and battery?

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
They were underclocking the cpu.

I'm not saying go out and buy one now, dude. I'm just noting that there's, remarkably, an old-form factor iteration with modern hardware.

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit
I guess it's something to consider when my current one finally goes, whenever thatd be. It still does everything I need it to do, so replacing the battery one day is def an option.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


LifeSunDeath posted:

Phreak in the streets

Freak in the sheets

If i didn't already love the AV text someone gave me, I would want it changed to that.

Thomamelas
Mar 11, 2009

Humphreys posted:

Pffft I was emailing chicks from payphones



My cousin had a pager in high school. I had a very old laptop that was just modern enough for a modem. In a high school where every classroom had a working phone jack. There was great joy in blowing up her pager in class. Which for some reason the teachers didn't appreciate it.

Pretty good
Apr 16, 2007



Johnny Aztec posted:

Okay, but this 6S Plus is still working fine and good. Mindless consumerism is destroying this world.


Except, since I was forced to finally update to the newest OS, I've noticed the battery visibly drains faster. Not enough to make it unusable, but def drains faster due to the update.
Didn't Apple get in trouble a while back for intentionally loving with older phones CPU and battery?
They ended up adding a feature to iOS that let you know if it was throttling the cpu due to battery degradation (and allowed you to turn that feature off), but I'm still waiting for them to be held accountable for poorly optimised software updates slowly crippling any device that's more than a couple years old. My 5 and 6 both gradually degraded to the point that typing anything in any app would freeze the screen but the keyboard would still pick up inputs so I could type entire paragraphs completely blind before it snapped back to life. Restoring backups and doing factory resets did nothing to fix it, both phones were just hosed.

I've had my 8+ for three years now and it's only very marginally slower than it was when I first got it, so maybe these days they're doing more to prevent that from happening. I'm still salty though and honestly I would've been fine just never moving on from my 5 at all.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

Pretty good posted:

They ended up adding a feature to iOS that let you know if it was throttling the cpu due to battery degradation (and allowed you to turn that feature off), but I'm still waiting for them to be held accountable for poorly optimised software updates slowly crippling any device that's more than a couple years old. My 5 and 6 both gradually degraded to the point that typing anything in any app would freeze the screen but the keyboard would still pick up inputs so I could type entire paragraphs completely blind before it snapped back to life. Restoring backups and doing factory resets did nothing to fix it, both phones were just hosed.

I've had my 8+ for three years now and it's only very marginally slower than it was when I first got it, so maybe these days they're doing more to prevent that from happening. I'm still salty though and honestly I would've been fine just never moving on from my 5 at all.

I think that's also just hardware plateauing at "good enough" some years back. Earlier iPhones were still in the steeply rising part of the curve where they got notably, real-life faster year over year. If Apple also mostly writes iOS to make use of the capabilities of the newest phones, it doesn't take any malicious intent for it to be dog slow on something a few generations back.

Of course, they could have written the versions that got released for older devices to scale down what they did enough to be smoothly usable, so they are at least guilty of not making that effort - and yeah, I imagine the profit from new phone sales made it harder to find the motivation to do that work.

JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS
Yeah, the days of older iPhones being sluggish pieces of poo poo are mostly gone - I end up replacing idevice batteries a lot for people at work and even the 6’s are tolerable if you’re not used to a top-of-the-line device. I remember back in the day, getting a new 5s and it was so much quicker than the 4S I was replacing; it was like night and day.

Really, if everybody had their batteries replaced at two, two-and-half-years, people could go a fair amount of time longer between new iPhones. Old batteries cause myriad issues that are easily cured by 15$ and a few minutes.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?

Erulisse posted:

F. Totally same. I even type slower on regular pc keyboard than I was used to type on phone "fullsize" keyboards

I still miss my bad boy


I had one of these things, it was incredible going from a flip dumbphone to a windows mobile phone with a full keyboard

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Yo, I’m really happy for you, I’ll let you finish, but Nokia has one of the best phones of all time. One of the best phones of all time!

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit

Pretty good posted:

They ended up adding a feature to iOS that let you know if it was throttling the cpu due to battery degradation (and allowed you to turn that feature off), but I'm still waiting for them to be held accountable for poorly optimised software updates slowly crippling any device that's more than a couple years old. My 5 and 6 both gradually degraded to the point that typing anything in any app would freeze the screen but the keyboard would still pick up inputs so I could type entire paragraphs completely blind before it snapped back to life. Restoring backups and doing factory resets did nothing to fix it, both phones were just hosed.

I've had my 8+ for three years now and it's only very marginally slower than it was when I first got it, so maybe these days they're doing more to prevent that from happening. I'm still salty though and honestly I would've been fine just never moving on from my 5 at all.

I have been noticing times in which there is definite lag when typing, but not anywhere near as bad as what you encountered.

Yet, at least.



Computer viking posted:

I think that's also just hardware plateauing at "good enough" some years back. Earlier iPhones were still in the steeply rising part of the curve where they got notably, real-life faster year over year. If Apple also mostly writes iOS to make use of the capabilities of the newest phones, it doesn't take any malicious intent for it to be dog slow on something a few generations back.

Of course, they could have written the versions that got released for older devices to scale down what they did enough to be smoothly usable, so they are at least guilty of not making that effort - and yeah, I imagine the profit from new phone sales made it harder to find the motivation to do that work.

Which is exactly why I NEVER update until I am forced to. Usually because the Apps I use stop working.

App devs def don't care about writing good code. Some apps I use, you can visibly see the battery bar dropping.
That ties into another old gripe of mine. How most PC software is lovely because they just expect people to throw more RAM at the issue.

Mozilla has never bothered fixing their memory leak, so I have to go couple times a week, and kill a process because it's ballooned up and maxing out my RAM.

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.
This video is definitely some of the very best in obsolete and failed technology (optical media camcorders):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF91MsWs534

Aix
Jul 6, 2006
$10
hardware dvd recorders sucked goddamnit. even when you ignore the dvd+r and dvd-r bullshit, you still had every manufacturer come up with his own way of doing multisession discs so you had to close that $5 disc before any device other than the one who recorded it was able to read the drat thing

Mescal
Jul 23, 2005

Johnny Aztec posted:


That ties into another old gripe of mine. How most PC software is lovely because they just expect people to throw more RAM at the issue.


Jesus, yeah. My partner calls me old when I complain about this. Most stuff should work just fine on less resources. But they write duct-tape-and-molasses code because RAM and storage is cheap. And you've got a machine that should be ten times overpowered for ordinary daily stuff, but it cries uncle trying to like, load a loving PDF.

I am not a lone lunatic! It is the developers who are wrong!

Erulisse
Feb 12, 2019

A bad poster trying to get better.

Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

Yo, I’m really happy for you, I’ll let you finish, but Nokia has one of the best phones of all time. One of the best phones of all time!



Had that too. Sadly lost it in bus :(
Nokia seriously had great ideas for all kinds of phones back then.

packetmantis
Feb 26, 2013

Pretty good posted:

My 5 and 6 both gradually degraded to the point that typing anything in any app would freeze the screen but the keyboard would still pick up inputs so I could type entire paragraphs completely blind before it snapped back to life.

You look at your posts before hitting send? Ban this sick filth.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


packetmantis posted:

You look at your posts before hitting send? Ban this sick filth.

I was wishing to all the gods you had a typo in that post.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

Aix posted:

hardware dvd recorders sucked goddamnit. even when you ignore the dvd+r and dvd-r bullshit, you still had every manufacturer come up with his own way of doing multisession discs so you had to close that $5 disc before any device other than the one who recorded it was able to read the drat thing

I've been using these for years and had no problem. Hell, I even have an old Panasonic DVD-RAM recorder (at least on it, you don't need to finalize a session).

Erulisse
Feb 12, 2019

A bad poster trying to get better.

Humphreys posted:

I was wishing to all the gods you had a typo in that post.

It is clear as glass he was cheating and ran his post through google and word proofreader before hitting "post".

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Mister Kingdom posted:

I've been using these for years and had no problem. Hell, I even have an old Panasonic DVD-RAM recorder (at least on it, you don't need to finalize a session).

I had some cool LG HDDVD/BD Combo drive. Used for years then I decided to be a fuckwit as usual and modify it by upgrading it's firmware... bricked.

scopes
Jun 5, 2004

Mr.Radar posted:

This video is definitely some of the very best in obsolete and failed technology (optical media camcorders):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF91MsWs534

CRD has quickly become my new favorite old tech youtuber.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


scopes posted:

CRD has quickly become my new favorite old tech youtuber.

CRD is absolutely amazing.

stevewm
May 10, 2005

Aix posted:

hardware dvd recorders sucked goddamnit. even when you ignore the dvd+r and dvd-r bullshit, you still had every manufacturer come up with his own way of doing multisession discs so you had to close that $5 disc before any device other than the one who recorded it was able to read the drat thing

DVD-Video was never designed with recording in mind. However recorders DID have a standard, there where 2 of them, and they all used it. Known as DVD+VR and DVD-VR. Recorders would be able to understand a non-finalized disc from another recorder, because it was standardized. However very few if any DVD Players recognized either format.

Finalizing a DVD+VR/-VR disc turns it into a standard DVD-Video disc.

Recording to DVD-RAM was a little different, fairly certain those didn't require finalization to be used on a regular player (Assuming the player could read DVD-RAM).

I might have to dig out my old recorder and mess with it...

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit

Mescal posted:

Jesus, yeah. My partner calls me old when I complain about this. Most stuff should work just fine on less resources. But they write duct-tape-and-molasses code because RAM and storage is cheap. And you've got a machine that should be ten times overpowered for ordinary daily stuff, but it cries uncle trying to like, load a loving PDF.

I am not a lone lunatic! It is the developers who are wrong!

There are dozens of us! DOZENS!

Vavrek
Mar 2, 2013

I like your style hombre, but this is no laughing matter. Assault on a police officer. Theft of police property. Illegal possession of a firearm. FIVE counts of attempted murder. That comes to... 29 dollars and 40 cents. Cash, cheque, or credit card?

Johnny Aztec posted:

There are dozens of us! DOZENS!

Christ, I remember thinking stuff just like that fifteen years ago. I had the impression then that the habit had formed during the 90s, when CPU and RAM development was so fast that software developers would pick a performance target based on where they expected hardware to be by the time they shipped. And if that target was noticeably slow? Don't worry, CPU/RAM improvements over the first six months after ship will eliminate that.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

packetmantis posted:

You look at your posts before hitting send? Ban this sick filth.

Typed but not read

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Wipfmetz
Oct 12, 2007

Sitzen ein oder mehrere Wipfe in einer Lore, so kann man sie ueber den Rand der Lore hinausschauen sehen.

Vavrek posted:

Christ, I remember thinking stuff just like that fifteen years ago. I had the impression then that the habit had formed during the 90s, when CPU and RAM development was so fast that software developers would pick a performance target based on where they expected hardware to be by the time they shipped. And if that target was noticeably slow? Don't worry, CPU/RAM improvements over the first six months after ship will eliminate that.
Dunno. I remember the 90s and early oughts as a time where both Windows and applications where crashfests.
Developer time costs money and money is a limited resource.

I'm fine with the current state where I need more CPU and RAM than i should need, but where I can usually expect my OS and my applications not to crash just because I've clicked a button right at an edge pixel or whatever.

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