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Wanamingo
Feb 22, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Zaphod42 posted:

Oh my god you're making me remember all these horrible things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k85mRPqvMbE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J-SuAV2T6o

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drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

SubG posted:

If you think the Radio Shack kits were cool, try looking up Denshi blocks and the Gakken EX kits. Basically electronic legos.

I've seen similar albeit more explicitly kiddy versions of this concept here in the states as well, Electronic Lab kits definitely still exist, they just tend to be packaged in a less dangerous and more child friendly package

also while we're on the topic of scientific experimentation meant for children that would be considered child endangerment by modern standards, have a gander at The Golden Book of Chemistry

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
On a similar subject my beloved and woefully out of date How and Why books. This is what childhood information looked like prior to the Internet. It's hard to express the impact these had on me, before I started reading National Geographic around 1977. I love the imagery. It exists in a weird transitional period between the imagination of the 1950s and the realities of the 1960s.





Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Mister Kingdom posted:

For you older bastards out there, Schoolhouse Rock was an integral part of your Saturday morning viewing pleasure. Math, history, and grammar were the more popular subjects.

Then there was this unfortunate foray into computers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKf1I759PPQ

Thankfully, I'm old enough that MY Schoolhouse Rock memories are not tainted with this abortion.

Instead, I'll just bask in the warm recollections of I'm Just A Bill and Conjunction Junction.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

Dick Trauma posted:

On a similar subject my beloved and woefully out of date How and Why books. This is what childhood information looked like prior to the Internet. It's hard to express the impact these had on me, before I started reading National Geographic around 1977. I love the imagery. It exists in a weird transitional period between the imagination of the 1950s and the realities of the 1960s.







speaking of old science books, now I'm thinking of the old various Time-Life book series, especially the LIFE Nature Library, and LIFE Science Library series of books(as well as other less scientific book series like The Enchanted World and Mysteries of The Unknown)

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

CyberShadow?

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli

Kwyndig posted:

Man that just reminds me that they made a shitload of similar programs in Japan.
They were called screenmates. The name of the game was to stuff as many shortcuts into someone's startup folder and watch their system chug as sheep rained all over.

I had one of these, 75 in one or something like that. Slowly went through all of the circuits. I even rigged my christmas stocking with a weight sensitive "burglar alarm" from that in order to try and catch santa :3:

Uncleanly Cleric
Oct 17, 2005


Dick Trauma posted:

Stuff about 70s and 80s electronics kits.

Hey, you're in luck!

http://www.amazon.com/Elenco-Electr...nic+project+lab

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

flosofl posted:

Thankfully, I'm old enough that MY Schoolhouse Rock memories are not tainted with this abortion.

Instead, I'll just bask in the warm recollections of I'm Just A Bill and Conjunction Junction.

Three is a magic number, baby!

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

This book is probably to blame for the name I use online. I'm not kidding. And maybe a month before that, I met a friend of my grandfather's that flew on the Challenger.

EDIT: I still have a copy of this book that my parents got me at a Sam's Club in 1994 or 1995: http://www.amazon.com/The-Space-Atlas-Heather-Couper/dp/0152005986

Star Man has a new favorite as of 02:43 on Jun 4, 2015

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry

pookel posted:

I never did have Bonzi Buddy. However ...



Oh god, sheep.exe

I had forgotten about this. But it reminded me of the similar program that made a tiny woman dance on top of your task bar. Don't remember the name of that one.

rockinricky
Mar 27, 2003

Lowen SoDium posted:

Oh god, sheep.exe

I had forgotten about this. But it reminded me of the similar program that made a tiny woman dance on top of your task bar. Don't remember the name of that one.

I remember one that had a woman that sat on the desktop. She showed CPU load by undressing, the higher the load, the more naked she got.

A FUCKIN CANARY!!
Nov 9, 2005


Imagined posted:

Here's a picture I took of one of the ones at the Oklahoma City Zoo just before they removed them all. :(



Oh, wow. My family visited the Oklahoma City Zoo on a vacation we took when I was 4-5 years old, and getting the orange plastic giraffe from that particular machine in the photo is my only clear memory of the trip.

Inco
Apr 3, 2009

I have been working out! My modem is broken and my phone eats half the posts I try to make, including all the posts I've tried to make here. I'll try this one more time.

Mister Kingdom posted:

Three is a magic number, baby!

To this day, I use the cadence from that song if I need to recall my x3s

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


Zaphod42 posted:

Does this count for obsolete technology? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BonziBuddy :haw:

I remember seeing lots of computers with that stupid purple fucker on them. I hate him almost enough to demand a trigger warning. :argh:

Content:
Hate the size and length of your graphics card? Be glad it's not VESA Local Bus. This was a clumsy stopgap measure introduced in the early '90s because ISA was complete dogshit and widespread use of PCI was years away. The bus was so long and it took so much force to get the card in there that you could break the card, the motherboard, or both trying to get the thing in the slot. It also only really worked right with 486 processors so the Pentium made it almost instantly obsolete. I once used a computer with a 486DX2/66 and a VLB card and 8 megs of RAM. It was a juggernaut back in '94.

E: The slot was 13 inches long. The slot. The card could be considerably bigger than that.

E2: The bus also was only designed for 33 or 66 MHz processors. Using a 50 MHz 486 or one of the crazy fast AMD or Cyrix 486 clones could cause a VLB card to malfunction.

Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 05:18 on Jun 4, 2015

Grumbletron 4000
Nov 30, 2002

Where you want it, bitch.
College Slice

Dick Trauma posted:

On a similar subject my beloved and woefully out of date How and Why books. This is what childhood information looked like prior to the Internet. It's hard to express the impact these had on me, before I started reading National Geographic around 1977. I love the imagery. It exists in a weird transitional period between the imagination of the 1950s and the realities of the 1960s.

I vaguely remember loving those in grade school. In the 80's. I went to a backwoods and horribly underfunded school district. There were still TRS-80s in use well into the 90's there. Typing was taught on those old IBM typewriters with the golf ball looking type head. The only modern computer in the whole school was one teachers personal machine that he would push from room to room on a big cart. My entire schooling was pretty much one big lesson in obsolescence.

I also had to walk 20 miles to school and back in the snow, up hill both ways. I had to wear a bucket for a hat and hollowed out cats for shoes and gloves.

Grumbletron 4000 has a new favorite as of 05:20 on Jun 4, 2015

DONT TOUCH THE PC
Jul 15, 2001

You should try it, it's a real buzz.

Geoj posted:

Napster was music only, IIRC it only shared MP3s. After the RIAA shut it down there were a bunch of P2P sharing protocols that popped up - eMule, Limewire, Kazaa, BearShare (to name a few) that worked with any file.

Zaphod42 posted:

God, Napster. Wow. That was several internets ago. It'd be really weird having to explain that poo poo to kids.

Napster started in 1998 (iirc?), Bittorrent came about round 2001 those 3 years were a goddamn gold-rush for P2P protocols, explain that poo poo to kids.

Caedus
Sep 11, 2007

It's good to have a sense of scale.



Dick Trauma posted:

I'm pleasantly surprised that bringing up the Mold-A-Rama elicited such a widespread response. Maybe this one will do the same.

When I was a kid Radio Shack was the place to go for technology. They had an array of these electronic lab kits and I remember spending an awful lot of time working with mine. I believe this was my exact model, and goddamn if it wasn't an exciting introduction to space-age electronics. At least in 1975!







My sister recently bought an updated version of that for her class. I got to check it out before she took it to school. I'll have to ask how it went over.
Comparing it to that, it's pretty much the same but.. safer. Snap on connection, everything wrapped in thick plastic, foam blades for the motor. I guess it's all the same to the kids, really, if they're picking up on it anyway.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Star Man posted:

EDIT: I still have a copy of this book that my parents got me at a Sam's Club in 1994 or 1995: http://www.amazon.com/The-Space-Atlas-Heather-Couper/dp/0152005986



I had that book too, and it was loving great. Read it so much the binding fell apart.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

Lowen SoDium posted:

Oh god, sheep.exe

I had forgotten about this. But it reminded me of the similar program that made a tiny woman dance on top of your task bar. Don't remember the name of that one.

I think that one was called Virtual Girl or something. I remember seeing adverts plastered for it absolutely everywhere. They'd crop up in places that porn should really not have been advertised. I never downloaded it or bought it or anything because I figured it was just some malware-filled piece of bullshit on the level of Bonzi Buddy.

That was the other thing about that era of computing. Holy poo poo was malware just everywhere. I kept needing to uninstall stupid custom cursor crap that my mother or sister installed. I'd have to explain that no nobody wants to just give you a free flower cursor with a sparkle trail that has some bad piece of software attached to it don't buy anything on the internet until I get rid of it (but how could they do that? Isn't that illegal? I don't think anybody would do that and I only installed the cursor thing so I didn't install anything else with it seriously just put it back on). Granted most people didn't really know any better at the time and a lot of people probably figured that a little stripper on the computer was probably just a little stripper on the computer.

DONT TOUCH THE PC
Jul 15, 2001

You should try it, it's a real buzz.
There was a small window between the popularization of the web and the commercialization of it when it could've been just a woman dancing on your monitor.

axolotl farmer
May 17, 2007

Now I'm going to sing the Perry Mason theme

and up to Windows Me you always ran as root. the few that used Linux were really smug about that.

beato
Nov 26, 2004

CHILLL OUT, DICK WAD.

Kwyndig posted:

Man that just reminds me that they made a shitload of similar programs in Japan, although most of them would just sit on top of your active window and respond to clicks. Or maybe it was one program and people put out modules for it, I'm not sure. The only thing I remember about it was that it was Japanese as hell, mostly anime characters and you had to install some extra .dlls from the Asian distro of Windows to get it to work.

neko95.exe

Zopotantor
Feb 24, 2013

...und ist er drin dann lassen wir ihn niemals wieder raus...

SubG posted:

If you think the Radio Shack kits were cool, try looking up Denshi blocks and the Gakken EX kits. Basically electronic legos.

The Lectron system is probably the oldest "electronics brick" system. Just over 50 years old and still being produced.

This was the first electronics kit I got:


Kosmos still makes kits, but they seem to have given up on their old system (which had spring clips sitting in the slots of boards like the one in the picture, with most components directly plugged into them).

Here's some kind of radio built using such a kit:


I think those old kits are still lying around somewhere at my parent's house, untouched for 3 decades...

Vanagoon
Jan 20, 2008


Best Dead Gay Forums
on the whole Internet!

axolotl farmer posted:

and up to Windows Me you always ran as root. the few that used Linux were really smug about that.

People still want to run as root and do ignorant poo poo like turn UAC completely off.

UAC is a good thing, people. Being able to run as a regular user and elevate in windows is progress.

It's not perfect, not by any means, but it's certainly better than the old system where any malicious software that made it's way onto your computer could be like "gently caress your entire filesystem"

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

Woolie Wool posted:

Hate the size and length of your graphics card? Be glad it's not VESA Local Bus. This was a clumsy stopgap measure introduced in the early '90s because ISA was complete dogshit and widespread use of PCI was years away. The bus was so long and it took so much force to get the card in there that you could break the card, the motherboard, or both trying to get the thing in the slot. It also only really worked right with 486 processors so the Pentium made it almost instantly obsolete. I once used a computer with a 486DX2/66 and a VLB card and 8 megs of RAM. It was a juggernaut back in '94.

E: The slot was 13 inches long. The slot. The card could be considerably bigger than that.

E2: The bus also was only designed for 33 or 66 MHz processors. Using a 50 MHz 486 or one of the crazy fast AMD or Cyrix 486 clones could cause a VLB card to malfunction.
VESA cards are dwarfed by boards for older big iron like Sun VMEbus cards or something like a RealityEngine board for an old SGI Onyx or Crimson. Those things were around two foot square and weighed more than any modern laptop. That said, all those older systems using a real backplane and card cage are (usually) a delight to work with compared to most PC cases. Not in the same class, but the SGI Indigo still has one of my favourite deskside designs---you can swap out everything in the case in about thirty seconds with no tools.

SLOSifl
Aug 10, 2002


Vanagoon posted:

People still want to run as root and do ignorant poo poo like turn UAC completely off.
Turning UAC off silently fails any elevation request. People who turn UAC off are actually not running with elevated privileges, they just don't see UAC requests failing.

Why can't I install probablyavirus.msi? I turned off that stupid UAC thing. :( :( :(

RabbitWizard
Oct 21, 2008

Muldoon

Dick Trauma posted:

I can't imagine this sort of thing would stand a chance in the modern world but there was something to be said for the combination of the physical and electronic for learning how things work. I can still remember looking at the one relay my board came with, being able to see it respond as I changed the way things were wired. Ah well.
Wouldn't call that obsolete (Well, "this" kit maybe, but not the idea itself). Around 10 years ago i used stuff like this constantly to quickly make/test circuits. You have a nice visual representation of the circuit and can extend it really fast, because everything is just "plug and play".

Here's a "grown-up version" i used for projects with a PLC integrated:

GOTTA STAY FAI
Mar 24, 2005

~no glitter in the gutter~
~no twilight galaxy~
College Slice

ToxicSlurpee posted:

but how could they do that? Isn't that illegal? I don't think anybody would do that and I only installed the cursor thing so I didn't install anything else with it seriously just put it back on

:argh:

poo poo like this is why I quit being the family "computer guy." I just spent half a day scrubbing your drive clean of just about every virus and piece of malware imaginable because you just download poo poo all willy-nilly (Oh a fun purple man that talks to you! Great!), and now you're saying "put it back how it was, I don't like it like this?"

Eh sorry I had you do this miraculous medical procedure doc but just put the metastatic lung cancer back ok

Fooley
Apr 25, 2006

Blue moon of Kentucky keep on shinin'...
I got grounded one time because autoplay got disabled, so I was obviously doing something to make it so my sister couldn't play her game.

Speaking of that time period, here's something for the thread. Standalone computer stores. Like Gateway stores complete with cow spots painted on the building.

SneezeOfTheDecade
Feb 6, 2011

gettin' covid all
over your posts

Vanagoon posted:

People still want to run as root and do ignorant poo poo like turn UAC completely off.

UAC is a good thing, people. Being able to run as a regular user and elevate in windows is progress.

It's not perfect, not by any means, but it's certainly better than the old system where any malicious software that made it's way onto your computer could be like "gently caress your entire filesystem"

I just wish I could figure out how to get my computer to actually whitelist certain applications. Yes, I want this application to be able to make changes. I have always wanted it to be able to make changes. I will always want it to be able to make changes. I wrote the application, I know what it does.

"Allow this application to make changes to your computer?" :sigh:

RabbitWizard
Oct 21, 2008

Muldoon

Besesoth posted:

I just wish I could figure out how to get my computer to actually whitelist certain applications. Yes, I want this application to be able to make changes. I have always wanted it to be able to make changes. I will always want it to be able to make changes. I wrote the application, I know what it does.

"Allow this application to make changes to your computer?" :sigh:

http://www.technorms.com/253/create-shortcuts-for-trusted-programs-to-bypass-windows-7-uac-check

?

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.

Caedus posted:

My sister recently bought an updated version of that for her class. I got to check it out before she took it to school. I'll have to ask how it went over.
Comparing it to that, it's pretty much the same but.. safer. Snap on connection, everything wrapped in thick plastic, foam blades for the motor. I guess it's all the same to the kids, really, if they're picking up on it anyway.

Last Christmas, I bought something like that for my nephew.



Like you said, everything snaps into place, thick plastic everywhere ,etc...

Might not be the exact same product, but close enough.

He loves it, too. Despite being all "digital this" and "iPad that" he still loves physical toys and building poo poo. My sister hates me for always getting him things like that, Lego, etc... because it results in small pieces getting lost and stepped on.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Besesoth posted:

I just wish I could figure out how to get my computer to actually whitelist certain applications. Yes, I want this application to be able to make changes. I have always wanted it to be able to make changes. I will always want it to be able to make changes. I wrote the application, I know what it does.

"Allow this application to make changes to your computer?" :sigh:
Swear to god, if this is simply because your program writes to protected folders for no good reason (like temp files or settings to the folder it's in under program files), I'll slap you.

DONT TOUCH THE PC
Jul 15, 2001

You should try it, it's a real buzz.
Yes I was about to say the same thing.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Flipperwaldt posted:

Swear to god, if this is simply because your program writes to protected folders for no good reason (like temp files or settings to the folder it's in under program files), I'll slap you.

My entire desktop is apparently inside a 'protected folder', so UAC flagged for loving everything.

Move a .txt file? That's a UAC threat.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.
I get the UAC alert for CC Cleaner every time I boot my work laptop.

I imagine because it has to have its "hooks" deep into the system to do what it does. Still annoying, especially since there's some bug in (I think) the hard drive that prevents it from going to sleep (I get blue screened,) so I have to turn it all the way off to bring it home.

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp
Speaking of blue screen, I think the ubiquity of this counts as obsolete:



I had to explain the term "blue screen of death" to some younger friends recently. Not kids, people in their early 20s. "But why was it called that?" "Well, see, the error message screen is blue ..."

Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter
I still love the fact that Microsoft modernized it in Windows 8 to the frowny face of doom.

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Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Star Man posted:

This book is probably to blame for the name I use online. I'm not kidding. And maybe a month before that, I met a friend of my grandfather's that flew on the Challenger.

EDIT: I still have a copy of this book that my parents got me at a Sam's Club in 1994 or 1995: http://www.amazon.com/The-Space-Atlas-Heather-Couper/dp/0152005986



For me it was


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