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flosofl posted:Has anyone heard anything more about the new Mr. Show episodes for Netflix? Like when it's going to happen? The only thing I can find just says "maybe this year". Do you mean the W/ Bob and David show? It's out already.
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Pingiivi posted:Do you mean the W/ Bob and David show? It's out already. Well, that would explain why I couldn't find it. They must not have been able to secure the rights to the original name.
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flosofl posted:Well, that would explain why I couldn't find it. They must not have been able to secure the rights to the original name. Here's a thought. Just spitballing here, but maybe, you know, it's a different show?
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Minstrel Show with Bob and David
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ElwoodCuse posted:I remember an article from some PC magazine right before DVD came out that promised all this pie in the sky bullshit for the format. Like, the entire Star Wars trilogy on one disc. The multiple angle stuff. Different versions of the film (like, TV edits for parental control). I don't think it was all "pie in the sky bullshit," most of that could be done, it's just easier, faster and cheaper to plop the film on a disc with a few cut scenes, trailers, and maybe a commentary track and call it a day. I doubt that the average person even looks at the special features (and boy were some of the early ones really dumb)
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I liked when they listed subtitles and chapter selection as special features on the box
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Last Chance posted:I liked when they listed subtitles and chapter selection as special features on the box Remember those 'standard' DVD menu icons? Fake edit: I cannot see any of them on a quick search. If no one smarter than me posts them I'll have to fire up Falling Down (someone make a Hotline Miami mod of that movie please) or similar to screen cap.
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Iron Crowned posted:I don't think it was all "pie in the sky bullshit," most of that could be done, it's just easier, faster and cheaper to plop the film on a disc with a few cut scenes, trailers, and maybe a commentary track and call it a day. I think the winner of get-it-out-now-to-cash-in was the first Blade Runner release.  Nothing was animated at all and the only features was that bio page. Having worked on DVDs back in the day it took a fair bit of time, even on something really basic. Cheap and out the door meant you got production stills and maybe a poster or logo then you cut them up into a menu backdrop and give it appropriate styling. Then spend your time sifting through the video finding decent scene chapter stills. Another timesink was cleaning up low res assets, such as having to trace logos to get a crisper look than the one scanned in off the VHS cover they gave you. For bigger productions your time was spent in Photoshop and After Effects fine tuning all of the little videos you saw between menus, which would increase in complexity should custom CG animations come into play and so forth. For DVDs with big bio pages you had to cram several paragraphs into little boxes all in 22point font to be legible on screen. Really complex was something like The White Rabbit feature on The Matrix where it basically was a button over a subtitle image which cross linked into a little playlist. Other films did callouts as well but these were pretty time intensive to plot and put together and I think didn't play nice with every player - PC players would struggle with the Easter Eggs where you had to put in numbers for instance. Bonus videos meant sacrificing space for the main movie's video quality as the best bitrate was something like 6 to 8 megabytes per second which would overload most of the early players's buffers. And trying to test DVDs before image-creation software came along, you had bins full of dud discs and having to have a player that read them in the first place. Back then nearly everyone used Scenarist which was steep in it's learning curve and pretty horrendous to look at.  Later software like DVD Studio or Encore made things easier as you did half your menus in Photoshop with special folder names which the program then parsed and having timelines made for easier positioning of elements and supers. Encore had a pretty spectacular bug early on where if you were in daylight saving it would refuse to open an existing project with some obtuse error -1134 code.
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From a consumer perspective, the simpler the DVD menu the better. The best ones had no menu at all and just started playing the movie when you put the disc in.
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I remember loading up a copy of the Wall on DVD. The menus were literally four options arranged in a cross, and to access it you would only press the direction on your remote; no enter button or anything. 
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WebDog posted:I think the winner of get-it-out-now-to-cash-in was the first Blade Runner release. Because The Matrix was the coolest thing when I was 12, I remember following the white rabbit the whole DVD. That DVD was the coolest thing I had seen ever and was surely disappointed more sci-fi and action movies didn't have it.
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Collateral Damage posted:From a consumer perspective, the simpler the DVD menu the better. The best ones had no menu at all and just started playing the movie when you put the disc in.
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The menu for The Fifth Element is a looping video of falling down through future New York City, and the menu options are various signs etc. that pass by. You have to press the button at the right time to pick an option Then again, the DVD doesn't have any chapters, either. So it's probably deliberately obtuse because Luc Besson.
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Do they still hide easter eggs in menus? Like click on the red book in the audio menu and you get a blooper reel and stuff? While neat, it was really annoying to search around for.
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twistedmentat posted:No man, you're supposed to hear the cracks and pops and the sound needs to be muffled and wear out after 3 plays. That's how you know the musics real! I did, too, but I think you could only get two-hour tapes when they first came out. If you're recording off the TV, you have to be there to stop the VCR every time a commercial comes on, which kind of defeats the point of "set it and forget it" recording.
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And beta failed because they refused to allow porn releases.
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Actually pron being the cause seems to be something of an urban myth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddYZITaxlTQ it was the rental industry that forced one to win and VHS had just enough of an edge to swing the scales in their balance
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Keiya posted:And beta failed because they refused to allow porn releases. I never understood this myth. I've ever seen one Beta player in person and it was my neighbor friend's dad's when I was a kid. The only tapes he had for it was porn from the '80s. This was in the early to mid '90s and neither of us knew how to use the machine since we had grown up on VHS.
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One could argue that the book itself is obsolete, but I was flipping through the 1960 edition of my city's phone book (was $3 at an antiques store, and good for modern archaeology stuff), and there's this in the Yellow Pages (which are not noticeably different color from the front section of the book): Why even bother? It's fuckin' 1960, there's only the one telco and you've heard of them, as a person in 1960 holding their book in your hands. You'd think they'd put that up front with the "how to operate a telephone" instructions. I guess they had to keep the operators free for long-distance and emergency calls (911 not having been invented yet). The one in the middle, though. You'd expect it to be the same as the other two. And you'd be half right:  There's also the number for the regional office so you can register your trademark with Ma Bell. And they hosed up their own ad! You can see how the lines around the ads are supposed to look -- a bit sloppy around the corners, because they were hand-drawn, but still it's most of a right angle -- and for the ad for the national system, they somehow did that thing at the bottom left of the second picture. Chillbro Baggins has a new favorite as of 05:17 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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Delivery McGee posted:And they hosed up their own ad! You can see how the lines around the ads are supposed to look -- a bit sloppy around the corners, because they were hand-drawn, but still it's most of a right angle -- and for the ad for the national system, they somehow did that thing at the bottom left of the second picture. Are you sure its not a printing error?
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Platystemon posted:Are you sure its not a printing error? The rest of the page is fine, so yes. It's a paste-up error, which is itself appropriate material for the thread. Back in the dark ages when cameras used film (circa 2003 at the college newspaper I shot for), before PageMaker and InDesign, you'd do your layouts with scissors, glue, and a lightbox (well, by my time technology had progressed to Scotch tape), then send the completed page to the print shop where they'd photograph it on film the size of the eventual broadsheet and use that to make the printing plates (photolithography). As far as I can tell, the bulk of the ad was supplied as clipart by Ma Bell, and the city directories were to drop in the name and number of their regional office (also readymade clipart) at the bottom, and the guy pasting it up was either drunk or lazy and missed the alignment. Edit: I kinda want to make a thread just of scans of that 1960 phone book, if only because the art in the ads is wonderful. What would be the appropriate subforum for such a thing? Chillbro Baggins has a new favorite as of 05:57 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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KozmoNaut posted:The menu for The Fifth Element is a looping video of falling down through future New York City, and the menu options are various signs etc. that pass by. You have to press the button at the right time to pick an option When I first put that DVD in, I just sat and waited for something while that menu passed by. I waited for quite a while.
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Delivery McGee posted:The rest of the page is fine, so yes. My dad used to do this for the local paper when until they switched to computer layouts around the year 2000. I got to see the process on one of the take your kids to work days. It was pretty neat. The articles would be printed on some sort of photo paper in a dark room. It would then get fed through a processor for developing. After they were cut out They were run through a wax bath which acted as a glue. The copy was then placed on a template layout board. When the page was assembled it was sent over to the plate making department where it was imaged and a plate was made. One thing I found fascinating at the time was how they made the little line borders. It was simply a little roll of clear tape with a black line down the middle. The paper opened a new state of the art production facility in early 2004. It streamlined all aspects of production and distribution and introduced a large degree of automation in the process. The pages were all designed on PageMaker or whatever software. The Tiff files were sent to the plate making machines. This was a completely automated process. The plates were stored in a magazine chamber and moved onto the imaging surface by a robotic arm. The page images were burned onto the plates by laser and then fed through a processing tank. After developing the plates went down a conveyor through a machine that bent and crimped the plates to fit on the press. They continued down the conveyor into the press room. My dad being the crotchety person he is hated change and refused to learn the newer computer systems when they started introducing them in the mid to late 90s. As a result he was demoted to maintenance and the mailroom rather than taking a buyout. He was eventually let go when the paper production shutdown in 2012.
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There definitely were (and still are) a lot of lovely DVD menus but as for good ones I gotta put in my vote for the second Gorillaz DVD Slow Boat to Hades. I probably spent more time poking around the menus on that one than actually watching the content.
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slomomofo posted:There definitely were (and still are) a lot of lovely DVD menus but as for good ones I gotta put in my vote for the second Gorillaz DVD Slow Boat to Hades. I probably spent more time poking around the menus on that one than actually watching the content. The KORN Deuce DVD had some pretty elaborate minigames and hidden extras if I remember correctly, took ages to poke around finding them all http://korn.simpol.net/korn/deuce.php
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I remember The Matrix DVD being responsible for a lot of people buying a DVD player back in the day, the extras were amazing at the time of VHS White Rabbit icon!
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Armacham posted:Lol you bought a Korn DVD Twice!
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The IT Crowd DVDs have a staggering amount of minigames and hidden features in the menus.
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I remember my Terminator 2 DVD had a secret button code that allowed you to play a longer version of the movie.
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GreenNight posted:I remember my Terminator 2 DVD had a secret button code that allowed you to play a longer version of the movie. Mine just came with two discs. One had the normal cut, the other had the extended cut. Gee, thanks. It kinda reminds me of the limited edition release I have of Motörhead's final album. In the box, apart from the poster and patches and other goodies, is an LP (obsolete), a CD (obsolete) and a download code (didn't work). Three copies of the same album, just what I've always wanted! KozmoNaut has a new favorite as of 16:57 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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GreenNight posted:I remember my Terminator 2 DVD had a secret button code that allowed you to play a longer version of the movie. IIRC it was using your remote to enter the date for judgment day. Later versions, like the Blu-Ray, just make it a full on option you select. The super-secret special edition is just the normal directors cut with all of maybe two more scenes added back in. The T-1000 investigating John's room at his house after murdering the parents via feeling over the walls to determine their properties and, maybe the shot of killing the dog, seeing the collar, and realizing it's been had? Zebulon has a new favorite as of 21:18 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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Delivery McGee posted:the guy pasting it up was either drunk or lazy and missed the alignment. Considering the monopoly they had Bell could have released a single page with a hand flipping the bird and it would have been as useful as those ads. Also as accurate.
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GreenNight posted:I remember my Terminator 2 DVD had a secret button code that allowed you to play a longer version of the movie. If it was the same as my one then it had 3 versions on the disc, Theatrical, Directors cut then a 3rd cut that was accessed by the date of judgement day this cut had some alternate ending on it if I remember correctly.
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I know Clue had the option to show a random ending rather than showing all three.
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Gaz2k21 posted:If it was the same as my one then it had 3 versions on the disc, Theatrical, Directors cut then a 3rd cut that was accessed by the date of judgement day this cut had some alternate ending on it if I remember correctly. Right. The goofy "Future Coda" ending that got cut. Because it just neatly ties everything up and insists they fully averted Judgment Day and all got to live nice long happy lives. That's the second scene the super-duper secret cut adds. The first is the T-1000 in John's room feeling over everything.
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Illegal Clown posted:The paper opened a new state of the art production facility in early 2004. quote:He was eventually let go when the paper production shutdown in 2012. How many newspapers invested in all these new automatic processes for printing because the miracle of computers made everything so easy, and then shut down because the miracle of Internet made print media die? My Lovely Horse posted:The IT Crowd DVDs have a staggering amount of minigames and hidden features in the menus. You mean like on one of the series how if you set the subtitle language to 1337 (or something) then concatenate every subtitle together and base 64 decode it (or something) you get a photo (of something)? https://narfation.org/2008/03/14/the-it-crowd-season-2-dvd-easter-eggs has some info about some of this craziness that involves needing a BBC Micro emulator (or the real thing of course). Or are there hidden features that don't require you to use a PC and perform scripting and OCR?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvwNKpDUkiE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVxeuwlvf8w
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KozmoNaut posted:Mine just came with two discs. One had the normal cut, the other had the extended cut. Gee, thanks. Well, at least you can quickly rip a CD and put it in a binder forever afterwards and have 44/16 wave files  It's not like the streaming stuff is higher quality. Also the fact that not all CDs are available in streaming/download format pisses me the hell off. "Nah, we'll rather not make any money at all than the pittance we would receive with offering it for sale digitally.". The distribution laws we use in TYOOL 2016 are still based on a dude waiting for a boat with a pallet of vinyl to arrive so he can be the only one who sells it. What the gently caress.
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Unless you're on something with exceptionaly tight performance requirements (I'm talking literally the sort of computer built into toasters) wav is obsolete, alac or flac gets you identical quality with much smaller files. Handy for the copy you transcode from for whatever new device pops up.
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