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For all of you that miss whipping the llama's rear end, someone forked Winamp to an OpenSource project: https://getwacup.com/
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Rexxed posted:I haven't stopped using winamp for 20+ years, I don't see why I'd stop now. I haven't used winamp in 20 years because foobar exists.
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Mar 27, 2024 16:39
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W424 posted:I haven't used winamp in 20 years because foobar exists. foobar is like the carburated car, mechanical watch, cooking with cast iron, shaving with a straight razor mp3 player
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Mar 27, 2024 17:41
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Did anyone ever release a zune media player clone? Or make a Winamp skin? Maybe it's my nostalgia bit I liked it a lot.
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Mar 27, 2024 17:53
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https://twitter.com/americanrails/status/1772812947636527271?s=20
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We had a cat we found on the train tracks when I was a baby, she was named Chessie because of these trains.
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evobatman posted:foobar is like the carburated car, mechanical watch, cooking with cast iron, shaving with a straight razor fixed Foobar really is the successor to winamp, in terms of customization and expandability compared to other audio players (And in terms of a former nullsoft employee creating it). It's a great piece of software, one I've used for decades at this point. The problem is it lost a lot of the fun and ease winamp offered. Skins are dead simple to make for winamp, but to make foobar look good you're going to have to get your hands dirty with coding. Foobar is also going through its Winamp 3.0 phase right now with Foobar 2.0 x64, in that many of the classic plugins developed for the older version of foobar haven't been maintained in years and are incompatible with the new version. The community is still very active though, and many of the holes left in the transition are being slowly filled. Most people don't need 90% of the features offered in foobar though, and in the last few years even I've been drifting towards other players. Plexamp on desktop and mobile is great for spotifying your music collection. Musikcube is a fun command line player that pairs well with a quake style console shell. Last year I sold my pride and joy 70s amplifier and bought a modern NAD Class D amp that uses BluOS as a means of interfacing with it on a mobile device and cuing music up. Foobar has been back benched to take care of tag editing and playing mod files and occasionally to spit out music over my s/pdif cable plugged into my minidisc recorder.
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Mar 27, 2024 18:23
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foobar has album shuffle
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Mar 27, 2024 18:33
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Winamp 3 was so bad that they skipped releasing version 4 and called out version 5 (which was version 3+version 2!!!). I think i still have several backups of the latest version of 2 that wasn't tainted by the online library whatever. I miss shoutcast streams
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Foobar had a thing where shuffle order was determined once when it was turned on. This caused Tom Petty's Refugee to play like 20 times one night. Someone asked for the song before Refugee a couple times. Then Refugee would come on, someone would complain and ask for the previous song again, which would lead into Refugee again. Eventually I blipped shuffle off and on before the computer got thrown out the window.
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Mar 27, 2024 21:16
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I ported my decades-old library earlier this year to MusicBee and after I fixed the 8000 files that couldn't be found I am very happy. I just wanted to keep all my old play counts and other metadata.
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Mar 27, 2024 21:31
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I've found any kind of autotag feature to be a disaster, and that's not even taking into account some of the obscure stuff that I have. It's a good thing that I got into manually tagging everything back in the early days. It's funny to see the lowres artwork on some of the old files.
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Mar 27, 2024 21:49
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Sentient Data posted:Winamp 3 was so bad that they skipped releasing version 4 and called out version 5 (which was version 3+version 2!!!). I think i still have several backups of the latest version of 2 that wasn't tainted by the online library whatever. The real reason they skipped 4 was because nobody wants to show off their Winamp 4 skins.
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Guy Axlerod posted:Foobar had a thing where shuffle order was determined once when it was turned on. This caused Tom Petty's Refugee to play like 20 times one night. Someone asked for the song before Refugee a couple times. Then Refugee would come on, someone would complain and ask for the previous song again, which would lead into Refugee again. Eventually I blipped shuffle off and on before the computer got thrown out the window. I believe Windows Media Player had deterministic shuffle, so my usual "shuffle all these songs" was always the same order, since it started from the same song. Sentient Data posted:I miss shoutcast streams That was how I watched a bit of MST3K, and also stumbled on a Eurobeat station, as well as No Life Radio, which would just play video game music
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Isepic posted:For all of you that miss whipping the llama's rear end, someone forked Winamp to an OpenSource project: Oh cool so it sucks now?
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Arrath posted:Did anyone ever release a zune media player clone? Or make a Winamp skin? Maybe it's my nostalgia bit I liked it a lot. I thought I was the only one haha. I used it for way longer than the physical Zune existed. I stick to Musicbee these days and am happy with it.
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Serperoth posted:I believe Windows Media Player had deterministic shuffle, so my usual "shuffle all these songs" was always the same order, since it started from the same song. Shoutcast is where I discovered MST3K also. And News Radio. Both have remained favorites to this day.
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with linux it's easy to get visualizers to your favourite streaming services, by the magic of pulseaudio/pipewire
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_R47LDdlZM Can't seem to timestamp on mobile, but at the 3 minute mark is a dramatization of the brain imaging method used before the 70s introduced the CT scan. Pneumoencephalography involved injecting air through a lumbar puncture then rotating the patient to bubble the air through the body to improve xray quality. This apparently hurt like hell
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Guy Axlerod posted:Foobar had a thing where shuffle order was determined once when it was turned on. This caused Tom Petty's Refugee to play like 20 times one night. Someone asked for the song before Refugee a couple times. Then Refugee would come on, someone would complain and ask for the previous song again, which would lead into Refugee again. Eventually I blipped shuffle off and on before the computer got thrown out the window. This reminds me, I used to do a show on a small community radio station that would have the computer play random music whenever there wasn't a show on. That thing loving loved it some 'Hip To Be Square'. Multiple times an hour.
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Man i used to volunteer at my universitys radio station and the director really really wanted me to host a show, because apparently I did really well on the voice test they make everyone do regardless of their role (I was doing IT???) and they needed someone to take over the metal show because the hosts were graduating and noone else knew anything about metal but that show was at like 2am. The city busses didnt even run at that hour also I still had grades to worry about That was a great volunteer job though. In addition to the IT stuff, their software flagged a bunch of cds for potential purging and I got to go through the CD Basement, listen to them, and decide whether or not the station should get rid of them or put forgotten tracks back into the rotation Killingyouguy! has a new favorite as of 13:09 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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Mar 28, 2024 13:06
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monolithburger posted:This reminds me, I used to do a show on a small community radio station that would have the computer play random music whenever there wasn't a show on. I've never understood why shuffling is such a difficult problem to solve for music players. Even Spotify is terrible at it.
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Mar 28, 2024 13:55
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The developers of the shuffle feature on the original iPod had a hell of a time developing an algorithm that not only could produce meaningful randomness, but FELT random by actively avoiding emergent patterns that resulted from true randomness but felt un-random to human expectations.
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yeah, it's genuinely not an easy problem to solve. true randomness will have streaks; a playlist on shuffle with actual randomness might manage to play an entire album start to finish even if it'll freak out the listener and make them think something's wrong you have to do some sort of dynamic weighting so that streakiness doesn't happen but then also some counterweighting so that the playlist still flows -- but then you ALSO have to do what I think is causing people's issues with smart shuffles and add enough noise so that the weighting doesn't cause the playlist to follow the same path too often whenever you start a new listening session
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Mar 28, 2024 14:13
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The other way is to just pick the next track at random, but then you will inevitably get strings of repeats. Going for some sort of "Random but exclude the last x tracks" kind of works, but you'll still get random patterns that people notice. Basically, people don't want "random", they want "evenly distributed".
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Killingyouguy! posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_R47LDdlZM Evidently there were a bunch of different methods to do a PEG… the one most familiar to me is from “the exorcist” https://youtu.be/HBNdGOQ9Exk
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I liked how the iPod (or was it iTunes? Same poo poo either way) would shuffle its songs in a random order, but would have to play through every track before it could repeat any of them.
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Fergie's gonna be so mad
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Killingyouguy! posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_R47LDdlZM Holy poo poo you just solved a mystery I didn't even know I was wondering about. This happens in the book "The Doctor is Sick" by Anthony Burgess.
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https://twitter.com/ObsoleteSony/status/1773304034553934155?s=20
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I still think Spotify just straight up does not shuffle. There's no other explanation why, when I pick any song in a genre, it will then play the exact same songs in that genre in the exact same order every time. If I play, say, the third song in the usual playlist of similar songs, it will still play that song third when the original song ends. I've picked a song, it goes to the similar songs playlist, then I pick a different song in that genre and then plays the exact same songs it just played.
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Cojawfee posted:I still think Spotify just straight up does not shuffle. There's no other explanation why, when I pick any song in a genre, it will then play the exact same songs in that genre in the exact same order every time. If I play, say, the third song in the usual playlist of similar songs, it will still play that song third when the original song ends. I've picked a song, it goes to the similar songs playlist, then I pick a different song in that genre and then plays the exact same songs it just played. Spotify absolutely has a weird shuffling algorithm that is more complex than "play them in a random order." I only have one playlist, I pretty much just listen to my playlist of about 2000 songs. There are 2000 songs, and yet I will hear at least three or four of the same songs every single day, despite it being highly improbably if it were truly shuffled.
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I miss dedicated music player, I have no place for it anymore but I miss it. I got 2 underwater bone conduction players your clip onto the swimming goggles. There is no shuffle function at all. I have to click through all of the talkie podcast before I get to the music. Feels like I am using a discman again.
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I've never been able to enjoy shuffle on music players because my general eclectic tastes over the years causes most shuffle algorithms to produce awful playlists. Something like going from a female fronted modern pop single to a late 90s death metal track to the middle of a grateful dead concert to a dubstep bemani song into an hour long experimental electroacoustic track followed by dragonforce. If I could I would pay a human DJ to go through my collection and create custom playlists.
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HKR posted:I've never been able to enjoy shuffle on music players because my general eclectic tastes over the years causes most shuffle algorithms to produce awful playlists. Something like going from a female fronted modern pop single to a late 90s death metal track to the middle of a grateful dead concert to a dubstep bemani song into an hour long experimental electroacoustic track followed by dragonforce. I can't shuffle anymore since I have too many concept albums where the tracks need to flow into each other. It's really jarring to have them next to anything else other than the appropriate lead-ins/outs
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HKR posted:I've never been able to enjoy shuffle on music players because my general eclectic tastes over the years causes most shuffle algorithms to produce awful playlists. Something like going from a female fronted modern pop single to a late 90s death metal track to the middle of a grateful dead concert to a dubstep bemani song into an hour long experimental electroacoustic track followed by dragonforce. I used to have this elaborate system of interconnecting playlists in iTunes that would feed into a master playlist. I could weight different things like stuff I haven't heard in a long time, stuff I love and want to hear over and over, stuff I've heard too much. It was pretty cool, but what I really wanted was to be able to shuffle albums, not single tracks. At first I had this ambition to recreate this in foobar (and I believe foobar is capable of doing exactly that, if not better), but I've just been so happy with album shuffle. Closest thing I do is, if I hear an album I want to hear more often, I just manually add it to a manual playlist. When I want to hear those sorts of things, I just play that playlist. When it gets stale, I start a new one. When I don't feel like starting a new one, I play an old one. The doctorfrog of seven years ago is my human DJ.
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Seeing that I am compelled to post this...  Mine is sitting on my coffee table.
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I also prefer my remotes to be short and thick.
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Reject shuffle. Embrace full albums, straight through, no skips. Suffer for your enjoyment of art.
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