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ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Exit Strategy posted:

What the gently caress got filtered into that?

"I m gay" but without the space. It's a GBS meme.

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ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

ryonguy posted:

And again, this is your experience. The current generation will experience nothing but touch screens, and later ones will think you weird for insisting on buttons.

It's okay, I can't wrap my head around analog sticks for console games myself.

No, it isn't just his experience. I'm twenty one and my first phone with a touchscreen and on screen keyboard was six years ago and I despise the drat things.

In fact, the closest I've ever seen to someone preferring on screen buttons from either my generation or younger is for typing on a phone, because flagship phones have been keyless for many years at this point so that's what they're used to. Everyone I've seen on my college campus who has a tablet inevitably has a lovely bluetooth keyboard of some kind because typing on a touchscreen is rear end.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Manuel Calavera posted:

So since no one's actually posted how they work, just speculation. Here is a look inside one. I never quite figured out if the modifiers are powder or liquid, but I'd assume liquid.

quote:

Old cartridges are just thrown away. The guy working it said the syrup is so highly concentrated that if you get any on your clothes, you are just going to have to throw them away.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Collateral Damage posted:

Or you know, 99% of the corporate world.

Or anyone who can't spring for premium laptops and buys the $199 walmart special

which is basically everyone except inexplicably college students

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Lizard Combatant posted:

I really don't know how they're going to spin this one as anything but a blatant cash grab, the idea that the 3.5mm connection is obsolete is underpants on the head crazy.

It's a combination cash grab and 'silicon valley tech bro circlejerk hating old formats even though they work perfectly loving fine'. Progress for the sake of progress' sake.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Phanatic posted:

I don't know that I ever did either. I mean, sure, it hammered a bunch but poo poo loaded and saved properly and that's all I cared about. But then I also had one of those IBM Deskstar 75GXP drives that were so famously faulty that they helped drive IBM out of the hard drive business, and *that* never failed on me either even though it did occasionally make noises like a dump truck full of loose change tumbling down a hill.

Unrelated. Apparently Nintendo actually was planning on producing this, and showed it off at CES in 1987:


When they named the NES in the domestic market "Famicom" they literally meant Family Computer. There was a decent amount of non-game software you could get for the Famicom, including several cartridges that were just knitting instructions for sweaters or socks or something.

Here's a ebay auction for "business economics software" for the Famicom.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Family-Comp...=p2047675.l2557

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Elliotw2 posted:

Maybe, but ASCII continues to demand that it's Machines with Software eXchangeability before MS stuck their noses in.

MS literally stuck their nose in at the very beginning though. They proposed the drat idea :confused:

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Krispy Kareem posted:

I'm reasonably certain Best Buy makes all its money off phones and service plans. In that sense they are a more successful version of Radio Shack, but without all the batteries.

And Microcenter is a loving shrine to all that is good in electronics retailing. It's still packed every time I go there so the world is a just place.

Iirc a big part of the reason Best Buy stays around is because they rent out their floor space to other retailers. That's why you find stuff like household appliances and all that jazz in Best Buy, because it's a third party retailer selling through BB.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Sunswipe posted:

How do you know to answer a phone that doesn't have a ringer?

Ask Kraftwerk.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Trebek posted:

Man so reasonable on the prices. I never knew Sears made their own home video console. Makes sense though.

It was a Sears branded Intellivision, not an original console. Most of their Sears-branded products where just products they slapped their label on.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

And speaking of Techmoan,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM7kj7pgTeU

He's out breaking the law :getin:

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

evobatman posted:

HTC Desire Z, from the days when HTC was the hottest company in the world when it came to smartphones. The build quality on this thing, especially the hinge mechanism, was incredible.



Known Lecher posted:

T-Mobile in the US released their own branded version of that called the T-Mobile G2 and I had one. It's like 5-6 years since I stopped using it and I still haven't owned a smartphone that's as good.



I used that thing solid from the end of 2010 right up until about last year maybe, when T-Mobile literally discontinued 4G in favor of 4G-LTE and the phone became a brick.

That phone was so good and my clumsy rear end dropped it on concrete at least a few times and it never looked worse for wear. It was even the perfect size too. Miss that keyboard and no-look typing.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

ladron posted:

I would be surprised if the next iphone iteration had any holes at all, just charged through induction

It's still going to have a Lightning connector. Apple's not going to lose out on all the money they get from licensing fees after all :v:

Protip actually that's why they got rid of the 3.5mm jack in the first place. Making the phone thinner was way far down the list, all they cared about was that now if folks want to make a peripheral for the iPhone (e.g. Square) they have to pony up the licensing fee to Apple because it's Lightning or nothing. Probably some techbro idiocy about supporting an ~obsolete hundred year old standard~ too.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Tech Relics was originally GBS iirc. That's why there's two threads, one was in GBS and the mods decided to move it when GBS was removed for a while and then just never moved it back.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

TotalLossBrain posted:

They seem to be making some kind of retro collector comeback from what I've seen on a recent visit to the old country. Maybe it's just East boomers with a case of ostalgie?

In fairness, they are somewhat interesting cars. The Trabant especially, being made from a composite material literally reinforced with recycled cotton. And it's been just about 30 years since the fall of the Berlin Wall. That's more than enough time for people to have been born removed from the context that made them truly awful cars i.e. them being the only options available to someone, so they're just objectively bad cars with subjectively interesting character.

Also they take well to speed parts and tuning because they're really crude two strokes and incredibly light so they're popular for low buck racing too.

Shai-Hulud posted:

Every car made more than 25 years ago gets collected by someone. Even the really lovely ones. Cant wait for the Renault Twingo and VW Golf 3 market to explode!

The first gen Renault Twingo is actually a meme on the 4chan automotive board and there are at least a few people who have bought them because of it. Mostly because it's cute looking.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Krispy Wafer posted:

I feel so very old.

It’ll be interesting to see how well an obsolete format sells just because it’s ironic. Vinyl has some features that make it preferable to digital or CD’s, but there’s nothing better about cassette tape.

I guess you can more easily record off that other obsolete technology -radio.

What features does vinyl have over digital or CD? The only one I can think of is physically larger packaging giving you more space for interesting album art and stuff like picture discs.

I wouldn't really call cassettes ironic. They're just novelties to have, and playing them's a bit of fun because of how little it has in common with listening to music now. For one, you actually have to listen to a whole album rather than an endlessly streamed series of singles from Spotify :v:

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Lurking Haro posted:

I wonder how much RoHS has increased electronic trash due to brittle, dry or cold joints and tin whiskers.

Bare minimum, there was a class action lawsuit against Apple in 2014 specifically stating that the use of lead-free solders lead to tin whisker formation and caused really fucky poo poo with video display and necessitated repairs. But I haven't been able to find any kind of resolution to that.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

There's also AkBKukU and RetroManCave. AkBKukU bounces around a lot but he does a decent amount of retro hardware, with lots of circuit-level repairs which is great sleep entertainment. RetroManCave is really slickly edited and also does some repair work, but he's almost too slick and the videos can get kind of boring as a result at times.

Wasabi the J posted:

8-Bit guy is another 1980-2000 computer enthusiast.

Teachmoan is another good tech reviewer, with reviews on modern and older mostly esoteric A/V equipment and formats.

Technology Connections is a great YouTuber who will teach you how analog TV works and convince you that your city is using the wrong light bulbs in it's street lighting and signals.

Strong recommendations for Techmoan, it's real good stuff. The 8-Bit Guy is also good, but he leans really hard into 'stereotypical nerd' including not having the best presentation skills. His unboxing vids in particular can get rather uncomfortable since he seems to be more annoyed than anything at doing them. The thing that really turned me off of those was when he skimmed through a letter that came with a package and didn't comment at all that it said all the things belonged to a now deceased person and the family was donating it all to him because it'd be the best home for it. Just flashed it on the screen and started going through the box.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Pilsner posted:

That's normal and good practice for a youtube video, just pause if you want to read the letter. Some people would be annoyed at having a video just looking at a letter for a long time.

It's not about reading the letter on screen, it's that he didn't seem to read it at all and just opened it with the same sort of annoyance he treats regular donations.

I'd actually forgotten the exact situation, but it turns out it was even worse than I remembered. Viewer from Afghanistan sent in a big box of stuff from a friend's deceased parents adding he'd be really appreciative of a shout out of said dead parents' names but he just powered through the box. Didn't even mention the story that was in the letter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjxyreDZ4es

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Johnny Aztec posted:

I have format that he hasn't done (that I didnt see after a search) that is also non-existent.

I forgot the manufacturer's name, but it's just "Video Disc". I have a player, more or less, brand new in the box.

It has very little info on it, because no media was EVER produced for it. Oh, there was some in-house stuff done, but it ended up so dead-in-the-water stillborn garbage that no one even looked at it.


Don't think it ever actually even got to the market, and they just dumped all their inventory of the machines.

Why would you mention this and not post a picture in the thread specifically about obsolete and failed technology

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Platystemon posted:

The Radiant Control toaster is an engineering masterpiece.

That said, I think the drawbacks of the ordinary toaster are overstated.

Pushing the lever down is no hassle.

My toast never gets flung clear of the toaster.

I don’t have problems with consistency unless the darkness knob is adjusted, but that’s a problem the RCT shares. The potentiometer in a normal toaster is probably more consistent when returned to the same position than bimetallic‐strip‐tensioning system used in the RCT, too.

Technology Connections kind of does this a fair bit. He's well researched but he very much loves his hyperbole.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Mister Kingdom posted:

Another failed video format that is shockingly NOT presented by Techmoan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkP4ZJnMVOs

Instead it's just by a kind of douch-y guy who made a video calling out Techmoan for 'copying him' :v:

Techmoan even brought it up in the Pocket Rockers video iirc in the most British fashion

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Mister Kingdom posted:

When did he do that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb6DOjZkvQc&t=333s

He absolutely has taken the video down at this point and I can't find any archived directly to it in a brief search, but several of the comments reference it.

Chris James posted:

Yeah, surprised you gave Databits a shoutout after he accused you of stealing from him.

AudioCultSG Official posted:

lmao DataBits accusing TechMoan of stealing his video is like saying that if you did a review of that item, you own the "rights" of reviewing that item and no one can make a video related to it anymore...

And that line about 'He seems to have covered a lot of the same things I have before I got around to doing them' was a very passive aggressively British way of calling him out, since that was the exact complaint about stealing databits had. He'd upload videos on stuff and then a little while after Techmoan would pop up with a video on the same thing.

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ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Krispy Wafer posted:

You’re probably right. People were calling porn the big kingmaker in the format wars, but that was before streaming became a thing. Netflix started streaming around the same time the PS3 came out so people weren’t even considering online content’s implications.

In the end Blu-Ray turned out to be anticlimactic. It was good for console games at least.

Porn really wasn't a 'big kingmaker' in any of the format wars, that's just a popular misconception and also one that doesn't even really make sense in context?

Early home video recorders ala VHS/Beta didn't even really have prerecorded media in mind when they were made. They were explicitly meant to be bought so you could record your programs onto them. And in that regard, VHS won handily because it had a significantly longer recording time than Beta, which was hampered by the physical dimensions of the media literally being decided based on a 'nice sized paperback book' as opposed to designing around the length of tape needed to record X amount of hours onto it.

Beta basically lost by the time any substantial numbers of prerecorded media made their way to market/video rental stores began cropping up, because all the adopters of video recorders had gone VHS.

(also there wasn't any kind of 'Sony seal of approval' to distribute any tapes on Beta so there absolutely are porn titles on the format, but :ssh:)

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Zenostein posted:

Did those work like audio cassettes, where you could record/play slower to save more data? Relatedly, I remember blank videocassettes being marked LP/EP/&c. for the different speed/quality settings, but did something special have to be done to the cassettes for that to work, or was it all on the deck, making the box markings utterly irrelevant?

Nothing special, all it involved was running the tape at a slower speed just like with audio tapes. The box markings mostly likely just meant how long you could record onto the tape in each recording mode.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Krispy Wafer posted:

I worked at NationsBank during the '96 Olympic games and they tried so hard to make cash cards a thing. These were colorful cards with a chip that you would load with money and use at certain retailers. It was pointless. Anyone who needed one of those would almost certainly have a credit card that worked better in every conceivable way than a money card with no loss protection and whose balance slowly drained with monthly fees. Plus only certain retailers could take them and it was iffy whether the system would work with those.

Isn't that just Visa giftcards :confused:

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Tunicate posted:

the "space cadet" keyboard, yes

Arivia posted:

Yeah, these are probably very similar if not the exact model: https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=98&start=

I would wager prooobably not a Space Cadet keyboard. Those were specifically only shipped with hyper expensive mainframes and there's easily probably less than a thousand units of each ever made. Even the keyboard itself is not just something you can sneak away with, yet alone an entire mainframe system.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

stevewm posted:

He put a pinned comment shortly after the video released saying the following:



Funny that.

It also makes sense since by that time probably most of what Sears was selling was rebranded Japanese electronics.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Known Lecher posted:

Among the many amusing things in that cyberpunk photo, the one that always strikes me is the giant Sony Pyxis GPS. This was well before the US government turned off Selective Availability that intentionally degraded the signal for civilian users, so that thing was only accurate to within 100 meters or so.

Which was still pretty awesome by 1993 standards, but not really useful for the urban cyberpunk who wanted to geotag the exact spot where they spliced into the corporation's token ring network to gain unauthorized Tymnet access.

It could've been accurate!

Iirc, the entire reason they shut it down was because it was completely obsolete by that point. Processing power and bypassing techniques had gotten to a level where there wasn't really anything they could do to the signal to make it less accurate while still being able to access the accurate signal themselves.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

FilthyImp posted:

Did that ever come out?
For a hot minute it was cool and then I realized I didn't really need 10 widgets on my keyboard aside from like a volume control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj7GYU-wedo

It's apparently pretty bad.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Shut up Meg posted:

Extremely cool.

I also suspect that if you were to put it in a floppy drive, it would get utterly stuck.

https://youtu.be/w0iyk33SC4I Around 2:54.

Disappointingly, no. It just doesn't go in.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

twistedmentat posted:

I finally got time to watch this. That's all super cool. I had no idea that they released films on 8mm. I haven't seen this channel before, checking out some of his other videos. checking out the phone phreaking video now, something before my time but I've heard a lot about.

Thread favorite Techmoan has a much more in depth video on 8mm and its whole thing as an attempt at making a replacing VHS format, and he goes into films getting distributed on it and their subsequent use in airlines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdObeF9VHiA

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

mehall posted:

I didn't know about IRS records, and the R.E.M. bit was printed a lot smaller, I don't know when he received all of these, he might've only had a day or two to glance at them and do a bit of homework, so I can see missing the little R.E.M. text, especially when the focus is on the format, not the content.

From how it sounded from the Foone thread, it was even more slapdash than that. Foone had basically all the information needed for a quick overview, he was just in such a rush to get it out he either never asked Foone for it or didn't read what was given to him.

There were also a few formats that LGR/Techmoan/etc had covered in longform video too that he apparently never even saw. He was really confused by CD Video when Techmoan put out a video months ago answering literally every question he asked in that video.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

The_Franz posted:

Networks are contractually obligated to air games to completion, at least in their home markets, after they cut a game short in 1968 to air the movie Heidi, which resulted in such a massive tidal wave of angry phone calls that NBC's switchboard blew. Even when they decided to put the game back on, they couldn't call the control room to make the switch because there were no available phone circuits.

You're forgetting that the 'Heidi Game' was also really famous because the losing team managed to come back and win in the last minute of the game, after they'd already cut away. So they had to awkwardly display the final score during the movie and basically tell everyone they hosed up and didn't air a really heroic comeback.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Killingyouguy! posted:

Noone is mentioning the GameCube controller bc it is the best designed controller in history and continues to not be obsolete nor failed. Nothing but respect

It's terrible though. Made for the hands of a literal child.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Sweevo posted:

Most early arcade cabinets had the stick on the right. Moving it to the left was a scam by arcade owners to make the games more difficult. Yes really...

https://www.youtube.com./watch?v=LwyKx8TvRcE

He doesn't provide any sources for that or even give any specific examples of the modifications he mentions being made other than a vague date. It might as well just be baseless speculation. And that was all pre-standardization stuff, so if that was the case we'd see arcade cabinets where there's examples of both button configurations, and that absolutely would be something that would get tracked in a community as obsessive as the arcade collecting community, but I've had little success in finding any examples of one.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

mostlygray posted:

I used to play with my great-grandma's Victrola back in 80's. She was long dead, but we had it in a closet on the farm. Holy crap they are loud without any electronic amplification. You just use the doors for volume. It didn't work initially when I was a kid but I figured out how to to fix it. It was just a problem with the mainspring. I liked to use a sewing needle and a cone made of paper to listen to old records. That way it wouldn't be so loud. I still have the 78's with recordings from my great-grandma from the 40's. She had a freaky high pitched voice and spoke like people did in movies at the time.

You have to be careful listening too much though. The old needles are heavy and eventually the record will play out and will be no good. Best to make an electronic copy and save the old records. That's what I did with my great-grandma's recorders. All you have to do is record them at 45 then speed them up to match a 78 for pitch if your turntable can't do 78.

Other way around on those :eng101:

On old phonographs the needle is was got worn out, not the record. If you have old pre-50s 78s you absolutely should not listen to them on a modern record player or else you'll run the risk of literally destroy your pickup. Because the tracking force was so heavy as you mentioned, the records were manufactured with abrasives stuck in the material to wear out a soft steel needle because that was cheaper than wearing out the disc.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Humphreys posted:

I've never figured out what the beeps are at the end of every episode.

He has it in the description of every video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M3-ZV5-QDM

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

doctorfrog posted:

This thing is really cool to me. Does it pause when the "tape" isn't being spooled?

Iirc Techmoan took a look at that exact one and the 'tape spools' are just cogs to make the tape player happy and don't actually interact with the MP3 player portion in any way.

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ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Horace posted:

I needed a Bluetooth headunit for my car this year and was quite impressed how almost nothing has changed in that market since I last needed one. Amazingly, Bluetooth is nothing like a standard feature. You have to go looking for it. CD player, though? Default, of course.

A lot of that is probably just from automakers moving away from DIN standard head units to dumb proprietary ones that have higher levels of integration into the car (HVAC, car info, etc). So the market for aftermarket head units is nothing like it was fifteen years ago and there's not much incentive to really innovate or advance what's currently available.

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