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Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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wa27 posted:

This is my dad's current phone (Samsung Convoy). I took this pic 5 years ago after he had a house fire. It melted pretty bad and the outer screen is dead, but it still works fine. If Samsung had a museum, this should be in there like the Desert Storm Game Boy.



Is it old enough that it's going to lose connection once 2G GSM shuts down this year?

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Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Shut up Meg posted:

I miss the tactile aspect of metal and mechanical switches.

Everything these days is made of crappy plastic and touchscreens. I want things that go 'click' when you press them and that you can polish with a rag and WD40
I miss when computer power switches weren't advisory.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Jerry Cotton posted:

(I think Americans use voice recognition nowadays to completely fail to do stuff like setting a timer or turning off lights? Dunno sounds extremely hosed up.)
It's used a lot by people with disabilities, including RSS. Doctors dictate a lot of their notes still, and there are voice-recognition systems that are then edited by humans. No idea how well they work.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Peanut Butler posted:

its p good for driving, I just hold down the handsfree button and it kicks it in to the ok google- "send text to bob" "okay" "hi bob I'm about thirty minutes out on I-70, see you soon", works well enough-

drat. I have to try that. Is this an Android Auto thing?

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Platystemon posted:

Additionally, light travels half again as fast in air as it does in glass.

I demand that we install ether tubes. Classical ether, not this bullshit anesthetic.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Peanut Butler posted:

so I went shopping for a new one and they were all either smart TVs, or huge expensive videophile equipment pieces.
I am really really pissed off about this. Especially since my TV is one of the brands (Vizio) that turned out to be spying on you. I want an @#$@#$@#$ monitor.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Giant Metal Robot posted:

Or just don't ever connect your TV to your network?

Haha! Fooled you! You literally cannot pair the remote without hooking the TV up to wifi.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Explosionface posted:

The only computer program worthy of being in awe of was Kid Pix. :colbert:

(applauds in Mac). Speaking of which, in (it must have been, I think?) late '82-early '83 my husband and a group of other computer engineers flew out to evaluate the nascent Mac for adoption as the standard campus computer. They came back looking like they'd seen God. My husband couldn't/wouldn't tell me why until a good while later. I think at that time one person on campus had been to Xerox Parc and seen the original OS.

So they came home, the administration committed to the project, and my husband spent the next couple of years cross-developing on a Lisa, which ran like a pig. It was worth it.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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drat, I love iIfocom. Sadly, Douglas Adams's games required the hint books unless you were Douglas Adams. I had a friend who worked there in the '80s. He held a fair bit of stock, but then the bigwigs at the company IIRC decided what they really needed to do was develop a database manager.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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You should all be very glad you never tried to play Adams's BUREAUCRACY. It has a blood-pressure meter as a mechanic, and by all accounts it was appropriate. It was supposed to be frustrating, but the word of mouth I heard was that again it was impossible without the hint book.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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twistedmentat posted:

I've played a few modern adventure games, like Kathy Rain. Only once did I have to google a solution to a puzzle and that was only because what I needed to do was not actually the direction you were given

I usually have to google a couple of puzzles, even in really well-thought-out games like Machinarium. I just fail the Read Developer's Mind roll.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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shovelbum posted:

Hence the shameless corporate whoring

I watched a '60s Julia Child the other day. (They're on YouTube. They're awesome.) The show loving taped over the labels on the milk carton. And the measuring cup. Because NPR was a government service that didn't advertise products.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Plinkey posted:

Do you mean PBS?

Whoops. Yup. Actually, it was NET then, as I recall; National Educational Television.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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BalloonFish posted:

It's not impossible, just very expensive - like, even with the values of Silver Shadows no longer being rock bottom it can still cost more than the car is worth to diagnose and repair a hydraulic fault.
What happened to the values of Silver Shadows? I'm really curious.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Fortunately, my brother wanted much of my dad's workshop, and donated the rest to a makerspace.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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In the 1950s, people worried a lot. (I wonder why?) One of the things they worried about was that watching TV in a dark room would cause eyestrain. The solution? The TV lamp. It sat on the top of the TV and cast a dim glow on the wall behind it; this supposedly protected your eyes by lowering the contrast between the bright TV and the room, without making it harder to see the TV.

There were many options, in pottery, plaster, and fiberglass.

Mount Rushmore

Sailboat

Owl (note light-up eyes!)

Water mill with planter


A couple of other anti-eyestrain solutions I remember: a publisher all of whose books were on pale-green paper, again to diminish contrast, and special reading floor lamps that featured one upright lamp to light the whole room and one to be angled so that the light came over your left shoulder. I remember having the illumination come over your left shoulder -- not the right, who knows why -- being a big deal.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Having a separate directional light is neat; do you carefully place it over your left shoulder?

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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When I was growing up, my brother's friends' father had a hobby Linotype machine. An entire linotype machine in his barn. It was so cool. He did each of our names for us, and I remember how hot the leads were as they dropped into the tray. Those suckers are mechanical magic.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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ryonguy posted:

Now, I have a question: why this entire machine, that was the default for mass printing for a century, that is insanely complex and expensive, using hot molten metal to rapid-form letter blocks instead of a simpler system that just drops reusable steel letter blocks into position?
Because you have to sort the reusable blocks back into categories for reuse. This is hard to do mechanically. Creating disposable slugs that are then re-melted requires no processing after the page has been cast.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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bring back old gbs posted:

An ad for IBM selectrix typewriters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNUEUth7qjc

they had a weird ball printhead instead of a ton of individual arms, which allowed you to change fonts pretty easily. This must have been cool at the time


here's a video about how the mechanics work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRCNenhcvpw

Those were incredibly handy in academia. Need to insert 12 mathematical symbols into a one-page paper? Without a Selectra, you handwrite them in. With a Selectra, you swap balls, hit the weird characters, then move on. Also handy, in a pre-computer age, if the Russian department has one; you can do all your normal departmental stuff in English, then learn to type Cyrillic on an English keyboard and you're good.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Pham Nuwen posted:

Selectric. It's called the IBM Selectric.

Anyway yeah they're neat as hell, I've written a few short stories on mine just for the novelty. Every typewriter with a moving platen has tended to "walk" across the tabletop as I use it, but not the Selectric. It also takes up far less horizontal space than the old kind. Wish I had a few more typeballs for it, but from a pragmatic point of view I use it so rarely there's no sense chasing one down.

GDI, I even googled to check. I have no idea how I got it wrong. Error between brain and keyboard. Old IBM typewriters, like old IBM keyboards, are built like highly functional bricks. You have to work very hard to break them.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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bring back old gbs posted:

I demand to know the contents of
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Is there any doubt? Porn.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Johnny Aztec posted:

Not much you can do with 80MB but I am sure people have tried.
In my youth, people really did pass around ascii porn. And then again, you can go old-school and just use text. Life finds a way, baby.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Plinkey posted:

But that's basically just how delay lines work. I had to design and build some for testing radars but we used coiled fiber optics instead of copper to get multiple miles of delay, same idea just a lot lighter.

Some of the earliest delay lines used liquid mercury, which I think is metal as gently caress.

(yes. I did that on purpose.)

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Johnny Aztec posted:

I think I have them put up, but I have a few Mercury switches that I scavenged.

Pretty neat old school safety switch.

When I was growing up, we had a few special lightswitches in the house that glided rather than snapped. Those were mercury switches, too.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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I remember, and I think a lot of people my age do, playing with the droplets of mercury from a broken thermometer or barometer. It's just so nifty. Of course, my 2 1/4 kids can't walk upright, but it's the price you pay for fun.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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The Ape of Naples posted:

Of course, this all might not be 100% correct but I believe that that agreement stands to this day and Apple plays no part in the music business.
Nope. Apple had to renegotiate when they got started with iPods.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Apple wasn't just the Beatles' holding company; it was their record label.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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(counts) 26 open tabs, 10 of them on SomethingAwful. What can I say, I hate the Back button; if I load all the tabs I want to read at once, I can click from one to the other without waiting. Then there's the fic I'm reading and need to comment on, three Wikipedia pages, a comic on Git I need to scroll ack and read from the beginning. And lots of Stuff.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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AntherUslessPoster posted:

I think its all because coding etiquette and overall level decreases over time. It's easier to throw a 150mb library in than to properly and elegantly code in a function you need.
Nah, coding etiquette and level has always been pretty bad. We (well, my friends) were bitching about the sloppy coding on personal computers, because the code written for our college mainframe was so much tighter and optimized. We have been bitching about other people's code not being tight enough since, in my own experience, the 1980s.

The truth is that people have gotten more and more expensive, while hardware has gotten ridiculously cheap. It only makes business sense to throw an extra server in the rack, rather than hiring the very expensive person who knows how to carve your bloatware down to a reasonable codebase PLUS migrating the entire existing codebase to the new, optimized setup. Assuming you are the very expensive programmer, persuading your management that slowing everybody else in the company down in order to fix the accumulated cruft in the code is a very, very hard sell.

This isn't about etiquette. It's about what's cheap to fix, and what's very very expensive to fix.

(I still remember that The Mythical Man-Month recommends writing two versions of every library, one that is memory efficient and one that was CPU efficient.)

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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AntherUslessPoster posted:

Everything boils down to profits yet again. Sad sad world we live in :(
But let's assume we are in a genuine anarchy, no money changing hands, people giving what they don't need and taking what they do. Anarchist me, who is programming just because I love it, is still trying to decide between slamming the codebase of my collective into a brick wall, dead stop, in order to refactor out dead code. Everybody else in my collective has to stall until I'm done, or to spend months downstream stalling in order to integrate my changes, because the codebase is just that bad.

Or we can grab a hundred new processors from the collective next door, because they're fabbing a hundred thousand [insert your favorite imaginary number] a day.

Less human time is consumed by the alternative solution, which means everybody in my collective can go outside and watch the clouds for a bit.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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AntherUslessPoster posted:

But if you love programming, would you not find a way to implement a good written code somehow, just because you love what you do and do it with full commitment and dedication?
I dunno, maybe it's just me.
If I'm building a brand-new building, from scratch, I can do it as perfectly as I like. If I'm replacing the boiler in a factory, while other people are still canning sardines, I have to consider their work as well as my own. Most modern software isn't written by one person working alone; it's written by a team, and if one person makes even the most appropriate changes to the boiler, everybody else has to drop what they were doing and wait for the boiler to come back online.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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WithoutTheFezOn posted:

That post zips me right back to college in the 80s. Every single computer engineering student had a copy of the K&R book.

The cover was blue lettering on a off-white background.

(high-five of olds) I was taught out of K&P, too. ("Software Tools", by Kernighan and Plauger.) One of my commonest tasks in the computer room was explaining to people "No, that Tektronix is just in APL mode, hold on a sec and I'll put it back into regular mode."

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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https://twitter.com/bphennessy/status/1292282665559785474

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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JnnyThndrs, I adore the contrast between your cottagecore shelves and the technology collection. Nicely played!

It's only indirectly Chrome's fault Flash is going away. Adobe itself is EOL-ing Flash because they don't want to keep patching security bugs supporting it. Why is it indirectly Chrome's fault? Because Google and Apple decided not to support Flash on smartphones, meaning that Flash games and godawful websites wouldn't work on phones.

However, there is a project afoot to archive most known Flash games, together with a streaming Flash player that will continue to work post-12/31. Project Flashpoint!


e: Just to be clear, after the EOL date, Flash won't work at all, in browser or in a standalone player. https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/end-of-life.html

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Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Man, I saw that and had a visceral memory of how they sounded.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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LifeSunDeath posted:

The entire reason I read the book was to learn more about "one-time pads," the application and also how it works with numbers stations, that's it. The rest of the book was enjoyable, and obviously not like some whistleblower type book.

All of VENONA is now online, and it's fun reading if you're that kind of person. https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/venona/ For a good memoir about one-time pads (among other things, see Leo Marks's excellent Between Silk and Cyanide.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

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Those are an absolute joy; where did you find them?

e: There are two different operas based on that story: "Manon Lescaut" by Puccini, and "Manon" by Massenet. There's also at least one ballet.

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Apr 12, 2012

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barbecue at the folks posted:

Man I miss that solid feel of vintage Sony electronics, the feeling that you really are holding a marvel of space age engineering in your hands. I always wanted a minidisc Walkman but was too young to afford one myself and my parents definitely didn't have the cash to spend. :sigh:

I miss the satisfying button click and weight of the old TI scientific calculators. RPN, man.

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Apr 12, 2012

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TotalLossBrain posted:

You're describing HP calculators

I started to say HP but then corrected it. Sigh. My brain is obsolete and failed.

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