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Negrostrike posted:

It's hella funny when TV shows that were supposed to be 4:3 are now shown in widescreen:




I thought video was going to be a fanboi-whine, but it's a really justified rant that includes this issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZWNGq70Oyo

aspect is addressed from 8:30 onwards

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ryonguy posted:

What is even the point of cropping like this in this scene?

The video suggests that they simply ran the whole episode through some aspect-changing software and left the box marked 'auto' checked.

Which if it is true, is like the laziest job ever.

Heck, you could get an intern to simply move the crop box around and they'd probabl enjoy the break from unwanted sexual advances for a few hours.

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twistedmentat posted:

I'm watching the LRG episode about the Dot Matrix printer that does different fonts, and I am reminded of the old one we had with our IIGS. The thing was so loud and would shake the table so much it was kind of terrifying. But its super satisfying to pull the tracks off the pages once you're done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG8RAbWs1yo

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spookygonk posted:

The office I worked in, back in 1985 had a dot matrix printer in the room, encased in a much larger sound proofed box. The (A3 sized?) continuous paper came in large boxes and was fed in the back through a slot and back out through another slot, so it was still loud (but not as stupidly loud as when you lifted the lid). Of course the paper would get jammed or the perforations would tear off, but then we still had a typing pool and, I think, a mimeograph.

I have a lot of affection for dot matrix printers and I've just realised why:



2,300 sheets from a single box.
None of that 'PC Load Letter' bullshit or having to fill the papertray every time you want to print anything: that bastard would stay full for a whole month.

And it never jammed, either. As long as no-one dropped something heavy on the paper as it was fed, it would motor on relentlessly.

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Jedit posted:

It's more interesting than it sounds because some of it is poo poo he made up so he could wave his walking stick at all this modern tomfoolery. For example, after Phone Day all UK numbers became a standard 11 digits long whereas previously London numbers had been only 10 digits

It's weird to be cheerleading the UK phone network, but you're right that it's a pretty logical system now - which is impressive given that it has organically grown on the original system using 'Hello, Operator, what number please?'

What is obsolete is giving a poo poo about your phone number:

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PhONEday was a change to the telephone dialing plan in the United Kingdom on 16 April 1995. It changed geographic area codes and some telephone numbers. In most areas a "1" was added to the dialling code. In Bristol, Leeds, Leicester, Nottingham and Sheffield the area codes were replaced with new codes and the subscriber numbers gained an extra digit. The PhONEday changes also made provision for new ranges of subscriber numbers in those five cities. A £16m advertising campaign, and an eight-month period of parallel running during which old and new codes were active, preceded the change.[1] PhONEday followed a change made in May 1990 when the old London area code 01 had been released from use, permitting all United Kingdom geographic numbers to begin with this prefix. Originally planned in 1991 to take place in 1994,[2] in 1992 the change was postponed until 1995.[2]

I think I can remember 4 telephone numbers now - I genuinely find it easier to google a business name on my phone and one-press dial it than I do to remember how to dial a number using android. And my personal contacts all exist in my address book - those that I actully call, rather than WhatsApp.


Humphreys posted:

I bought things:


Do you, in fact, own a HD-DVD player?

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Okay that is spooky: it was my memory of sitting down with an ebay-fresh copy of Bladerunner in the best cut, only to start swearing at my bluray player before I noticed that the case was red.

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T-man posted:

I'm young enough that my first sexual experience was seeing a picture of Princess Peach naked on the internet. And now I'm like this.

Besides, there are old 1960's programs in FORTRAN and poo poo to print out sexy lady ASCII art, so I assure you all people have been masturbating to computers for over half a century.

I miss sexy lady ASCII art.

You don't get artistry like that any more. I am not sure how they created them with the technology they had at the time - did someone 'paint' them by hand?

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T-man posted:

...they had dot matrix printers.

No, I don't mean bitmapped images: that was a relatively simple process to create a printable image. I mean ASCII art that created 'photorealistic' images out of letters: I'm pretty sure you couldn't convert a bitmapped image into a letter-based format with a simple app using the tech of the time.

SubG posted:

Yeah. ASCII art predates the computer. The first commercially successful typewriters were made in the 1870s. The first known examples of typewriter art are from the 1890s.

Yeah, those are what I am thinking of, but you 'paint' them with the typewriter. Did they do that with a terminal?

E: They did!

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Grand Prize Winner posted:

For about a month when I was in 5th or 6th grade (around 2000 or so) the copier at my school broke so everything was done on an old ditto machine. The principal, who was very old, had a special assembly to celebrate his foresight in not sending it back to the district for scrapping when they replaced it in the late 70s. Say what you will but apparently that thing still worked after two decades of storage.

Yeah, I have had bosses like that.

Fucks up by not having redundancy or a maintenance contract with an SLA on mission-critical equipment; pats self on back for paying for storage of obsolete tech for 20 years that requires staff training to use and produces inferior output.

Reminds me of the time I found a 25-year old minicomputer in an outbuilding. You never know when you might need it!

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Unperson_47 posted:

What were those devices that you put your credit card on it at store register a long rear end time agos? It was kind of like a mandolin slicer.

They went away long before I was using credit/debit card and I don't think I ever knew what exactly they did or what they were called.

Imprinter

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Fun fact: a popular form of fraud replied on companies not taking care with the used carbon paper and leaving a perfect copy of your credit card lying around.

Always take the carbons.

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Sweevo posted:

My UK middle school still had old style desks with lift-up tops and inkwells (long disused and stuffed full of pencil shavings and 10 year old gum). This would have been 1988-92. The "fun" class project on the first day of the school year was to give the kids sandpaper and tell them to remove last year's graffiti.



The high-school I started in 1992 still had a typing classroom full of typewriters, although they were just putting the last group of girls (no boys allowed) through and turned it into another history classroom the next year. The headmaster was also very old fashioned and used to walk around in his mortarboard and gown swishing the cane he wasn't allowed to use any more.

Whoa, what's with the centrally-placed inkwells?

What kind of left-wing, namby-pamby, airy-fairy school did you go to where left-handed weaklings were tolerated instead of being rapped across the knuckles until they learnt to write with the correct hand and also gain a stutter?

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Computer viking posted:

At this point there's a fair chance someone would pay to take a minicomputer off your hands, especially if it was still working or easily repaired - but I get the impression this was a little while ago?

Yeah, it was a dozen years ago and it turns out that storing sensitive electronics in an outbuilding with a leaky roof leaves you with something that you can't even convert into a cocktail cabinet for nerds.

It was more a laugh at the idea that someone thought to store it for such a long time in case it became useful - which wasn't helped by not storing any peripherals or documentation along with it.

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Horace posted:

Same, we started with those awkward Berol Handwriting pens and graduated to cartridge pens when we proved competent enough.

Christ, you just triggered an old memory for me.



I can still taste them.

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Most of my bills used to be paid by cheque/check: credit cards, utilities, etc

If you were having a tough month, you could always gain a couple of extra week of liquidity: send the credit card cheque to the gas company, the gas company cheque to the electricity company and the electricity cheque to the credit card company. Wait for them to call/write you, apologise and promise to post the right cheque out immediately.

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Also, I feel there should be a lot of stories about bored office workers sending inappropriate things through these tubes.

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Computer viking posted:

What's that screenshot from?

Edit: ... is that from Lost?

Yup.

I can't tell you the significance of it because it was from the last season I watched.

E: I gave up when I realised they probably weren't going to explain the magic smoke.

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Ericsson EH237



See the silver band around the body? That's the metal chassis which appeared to have been quarter-inch thick plate steel with holes milled in it for components.
If you dropped it, you weren't worried about a shattered screen. You were worried about a shattered paving slab.

These days, if I go down a dark alley, I make sure to hide my smartphone in an inner pocket.
With the ol' Ericsson, I'd take it out of my pocket (actually, unclip it from my belt) and hold it in my hand. With the extended battery taking up the weight, you could seriously crack skulls with it.

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Peanut Butler posted:

frosted translucent plastic

not a right-angle to be seen

"vtech"

it's a design I am immediately drawn to and disgusted by at once

I am sure you know where this design was ripped off from inspired by:

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Platystemon posted:

All software running today can be traced to ancestor programs for which humans set bits by hand, with something like punch cards or front panel switches.

I'd like to see someone do the archeology on this and find a specific example: point to a fragment of code from the latest OS that was originally punchcode.

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Geoj posted:

I started working for FujiFilm as a field tech in 2004. The only proprietary formats I recall from the era were MemoryStick (Sony), SmartMedia (Toshiba) and xD (Fuji/Olympus.)

When you say 'MemoryStick', do you mean Memory Stick, Memory Stick Select, Memory Stick PRO, Memory Stick Duo, Memory Stick PRO Duo, Memory Stick PRO-HG Duo, Memory Stick Micro (M2), Memory Stick XC or Memory Stick PRO-HG Duo HX?

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uli2000 posted:

None of the above. Let me introduce you to the late Sony Zuma



About the size of a pack of smokes, slightly shorter, with a flip out mic, I think my Motorola Advisor alphanumeric pager was slightly bigger tho thinner. It was on Sprint, because of course I was young and had lovely credit. It was basically the standard cheap rear end Sprint Qualcomm phone crammed into a smaller package, basically the same down to the scroll wheel for navigation. I ended up dumping it when I got engaged and we got Nextel phones because the walkie talkie was free and on Sprint we could only call each other like after 9 or 10pm or we'd blow our tiny allotment of minutes in a day or two, which sucked for her as she worked the early AM shift at the time. That thing weighed about a pound and could double as a weapon to bash a skull in if needed.

Before Sony got in bed with Ericsson, I think they used their own phone designers, borrowed from their quality radio division.

Their stuff felt really good to the touch and I am not sure it has been surpassed since. Look at those buttons: straight off their high-end shortwave radios.

The 'Mars Bar' phone - called cause it felt you were holding a satisfying chocolate bar in your hand and let's be honest, what's a better feeling than that?



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Shibawanko posted:

"CELLULAR TELEPHONE" said in that 1920s radio voice

That's made me think a little:

See the earpiece and how in one photo it is 1/4" higher up the phone than the other? Although there is are SEND and END buttons to make and end the call, you could also do it by sliding the earpiece up/down - mimicking the actions of a landline phone. I wonder if that was done to reduce the learning curve?

Incidentally, the extendable aerial was completely fake and apparently, a lot of phones had fake ones too.

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Almost certainly apocryphal, but I still love it:

quote:

An elderly lady phoned her telephone company to report that her pet dog always barked three times immediately before the phone rang and she wanted to know why.

The telephone repairman proceeded to the scene, curious to see this psychic dog or senile elderly lady.
He climbed a nearby telephone pole, hooked in his test set, and dialed the subscriber's house. The phone didn't ring right away, but instead the dog barked three times and then the telephone began to ring.

Climbing down from the pole, the telephone repairman found:

1. The dog was tied to the telephone system's ground wire via a steel chain and collar.
2. The wire connection to the ground rod was loose.
3. The dog was receiving 90 volts of signaling current when the phone number was called.
4. Each ring would cause the dog to bark in pain. After a couple of such jolts, the dog would urinate on himself and the ground.
5. The wet ground would complete the circuit, thus causing the phone to ring.

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Exit Strategy posted:

I continue to be delighted by how "durable enough to commit murder with" is apparently the stand-out feature of old tech.

I miss the tactile aspect of metal and mechanical switches.

Everything these days is made of crappy plastic and touchscreens. I want things that go 'click' when you press them and that you can polish with a rag and WD40

All the bits of my car are plastic or controlled by soft buttons. Even my electric drill is made of plastic

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Arsenic Lupin posted:

I miss when computer power switches weren't advisory.
If I may be so bold to amend your comment.

My TV regularly crashes.
(How you gently caress up something as simple as a screen that displays different channels is beyond me, but it does.) The power button won't kill the power to let me power-cycle it. I have to pull the goddamn plug. It's not like a switch is complicated technology - why not spend the 10c and include one.

stevewm posted:

Its funny how everyone thought in the future every call would be a video call. Then the future arrived. Video calls are possible from just about every cellphone. And a myriad of devices. Yet a good majority of calls are still done audio only.
I do see a lot of people Facetiming their friends. Not to my taste, but it is pretty common (often at the wheel of a car or on the pavement in front of me when I am in a hurry)

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Unperson_47 posted:

This is mind-blowing. Have you ever checked if there was a firmware upgrade that fixed it?

Software upgrade?
Mine came with 3 apps for viewing local TV channels. One was outdated when I unboxed the TV. One ran for 6 months before being depreciated. One last an entire 18 months before it stopped working.


Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_5thEfEPHA

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LifeSunDeath posted:

well you got me to sit through a linus video, and yeah it's exactly what I expected, slow as poo poo not worth the cost.

The card or the Linus video?

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Sweevo posted:

The early 80s was weirder for that. Half the magazine would be 1/6th page black and white ads with a hand-drawn image and the titles of a few clearly home-made games you've never heard of. No screenshots or even descriptions, just titles and prices:

<badly photocopied pencil drawing of a dragon>

Gorilla Attack (ZX81/VIC20)
Cave (ZX81/VIC20/Spectrum)
Martian Saucer (VIC20 only)
Stalag XIII (Zx81/Spectrum)
Space Cruiser 2 (ZX81 only)
Typing Teacher (ZX81/VIC20)

Send £4.99 each to: <some 15 year old's home address>

The actual content wasn't much better. You'd get eight games reviewed in the space of one page, then a four-page feature on some lovely spreadsheet that was only available for an obscure platform, then a nine-page Basic listing (full of typos) for a game that was no fun to play.



I like how they often included a calculator watch.

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Horace posted:

I had one of those unbranded calculator watches. It was difficult to use, too big to be comfortable and then I got mugged for it on the top deck of a local bus.

I've always been curious: did the watch bear any resemblance to the Casio calculator watch of the time? That sold for more than £10 at that time, I am sure.


(your name/avatar is very apt for this conversation)

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Horace posted:

Horace was my first video game! The calculator watch was kinda like the Casio ones... I think it looked a lot like this:



But I only had it for about a week so the memory's a bit fuzzy.
Thanks: you have scratched a very old itch as I did once consider buying that tape on the grounds that if it were comparable to a Casio, then it may have been a reasonable purchase.
In the event that I discover time-travel, you've saved me £10.

an actual frog posted:

So I'd never heard of this and did a cursory search,

http://pixelatron.com/blog/cassette-50-the-interview/ :allears:
Thanks for that. Interesting to read a piece of the puzzle

Gromit posted:

I have the 1990 Australian Personal Computer Hardware Buyers Guide on my bookshelf and it is a terrifying array of under-specced computers for premium dollars. Not cheesy at all, but it's amazing to see how many different manufacturers there were back then. Anyone remember graphics cards made by Number 9? Their Pepper Pro-1280 had 256 colours (a trade-off for the amazing 1280x1024 resolution) which was a steal at AUS$5,000.
How?

Where there any display devices that could handle that resolution at that time?

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Gromit posted:

There were a few choices, so long as you had $4-$5k to drop on a high res monitor. A ColorMAX cost over $14,000 with a screen size of 485mm (19 inch), but it had a much higher horizontal frequency than most of the others in the lower price bracket.
Monochrome had higher res options like 1600x1280, and Hitachi had a weirdo 2048x2048 display but for all I know that thing flickered like a strobe light.

Mind blown: I was rocking SVGA (800x600) in 1994 and that was the best you could get on the standard consumer market.

I guess 1280x1024 in 1990 is like 16K today.

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Buttcoin purse posted:

No way, well maybe that's the best you could get from a chain store or something, but I'm looking at PC Magazine from 24 Sep 1991 and you could get an ATI (I just picked a known brand) VGA Integra for $189 supporting 1024x768, even non-interlaced! I'm sure that by 1994 I had some kind of Tseng ET4000-based card that could do 1024x768 but in combination with my monitor I could only get interlaced. An ad later in the magazine has that card for only $129, apparently at 1024x768 it's only 16 colors (like my card was IIRC).

This magazine also has an ad with a picture of a box from Microsoft which says on it "The Microsoft Office". I don't remember it having "The" in its name but it's right there on the box :shrug:

Also Microsoft Mouse (bus or serial) only $89, or $149 with Windows 3.0!

I hate it when I have to be reminded just how old I am.....You are correct, this was 1991 when I had that monitor and it came on a machine with Windows 3.0

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KSahAoOLdU

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We embark on the restoration of a very rare and historically significant machine: the Apollo Guidance Computer, or AGC. It was the revolutionary MIT-designed computer aboard Apollo that brought man on the Moon (and back!). Mike Stewart, space engineer extraordinaire and living AGC encyclopedia, spearheads this restoration effort. In this first episode, we setup a makeshift lab in his hotel room, somewhere in Houston. The computer belongs to a delightful private collector, Jimmie Loocke, who has generously allowed us to dive in the guts of his precious machine, with the hope of restoring it to full functionality by July 2019, the anniversary of the Apollo 11 Moon Landing.

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Empress Brosephine posted:

Mafia 1 is what blew my mind. I never really thought computer games looked that much better until I saw that game and begged my mom for a new computer.

Like you, most of my experiences have been pleasant, but not earth-shattering.

But with two exceptions:

1993 Doom. Playing a level that was a tight maze in a basement with lots of the pink monsters hiding there. Turn the wrong corner and they'd rip your face off, so you needed to move cautiously. The hidden monsters would occasionally howl and I legit found myself scared of them and nervous.. It was a revelatory moment to be genuinely scared, in a blood-run cold way, by a computer game sound effect.

Second time was upgrading from a ps2 on a poo poo CRT to a 360 with hdmi on a HD screen. Modern Warfare, sniper level. Watching the detail on the ghillie suit as each clump of fibres moved independently of the others, as a result of my moving the controls just blew my mind that such detail, better than LOTR on the big screen at the same time, could be generated on the fly.

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Cojawfee posted:

I watched that earlier and that's American as gently caress to do. The tape is a different size, the holes are in different places, and the tape heads are put in upside down. Once someone buys the Sears tape player, they can only use Sears tapes.

He describes it as 'one of the most cynical formats ever created' and all I could think was 'oh, honey'

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Platystemon posted:

No, because the counterfeits aren’t whole-cloth replicas based on your publicity photos.

They need you to send your designs to factories so they can copy them.


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Remember the StikBox? The creative smartphone case selfie stick raised over $40K on Kickstarter for a product that would eventually cost about $47. But before the Kickstarter was even over, China was selling a perfect copy for as little as 8 bucks.

It’s part horror story, part PSA: if you’re planning to create a mass market product and release it over Kickstarter, be ready to deal with the lightning-quick copycats in China. Isreali entrepreneur and creator of the StikBox, Yekutiel Sherman, was not ready. He did things the right way: put together prototypes, raised money from relatives to launch a professional crowdfunding campaign, and was prepared to deliver a fun, useful product.

But just one week after launching his successful Kickstarter, exact replicas started popping up online:

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bring back old gbs posted:

Red is sourcing bottom of the barrel consumer components to build their drives when they could source higher quality server grade internals and still have a product with an insane markup.

I don't mind that they are taking a $250 generic component, sticking it in a custom case and charging more: that's the way business goes. But charging $2,500 for that branded product is just insulting.

and, as you say, it's not even a particularly good quality generic component.

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LifeSunDeath posted:

you guys remember the game-gear would just chew through batteries...

I remember when I bought mine. Took it home, played my first game of Mickey Mouse, paused after a couple of levels and the batteries were dead.

I think space heaters used less power.

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Jan 8, 2019

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Humphreys posted:

1.5VDC vs 1.2VDC

Which always annoyed me. If you are making a substitute for a 1.5V battery, why would you make it 1.2V?

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