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Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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Mr. Mallory posted:

One of my friends was just saying this to me but I just don't understand what could possibly be so much better.

You know the satisfying feeling of popping bubblewrap, clicking a gum tin/box open and closed all the time or the sound of bricks clinking together? Add them together and you have what a mechanical keyboard feels like with every keystroke.

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Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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tacodaemon posted:

That's because it's a restyled mirror of someone else's website from 1997 that originally looked like this.

You know, I somewhat miss the internet of 10+ years ago. Poorly designed.. but there was HEART AND PASSION.. and flaming skulls!

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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Sir_Substance posted:

I don't want to destroy the chip, that's a far better way of paying then the magnetic strip, it's only the RFID I don't want.

As for the onus being on the bank, you need to read your T's&C's carefully. My banks states that they'll only cover paywave based fraud once the card is reported stolen, so if you don't notice for a few hours...


Ah you do realize you are given a reasonable amount of time to declare cards stolen and this applied to your card before paywave came into fashion right?

It sounds like you're in Australia where there's an immense amount of consumer protection for this kind of stuff. The onus is on the banks, stop worrying so much.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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homewrecker posted:

After doing some housecleaning this weekend, I found my brother's old MiniDisc recorder as well as 5 blank MiniDiscs. I'd love to use it just for the novelty but recording music onto the discs is an annoying process when pretty much all of my music collection is in a digital format on my PC. I'm not surprised that they didn't have a chance against flash and HDD MP3 players, but I find it interesting that Sony continued to ship MiniDisc Walkmans up until late 2011.


At any rate, I'll keep the minidiscs themselves sitting around on my desk for decoration. They look like something you'd see in a movie when someone just broke into a top secret facility and needs to download and store some highly classified information, and I absolutely love that.



Outside Japan they were still pretty popular as a recording medium for just about anything from music to voice etc.. I remember doing documentary projects with these things as late as 07 and the sound quality was still drat good for portable recording.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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gently caress its weird seeing Beyond2000 with an american presenter. That show ran for like 15 years here in Australia and never really knew it was popular overseas.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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Tetanus is a bacteria that lives in the ground. Cutting yourself on rusty metal lying the ground might require a Tetanus shot but the razor blades in your wall wont have any on them.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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Dick Trauma posted:

Those lovely tiny negatives made 110 look good.

Its a pretty big thing that people overlooked when film was being "miniaturized" in the late 90's to try and compete with the beginnings of digital. Chemical film size plays a huge part in the clarity of the image, particularly if you're trying to keep costs within a reasonable limit. Small was just plain shittier then 35mm.

Does anyone have any recent experience in film photography art? Digitial may be far superior for everyday and professional use but darkroom work was one of the highlights of my school days in the early 2000's and would hate for people to miss out on it now because of digital.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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Im not even sure photo chemicals are that toxic to ingest anyway (dont do it anyway) because as you said, they act on silver compounds which we dont have any of as far as I know.

Que a chemist coming in to explain why such chemicals will turn your insides into solid matter or something.


I will say I dont miss the process of spooling the drat film into the developing container totally blind. Those ratchet teeth bits never quite worked all the time.

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Oct 9, 2004

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Humphreys posted:

The best/worst advertisement for Minidisc and Sony product in general was:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymNFyxvIdaM

I thiought that kid was soo cool with his NetMD that even had the LCD on the lead. Mine had controls on teh lead but he was ballin'

I never realized just how much Sony placement was in that video.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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pienipple posted:

Google Now's voice recognition seems to work okay, not infallible but it's usually pretty close.

Yeah its surprisingly accurate now. As in I can speak normal sentences into it and it gets it 95% of the time.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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WebDog posted:

I kind of miss the days of Nokia's devil may care insanity with their designs. If there was a niche, they attempted to capture it in any way.
Fold out keyboards, phones shaped like a leaf, mini-phones, phones that converted into mini music players or camcorders.

Who loves lights!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acBWxbqXEeI

This little rave machine even came with a "fun shell" which flashed LED messages when waved around.



First phone was the 3310 which was just a fantastic testament to well built design and then the "Navigator" slide phone which I still have sitting around and likely still works fantastically. The navigator had a great form factor actually and the usability was just super nice.

Its drat amazing just how much Apple killed Nokia post Iphone release considering Nokia was THE phone manufacturer for a solid decade. Had they jumped on board to the Android uprising from the get go instead of stubbornly trying to make Symbian a relevant OS they might have taken the spot that Samsung currently holds.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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Count Chocula posted:

Some people have no credit so they just Facebook. Some people don't have your number.

I'm torn on physical media. I got rid of 90% of my CD collection and I kinda regret it. I had them in this big albums, hundreds of them. Just kept one box. My friend had a bunch of awesome VHS tapes she had to get rid of, so we kept the covers to use for art - lots of b-movie and monster stuff. I'm probably getting rid of most of my DVDs too.

I remember reading some Star Trek book where physical books were just a rare affectation. We're not at that point yet, since it's way more fun and easy to read books than using e-readers or iBooks, but it was still oddly accurate.

I am not entirely sure books are going to become an obsolete medium entirely. The difference is that books form a tactile "experience" when reading that a lot of people like whereas CDs/VHS etc.. are simply storage mediums and arent really part of the actual experience short of the quality they can provide.

Perhaps I am to conservative with my multimedia consumption though as I still buy physical albums I want to listen to and buy actual books to read.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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Jerry Cotton posted:

Physical books have never been threatened by e-books in the non-Anglophone markets.

Thats an interesting point as well. Books at the end of the day are dependent on no infrastructure past their initial printing and transport.


Zonekeeper posted:

The main thing I like physical books for is being able to easily flip between two non-adjacent pages at a whim. So books where you may want easy access to multiple pages at once like technical manuals, textbooks, game guides and Tabletop RPG books are far better in physical form than in e-reader form.

Tabbed browsing/window tiling on a computer replicates this functionality so I don't mind accessing those types of information on a computer but e-readers don't compare at all.

Completely agree with this as well. I also appreciate the art put into such books a lot more when physically holding them.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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Tunicate posted:



not an edit

Holy crap, is that drawn in 2015? The disconnect from reality is just boggling.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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JnnyThndrs posted:

No poo poo. Free public libraries and for-profit bookstores lived quite successfully together for well over a hundred years; the decline of bookstores JUST HAPPENED to dovetail with cheap online booksellers and the rising popularity of e-books. Funny coincidence, that is.

I would be interested in really finding out if bookstore are really suffering that badly or the case of Borders failing due largely because of corporate competence creating a bit of a misunderstood case.

Mainly because here in Australia, the other main bookstore chain Dymocks has continued to be quite successful and even your local corner bookshops still seem to be largely operating fine.

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Oct 9, 2004

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point of return posted:

Last I heard, they're not doing as well as pre-Amazon, but they're surviving. The funny thing about the collapse of Borders is that it had less to do with being in the print books business and more to do with their expansion into the CD business.

Another thing really is that printing books is well... pretty loving cheap to be honest. There's a reason why unsold books just have the cover ripped off and are then basically dumped.

That said Ive never really seen the profit margin of your average bookstore but the product itself is about as cheap as you can get to produce considering the cost attached and the authors mostly getting dick all from the sales.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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flosofl posted:

The physical printing is a tiny part of the cost of publishing a book. Transportation and logististic costs are not negligible.

Nor are the other ancillary costs that go into publishing a book, but many of those are incurred by ebooks as well (editing, marketing, artwork, etc...)


Humphreys posted:

A lot of that is also to do with the shipping costs involved to return whole books. The ripped covers are what the retailers return to the publisher/distributor/whoever and the book tossed. My friends and I as cheeky teenagers heard of this practice and would raid dumpsters behind the local Newsagency to get our hands on the sweet sweet softcore porno magazines.

Later in life I worked at a newspaper company and our retailers would send the mastheads of all unsold copies back to us for credit.

Yes thanks guys, I do understand all that but my point is that you have an inherent very cheap product in which the physical worth isnt even enough to bother transporting back if unsold. When youre talking about a product that is likely made in the realm of cents and sold at rrp over $20 regularly then you have a high margin of profit once all is said and done.

And as you said, Ebooks still suffer from otherwise the same overheads in editing and the like.

GreenNight posted:

I have boxes and boxes of old STTNG books from my youth that I'm too embarrassed to take to a used book store.

Ebay that poo poo. Theres plenty of nerds out there to collect those things and they generally fetch reasonable amounts per books.

Krispy Kareem posted:

When we last moved I got a couple of big boxes for my wife. One was a wardrobe box. Probably small in terms of wardrobe boxes but absolutely gravitationally altering massive for books. That was a fun experience.

Banana boxes from the supermarket are the best boxes for books. Strong as poo poo and carry handles as well.

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Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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GreenNight posted:

None of these Trek paperbacks are worth anything on eBay. There are shelves full of them down at the used book store. They are in boxes next to my Dragonlance books.

drat, first time nerds have failed in their collecting duties.

Ill give you 400 quatloos for the softcovers.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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Instant Sunrise posted:

A lot people in the video world used to use it back in the days of DV (something else that can go in this thread). When I was at film school, everybody had a Firewire hard drive to keep their projects on. The fact that it used a hardware controller made it less likely to drop frames during capture with the hardware of the time.

Of course, everything's tapeless now so it's no longer a problem if you have I/O hiccups when dumping an SD card to disk.

We used the poo poo out of DV tapes back at university (05 - 07) and I do not miss the transfer process one bit. Firewire made it somewhat smoother but I sometimes had to use USB when at home and needed the footage right there and then and that was a horrid proccess.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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Maxwell Lord posted:

I'm sure those lines are meant to make it easier for the neophyte programmer but to me they're having the opposite effect.

The problem is it makes you want to read down the page at the same time so you start reading almost diagonally. If you were typing it out letter by letter youde likely be fine though.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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Shifty Pony posted:

Has there been any mention in the thread about the time before the modern stapler?

Large staplers date back to the 1860s or so but for the most part they were heavy duty affairs made primarily for forming boxes or bookbinding. Using one on a few pages was a real waste of a time and a (rather pricey for what it was) staple. So in the early 1900s there emerged a flurry of devices which quickly mechanically joined small quantities of paper without a staple.

The Bump paper fastener was one of the first:



The mechanism is rather ingenious (click for giant):


Basically a first blade 11 would come down and cut a u-shaped flap in the papers. After that has stopped moving a second "needle" blade 14 would punch a slit in the paper near the base of the flap. As the plunger continued to go down spring 13 would slide off of support 16' and tuck the paper flap into a hole on the needle. Then when you released the plunger the spring would pull the blades up and as the needle returns to the original position it would pull the flap through the slit, forming a stitch to hold the paper in place.

Here's the result of a similar mechanism from the top:


and from the bottom:


A whole bunch of similar designs were made, all modified slightly to avoid each others' patents. The Office museum has a good list of a few of them but one design was kind of interesting because it used a completely different mechanism.

Behold the paper welder!



While the Bump Paper Fastener did that strange slit cutting the paper welder simply crimped the hell out of the paper using a pair of interlocking die and a beefy lever system to move them. My grandfather had one (and now my mother has it) and it is a shockingly strong bond. While you can rub it hard to flatten out the crimp and release it that way if you just pull the papers apart they most likely will rip. The resulting crimp looked like this:



They were actually relatively popular in the 60s, but it was downhill ever since then. The modern stapler became the go-to choice for permanent paper joining as the staples were cheap enough that the promised cost savings of a staple-less system weren't really worth the increased up-front cost due to the mechanisms involved.

This is an awesome post btw. Just wondering how many sheets of paper was the effective maximum for these kinds of devices? Staplers can pretty much handle dozens of sheets deepening on their size.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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WebDog posted:

Lest we forget the visual nightmares of WindowBlinds skins. Which I admit was hot poo poo back in 2000 when you could "turn" Windows 98 into a look-a-like XP or Mac OS.

This kind of sums up what you generally got at the time, either nice-ish knockoffs of existing OS's - or something that wasn't the standard grey boxes of Win98.

Or stuff like this which covers a good 90% of all the popular skins designed by a kid armed with Photoshop after seeing The Matrix one too many times, then branded with "do not stealz" tagz.

These are both from 2015.

Theres something about XP that just feels really comforting looking back now. Probably as that was the time I built my first PC that could actually run modern games.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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Gaz2k21 posted:

There were a few different types of VCD floating about I remember being able to download KVCD files which would burn onto one CD and would usually fit a full length single film in pretty good quality, i think me and my housemates wore out a few copies of Tony Jaa's film Tom Yum Goong in that format.
They were pretty convenient and would play on my cheap DVD Player that also played DIVX so when DVD burners became more prominent I would stuff 5-6 movies on a disk.

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We generally called these simply "DivX" rips going back 10+ years. Was genuingly surprising you could get 90% dvd quality fit onto a 70min cd. Goes to show how antiquated the DVD compression format really was.

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Oct 9, 2004

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Imagined posted:

I would just get a Sandisk Clip. They're cheap enough that if you lose one you won't cry, they have good capacity, and they work with Rockbox if you want to fiddle with that. My only complaint is that they're almost TOO tiny. Also a bonus is they don't attract the eye of thieves like Apple devices.

I agree in that they are too small. I got one to replace my Sony walkman mp3 player that was a fantastic player up until it broke entirely but the screen is really just too small to use in the car at all and rockbox isnt really UI friendly enough to be usable without looking at it.. which is something I dont want to do whilst driving.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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Humphreys posted:

Obsolete tech related. Anyone remember Bom Funk MCs?

Every one of their videos had something Sony related. I won't spew out a list of their songs or videos, but you will find MD players, original playstation controllers etc.

Did they have any more music videos then Freestyler?

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Oct 9, 2004

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Exit Strategy posted:

I went from being a Linux server admin to being a Windows 2012R2 admin, and the sheer lack of intelligible scripting and task automation in what's supposedly a server-grade OS is astounding. Making that migration actually made me quit IT forever.

In really, really specific obsolete tech I'd like to raise the prospect of the Gyrojet. My dad gave me his presentation-grade set of the MBA Gyrojet, a carbine and a pistol. Pictures aren't mine, of course, the set's in North Carolina still.





The Gyrojet was an experimental weapon using self-propelled ammunition. The advantages are obvious: Velocity doesn't drop after leaving the bore, you can reach longer distances much more easily with no real added weight, and rockets are loving awesome. The reasons it didn't "take off", as it were, are simple: If the rocket's spin-stabilized, it's because of angled nozzles in the rear. It doesn't spin fast enough to stabilize until it's well underway, meaning that your accuracy is about minute-of-city-block instead of minute-of-angle. Also, its possible to stop a Gyrojet round with your finger placed over the bore, as the velocity isn't there yet by the time it reaches the end of the pistol barrel.

It was definitely a pretty interesting piece of design the Gyrojet but ultimately was an attempt to answer a question that didn't exist. The major problem it and every other type of alternative weapon (say laser/energy and magnetic based etc..) is that bullets and guns are just a very simple, efficient and very cheap way of killing someone.

If you study how guns actually work you begin to see just how well engineered most are and exactly why there has basically been barely any true improvements to them for a hundred years. Seriously, a modern army rifle is basically all technology designed at the turn of last century.. just refined immensely.

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Oct 9, 2004

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mng posted:

The next big thing will probably be a thing like case-less ammunition. One more step towards the M4A1 pulse rifle :3:

Caseless has already been and gone.

Several issues with caseless.

1.Fragile ammunition. Your bullets REALLY need to be able to survive environmental exposure and be reliable and hard to damage. Caseless had the powder as a solid shell around the bullet which was prone to cracking and flaking and potential water damage.

2. Overly complex weapon. The actual functional guns they built were really very complex machines which themselves were more prone to malfunction and in turn no ejection port made it harder to clear jams and other issues. It becomes a problem when your ammo has cracked in half inside the chamber and your gun wont go into battery and becomes dangerous.

3. Cases have their own advantages. Firstly, cases tend to expand under firing which helps seal gases into the barrel and propel the bullet efficiently. Secondly and something people dont realize is that the case acts in itself as a "heatsink" that is then extracted from the weapon which helps cool down its operation. The H&K G11s had issues with overheating barrels because they are so sealed up the entire thing just becomes an oven.


This isnt to say that stuff like that couldn't be fixed with different chemical compounds and better ways to put it all together but that bit of brass and primer ultimately is just a very good way of doing a task.

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Oct 9, 2004

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Pham Nuwen posted:

I use one of these at work:



Before I switched, I'd have pain every day up both arms, from the hand all the way up through the shoulder. I don't get that anymore.

Some weird part of my brain really wants to try this.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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This is a good post.

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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

Self-checkouts are great if you only need one or two things and grandma isn't in front of you taking several millennia to ring up her produce, but recently there's been this bullshit thing going around social media that essentially says "The employee working at the self checks has to ring up your order at her private register if you go to her! Take advantage of this if all the other registers are full!" so now if there's a problem with my order at the self-checks I get to wait a half hour while she processes an entire cart full of poo poo for someone who thinks he or she is so fuckin' clever

I would enjoy seeing their faces when they get told no, go line up with everyone else.

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Oct 9, 2004

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sirbeefalot posted:

If you don't mind paying like $800 for some little bracket, sure.

That will break anyway due to being considerably weaker then a milled or forged part.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

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So the USA is basically the very worst of obsolete and failed technology?

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Oct 9, 2004

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WebDog posted:

Anything higher starts entering the uncanny valley of super crisp where our brains find it hard to parse because we are used to some level of motion blur naturally.

I would disagree with this. I think its all about comparison to what we are used to. When 60fps video started coming to Youtube it looked WAY off and not right to me but I just kind of got used to it and now it just seems smoother and nice now.


I do agree that 24fps is right about where the individual frames become smooth enough for natural motion and film was super expensive so dont wanna use too much if we can help it!

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Oct 9, 2004

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Collateral Damage posted:

Techmoan is great.

I subscribe to a couple of channels that are much more pleasant to listen to if you set the playback speed to 1.5x or even 2x. EEVblog is one of them. It might be a case of light ADD and even though I find the topic of a video interesting I often find myself wishing several youtubers would just Get To The Point instead of rambling on for 20 minutes. Playing the videos back faster makes them get to the point quicker without actually missing anything.

This is why the engineer guy is so great https://www.youtube.com/user/engineerguyvideo/videos
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Concise and to the point and really gives a decent fundamental explanation to the engineering behind common devices. Pro click.


Jerry Cotton posted:

I don't like his voice at all but my main problem is that he spends more time going on about how terrible some design (or implementation) is than saying anything remotely interesting or useful.

Yeah the water toxic tester thing linked above is a prime example. Didnt once explain what it was actually doing, just went on about how dangerous it was. Should have taken him 5 seconds to explain it was basically shooting rust into the water through electrolysis.

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Oct 9, 2004

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Light Gun Man posted:

The worst re-occuring scifi prop are these loving things



it's one thing when they're using it in fuckin Jack of all Trades, but Stargate? C'mon now, you can do better, you have SOME money.


Hellooooo Borg alcove thingy.

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Oct 9, 2004

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WickedHate posted:

Cyberpunk aesthetic is kind of an outdated future in it's own way, like a raygun gothic for the eighties. Johnny Mnemonic was all about like, being able to store entire kilobytes in your head. Micro VHS tapes. Cars with gull wing doors.

I dunno about what the original story said but from memory the movie had him "doubling" his internal memory from 60gigabytes up to 120 or thereabouts. It seems "silly" now of course but it at least is still well within the realm of a usable amount of storage even today.

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spog posted:

Really a pro-click when he goes into the quality of the mp3 files and encoding.

Plus Techmoan cross over!

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Oct 9, 2004

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BalloonFish posted:

Has The Secret Life of Machines come up in this thread?

As a TV show it is itself obsolete now. Even Channel 4 wouldn't commission three seasons of a bandy-legged balding guy in a tweed jacket who does his own animations for the show, accompanied by his friend with less screen personality than the average YouTuber, shambling around his Sussex farmhouse, making homemade light bulbs or turning their lathes into fax machines. But that's what it is - the social history and inner workings of common domestic and office machinery, packed with all-too-real practical demonstrations, and all made with a delightfully unpolished charm.

Because it was made in 1989 to 1993 even the 'cutting edge' is now obsolete, such as the last days of 'click and bang' telephone exchanges, the latest in 4MB RAM and 105MB hard drive PCs, or electronic fuel injection. The entire VCR episode is now worthy of being put in a museum.


Watching the lightbulb one, its amazing just how much of a game changer LED lighting has become over the last 5 years or so. We had (at least in Australia) the period where the downsized fluorescent lights became popular for almost a decade but still suffered from breakage and poor/shoddy build quality. Suddenly LED has become standard in a form that is just superior in every way to its predecessors. They are a magnitude more efficient, smaller to a huge degree if you so want it, available in every single possible colour just about and sometimes variable, and a longevity in the decades.

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ugh whatever jeez posted:

LED bulbs suck, still so much more expensive, often have weird color temps, get dimmer over time and break just as well, even expensive ones

I dunno, ive never really had these problems. Perhaps buy better electricity? :v:

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Oct 9, 2004

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Lurking Haro posted:

There were no powerful blue or ultraviolet LEDs until the mid-90s. White LEDs are just those with a bit of phosphor to generate the rest of the spectrum, but you couldn't make a flashlight with the earlier ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoTALRhAqWc

Interesting LGR video about blue LEDs.

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