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Senerio
Oct 19, 2009

Roëmænce is ælive!
I'm in on that second conglomerate too, provided it's renamed the (Real) American Hulkamaniacs, because all conglomerate teams should be named after Wrestling Teams in honor of the first intended conglomerate team, the New York Macho Men.

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kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

Koop's construction is kind of scary (a 44 year old Paige? A Viola who's 20 and pitched ~70 ERA+ that year? Yikes.) and I'm not sure I totally trust the '12 Nationals, seems like Mogul takes promising stars and kneecaps them for being young.

Cthulhu Dreams
Dec 11, 2010

If I pretend to be Cthulhu no one will know I'm a baseball robot.

Senerio posted:

I'm in on that second conglomerate too, provided it's renamed the (Real) American Hulkamaniacs, because all conglomerate teams should be named after Wrestling Teams in honor of the first intended conglomerate team, the New York Macho Men.

I'm in for this as well, provided the name changes to (Real) American Hulkamaniacs, American Hulkamaniacs or Hulkamaniacs.

Smasher Dynamo
Oct 16, 2008

Eternal Commissioner of the Super League. A new avatar. A new age, of the same old embittered Smasher that failed to escape the bonds of the SL, FM3, Johnny Hopp and Eri Yoshida "The Knuckle Princess". "The flames of Smasher's ire scorch the skies... Igniting St. Bellhorn's funeral pyre."
Super-League Registration is open!

Super-League VII will consist of at least 24 teams, with the ten strongest teams from Super-League VI guaranteed spots in the next season.

Team Construction

Okay, so you want to make a team. How do you do it? Well, in this post is a big, big list of historical teams from 1901 to 2011. I've graded them out on a five-point scale based on the quality of talent on each team. Each new owner will select ten points worth of teams, they'll form the pool of players you'll use to build a 28-man roster, ideally taking the best players from each of the teams to create some sort of Super-Team. You can take as many or as few teams as you wish, so long as the total points are ten or less.

Information on how to read the stats are included in the first post. Just know that knowing a lot about baseball is both more and less helpful than you might think. Go to #TheSuperLeague on IRC if you have any questions. Just remember, most of the guys there are going to be your competition, so don't be too trusting.

Returning Owners

Any owner relegated in an earlier Super-League not currently an owner and encouraged to rejoin the league and wreak their bloody revenge on those that once cast them down. They will need to make new teams, though.

New Owner Form

Fill out Now

This needs to be done to secure a spot in the Super-League

Teams Selected:

Pick ten points worth of teams (eleven points for people who have never owned a Super-League team before), spread out over as many teams as you'd like. Hell, you could have ten one-point teams if you really wanted.

Fill Out Soon

These items also need to be filled out, but not immediately, just as soon as you have some spare time

Team Name:

Team Logo (150x150 preferred):

Home City:

Home Stadium:
(Give me the dimensions and playing surface if it's a custom stadium)

DH Preference:

28-Man Roster:

25 in the majors, 3 in the minors

Lineups:

Pitching Rotation:

Strategy (Rate on a scale from -5 to +5)

Hit and Run:
Sacrifice Bunt:
Squeeze Play:
Trying for extra bases:
Stealing Bases:
Aggressively Tagging Up:
Pitch Outs (to prevent stolen bases):
Giving Intentional Walks:
Pitching Around Good Hitters:
Bringing the Infield In:
Guarding the Lines:
Making Cutoff Throws:
Bringing in Pinch Hitters:
Bringing in Pinch Runners:
Bringing in Defensive Replacements:
Starting Pitchers on Short Rest:
Letting pitchers pitch throw trouble:
Letting Pitchers rack up high pitch counts:

The List o' Teams

The Big, Big List of Available Teams


Five-Point Teams

1910 Philadelphia Athletics, 102-48, World Series Champs
1953 New York Yankees, 99-52, World Series Champs
1971 Oakland A's, 101-60, AL West Champs
1993 Atlanta Braves, 104-58, NL West Champs

Four-Point Teams

1919 Chicago White Sox, 88-52, AL Champs
1930 Chicago Cubs, 90-64, 2nd in NL
1933 Washington Senators, 99-53, AL Champs
1938 Chicago Cubs, 89-63, NL Champs
1954 Cleveland Indians, 111-43, AL Champs
1954 New York Giants, 97-57, World Series Champs
1965 Minnesota Twins, 102-60, AL Champs
1971 San Fransisco Giants, 90-72, NL West Champs
1981 Los Angeles Dodgers, 63-47, World Series Champs
1982 Milwaukee Brewers, 95-67, AL Champs
1984 Detroit Tigers, 104-58, World Series Champs
1986 Boston Red Sox, 95-66, AL Champs
1986 California Angels, 92-70, AL West Champs
1992 Toronto Blue Jays, 96-66, World Series Champs
1994 Montreal Expos, 74-40, NL East Champs
1995 New York Yankees, 79-65, AL East Champs
2002 Oakland Athletics, 103-59, AL West Champs As seen in Moneyball!
2009 St. Louis Cardinals, 91-71, NL Central Champs!
2010 Tampa Bay Rays, 96-66, AL East Champs
2011 Milwaukee Brewers, 96-66, NL Central Champs!
2011 Texas Rangers, 96-66, AL Champs

Three-Point Teams

1902 Cleveland Bronchos, 69-67, 5th in AL
1910 Detroit Tigers, 86-68, 3rd in AL
1917 Cleveland Indians, 88-66, 3rd in AL
1929 Pittsburgh Pirates, 88-65, 2nd in NL
1943 St. Louis Cardinals, 105-49, NL Champs
1948 Boston Braves, 91-62, NL Champs
1950 Philadelphia Phillies, 91-63, NL Champs
1960 Milwaukee Braves, 88-66, 2nd in NL
1967 Boston Red Sox, 92-70, AL Champs
1975 New York Yankees, 83-77, 3rd in AL East
1978 Baltimore Orioles, 90-71, 4th in AL East
1978 California Angels, 87-75, 2nd in AL West
1985 Cincinnati Reds, 89-72, 2nd in NL West
1985 St. Louis Cardinals, 101-61, NL Champs
1993 Texas Rangers, 86-76, 2nd in AL West
2003 Seattle Mariners, 93-69, 2nd in AL West
2006 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, 89-73, 2nd in AL West
2008 Chicago White Sox, 89-74, AL Central Champs
2011 San Francisco Giants, 86-76, 2nd in NL West
2012 Washington Nationals, 63-43, 1st in NL East

Two-Point Teams

1911 Boston Red Sox, 78-75, 4th in AL
1917 Washington Senators, 74-79, 5th in AL
1918 New York Yankees, 60-63, 4th in AL
1918 St. Louis Cardinals, 51-78, 8th in NL
1922 St. Louis Browns, 93-61, 2nd in AL
1928 Boston Red Sox, 57-96, 8th in AL
1931 Detroit Tigers, 61-93, 7th in AL
1940 Pittsburgh Pirates, 78-76, 4th in NL
1941 Cincinnati Reds, 88-66, 3rd in NL
1948 Detroit Tigers, 78-76, 5th in AL
1964 Los Angeles Angels, 82-80, 5th in AL
1970 Atlanta Braves, 76-86, 5th in NL West
1970 Houston Astros, 79-83, 4th in NL West
1978 Pittsburgh Pirates, 88-73, 2nd in NL East
1979 St. Louis Cardinals, 86-76, 3rd in NL East
1979 Texas Rangers, 83-79, 3rd in AL West
1986 Cleveland Indians, 84-78, 5th in AL East
1986 Texas Rangers, 87-75, 2nd in AL West
1990 San Fransisco Giants, 85-77, 3rd in NL West
1992 New York Mets, 72-90, 5th in NL East
1992 St. Louis Cardinals, 83-79, 3rd in NL East
1995 Cincinnati Reds, 85-59, NL Central Champs
1996 Florida Marlins, 80-82, 3rd in NL East
2001 Chicago White Sox, 83-79, 3rd in AL Central
2003 Arizona Diamondbacks, 84-78, 3rd in NL West
2003 Montreal Expos, 83-79, 4th in NL East
2004 Florida Marlins, 83-79, 3rd in NL East
2005 New York Mets, 83-79, 3rd in NL East
2006 Toronto Blue Jays, 87-75, 3rd in AL East
2012 Pittsburgh Pirates, 60-45, 2nd in NL Central

One-Point Teams

1901 Boston Beaneaters, 69-69, 5th in NL
1902 Cincinnati Reds, 70-70, 4th in NL
1911 Brooklyn Dodgers, 64-86, 7th in NL
1919 Pittsburgh Pirates, 71-68, 4th in NL
1926 Philadelphia Phillies, 58-93, 8th in AL
1934 Chicago White Sox, 53-99, 8th in AL
1935 Philadelphia A's, 58-91, 8th in AL
1943 Chicago Cubs, 74-79, 5th in NL
1946 Washington Senators, 76-78, 4th in AL
1950 Chicago White Sox, 60-94, 6th in AL
1951 St. Louis Browns, 52-102, 8th in AL
1957 Kansas City A's, 59-94, 7th in AL
1958 Chicago Cubs 72-82, Finished 5th in NL
1966 Washington Senators, 71-88, 8th in AL
1969 Seattle Pilots 64-98, Finished 6th in AL West
1970 Chicago White Sox, 56-106, 6th in AL West
1970 San Diego Padres, 63-99, 6th in NL West
1979 Atlanta Braves, 66-94, 6th in NL West
1981 New York Mets, 41-62, 5th in NL East
1983 Minnesota Twins, 70-92, 5th in AL West
1985 Seattle Mariners, 74-88, 6th in AL West
1986 Atlanta Braves, 72-89, 6th in NL West
1986 Pittsburgh Pirates, 64-98, 6th in NL East
1989 Philadelphia Phillies, 67-95, 6th in NL East
1991 Baltimore Orioles, 67-95, 6th in AL East
1991 Houston Astros, 65-97, 6th in NL West
1993 Colorado Rockies 67-95, Finished 6th in NL West
1996 Oakland Athletics, 78-84, 3rd in AL West
1996 Pittsburgh Pirates, 73-89, 5th in NL Central
1997 Kansas City Royals, 67-94, 5th in AL Central
1997 Minnesota Twins, 68-94, 4th in AL Central
1999 Detroit Tigers, 69-92, 3rd in AL Central
1999 Tampa Bay Devil Rays, 69-93, 5th in AL East
2003 Colorado Rockies, 74-88, 4th in NL West
2007 Cincinnati Reds, 72-90, 5th in NL Central
2009 Kansas City Royals, 65-97, 4th in AL Central
2011 Arizona Diamondbacks, 94-68, 1st in NL West



Questions? PM Me, Post in the Thread or stop by the IRC Channel #TheSuperLeague.


Accepted Expansion Teams

1. Second City Saints (Senerio)
2. Ryleh [sic] Cultists (Cthulhu Dreams)
3. Archie Goodwins (Archie Goodwin)
4. Norfolk Splinter Cells (Ordius)
5. Leprechauns (Ionnracht)
6. Barrow Daydreamers (gingemidget)
7. Ted Sox(Mooseontheloose)
8. Antarctic Unspecifieds (blackmongoose)
9. Idaho Potatoes (Grinnblade)
10. Vice City Goose Eggs (Armitage)
11. Oxbridge Mathematicians (Revenant Thresholds)
12. Hakata Runnin' Ramen (Ned)
13. ??? Postmodernists (Notthatsambeckett)
14. Great Googly-Mooglies (The Goog)
15. Portland Bulldogs (Outrunner)
16. Poughkeepsie Superbas (nerokerubina)
17. Madison Mudholes (theacox)
18. Rated-R Superstars (Pungry/The Goog/TKBomber/Senerio/Cthulhu Dreams)
19. DOOP's Doopers (Doop)
20. Your team could be here!


Corporate Teams

These are groups of owners banding together to form teams. You can get in on it to, if you want, and there might be room for one more corporate team.

There is one group currently working to get organized are:


St. Paul Bearers
1. Bruzer
2. ForeverBWFC
3. CVE
4. kw0134
5. Koop
6. Viscount Slim

Smasher Dynamo fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Aug 6, 2012

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012
OK, compromise proposal for the St. Paul Bearers.

Let's try to make youth a happy surprise rather than something we rely on.

2009 Cardinals (4)
1967 Red Sox (3)
1934 White Sox (1)
1943 Cubs (1)
1991 Astros (1)

C 09 Yadi Molina
C 91 Craig Biggio
(Solid defense and OK hitting, or maybe Biggio is an ace in the hole)
1B 09 Albert Pujols
1B 43 Cavvy Cavaretta
1B 91 Jeff Bagwell
(Pujols is amazing, Cavvy is a solid backup, and 23 yo Bagwell is a lottery ticket 3 years from an MVP)
2B 43 Eddie Stanky
2B 67 Mike Andrews
(rookie Stanky isn't Eddie Collins, but he's got great patience - Andrews an OK backup)
SS 34 Luke Appling
SS 67 Rico Petrocelli
(Appling's in the Hall for good reason, Rico's a very good backup)
3B 43 Stan Hack
3B 09 David Freese
(Solid)
LF 67 Yaz
LF 09 Matt Holliday
(Need to find a way to play both at once)
CF 67 Reggie Smith
CF 91 Kenny Lofton
(Reggie's still young, but still great, Lofton's really young but acceptable as 4th OF)
RF 34 Al Simmons
RF 43 Bill Nicholson
(Al's in the Hall of Fame, Nicholson was an MVP candidate in the early 40s)


One thing we could do to maximize offense without going DH is Pujols at 3B, Yaz at 1B, and Holliday in left.

SP 34 Ted Lyons
SP 09 Chris Carpenter
SP 09 Adam Wainwright
SP 43 Claude Passeau
SP 43 Paul Derringer
SP 67 Lee Stange
SP 91 Curt Schilling (if he rolls well)

Bullpen:
09 Ryan Franklin
09 Trever Miller
09 Jason Motte
67 Sparky Lyle
67 Dan Osinski
43 Lon Warneke

Not 25, but there's some decisions to be made. Lineup is very good and has excellent keystones, rotation is a mixture, but mostly guys who had long careers and can be relied upon to not be Stephen Strasburg (78/95) sorts.

Reformed Pissboy
Nov 6, 2003

edit: actually nevermind

The Goog
Aug 6, 2007

It's a Goog Day, yes it is!
The Pungry, Pungry Pippoes have changed our name, and we have a roster! In honor of one of the men to to torture Paul Bearer, we are now the Rated R Superstars!

Teams used: 2009 Cardinals, 1919 White Sox, 2006 Blue Jays

C 2009 Yadier Molina
1B 2009 Albert Pujols
2B 1919 Eddie Collins
SS 2009 Brendan Ryan
3B 2006 Troy Glaus
RF 1919 Shoeless Joe Jackson
CF 2006 Vernon Wells
LF 2009 Matt Holliday
DH 2009 Troy Glaus

BN 2009 Skip Schumaker
BN 2009 Colby Rasmus
BN 1919 Happy Felsch
BN 2006 Bengie Molina
BN 2006 Aaron Hill
BN 2006 Gregg Zaun?
BN 2009 David Freese
BN 2006 Alex Rios

SP 1919 Eddie Cicotte
SP 2009 Chris Carpenter
SP 2009 Adam Wainwright
SP 1919 Lefty Williams
SP 2006 Roy Halladay
SP 2006 AJ Burnett

RP 2009 Ryan Franklin
RP 2006 BJ Ryan
RP 2009 Trever Miller
RP 2006 Scott Downs
RP 2006 Justin Speier

Edit: This roster is approved by The Goog, 20% owner

The Goog fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Aug 6, 2012

Senerio
Oct 19, 2009

Roëmænce is ælive!
Rated R Superstars Roster Approved by Senerio 20% owner

Cthulhu Dreams
Dec 11, 2010

If I pretend to be Cthulhu no one will know I'm a baseball robot.

Senerio posted:

Rated R Sports Stars Roster Approved by Senerio 20% owner

Approved

TKBomber7285
Feb 20, 2011
Rater R Sports Stars Roster Approved by TKBomber 20% owner

Smasher Dynamo
Oct 16, 2008

Eternal Commissioner of the Super League. A new avatar. A new age, of the same old embittered Smasher that failed to escape the bonds of the SL, FM3, Johnny Hopp and Eri Yoshida "The Knuckle Princess". "The flames of Smasher's ire scorch the skies... Igniting St. Bellhorn's funeral pyre."
Okay, that's majority approval, so the Rated-R Superstars get the disputed 2009 Cardinals.

Senerio
Oct 19, 2009

Roëmænce is ælive!
Pungry, if you have PMs, PM me and I'll get you into the team planning Doc.
Alternatively get into the IRC and I'll get you there.

Anyway, our information:

Team Name: Rated R Superstars
Team Logo (150x150 preferred):
Home City: Toronto
Home Stadium: The Spear - Once home to a Canadian football team, The Spear became vacant after the team suddenly moved to Albuquerque

Custom Dimensions 310/330/400/420/360

[Other information approved by the team in the IRC and edited into this post to avoid thread spam]
Convertible Dome, Natural Turf, Good Quality Infield, High Grass, Large Foul Ground, Good Visibility

DH Preference: MUST HAVE!!!


Strategy (Rate on a scale from -5 to +5)

Hit and Run: -2
Sacrifice Bunt: -5
Squeeze Play: +1
Trying for extra bases: +1
Stealing Bases: -5
Aggressively Tagging Up: +2
Pitch Outs (to prevent stolen bases): -2
Giving Intentional Walks: -4
Pitching Around Good Hitters: -3
Bringing the Infield In: -3
Guarding the Lines: -1
Making Cutoff Throws: -1
Bringing in Pinch Hitters: +2
Bringing in Pinch Runners: -1
Bringing in Defensive Replacements: -2
Starting Pitchers on Short Rest: -3
Letting pitchers pitch throw trouble: +1
Letting Pitchers rack up high pitch counts: +2

as 20% owner and lover of crappy puns, I approve of this information.

Senerio fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Aug 6, 2012

TKBomber7285
Feb 20, 2011

Senerio posted:

Pungry, if you have PMs, PM me and I'll get you into the team planning Doc.
Alternatively get into the IRC and I'll get you there.

Anyway, our information:

Team Name: Rated R Superstars
Team Logo (150x150 preferred):
Home City: Toronto
Home Stadium: The Spear - Once home to a Canadian football team, The Spear became vacant after the team suddenly moved to Albuquerque

Custom Dimensions posted in a second
DH Preference: MUST HAVE!!!
Strategy (Rate on a scale from -5 to +5)

Hit and Run: -2
Sacrifice Bunt: -5
Squeeze Play: +1
Trying for extra bases: +1
Stealing Bases: -5
Aggressively Tagging Up: +2
Pitch Outs (to prevent stolen bases): -2
Giving Intentional Walks: -4
Pitching Around Good Hitters: -3
Bringing the Infield In: -3
Guarding the Lines: -1
Making Cutoff Throws: -1
Bringing in Pinch Hitters: +2
Bringing in Pinch Runners: -1
Bringing in Defensive Replacements: -2
Starting Pitchers on Short Rest: -3
Letting pitchers pitch throw trouble: +1
Letting Pitchers rack up high pitch counts: +2

as 20% owner and lover of crappy puns, I approve of this information.

I approve all of the above and the park dimensions as well.

The Goog
Aug 6, 2007

It's a Goog Day, yes it is!
The information is approved by The Goog, 20% owner.

Smasher Dynamo
Oct 16, 2008

Eternal Commissioner of the Super League. A new avatar. A new age, of the same old embittered Smasher that failed to escape the bonds of the SL, FM3, Johnny Hopp and Eri Yoshida "The Knuckle Princess". "The flames of Smasher's ire scorch the skies... Igniting St. Bellhorn's funeral pyre."
That's 60%, the dimensions and sliders are ratified.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




I'm going to try this out as a new, expansion owner

Teams: 1950 Philadelphia Phillies, 2002 Moneyball A's, 1967 Boston Red Sox, 1926 Philadelphia Phillies

I'll get around to the rest tomorrow

C. Everett Koop
Aug 18, 2008

CVE posted:

Get into the IRC if it's possible. Most owners are there currently and we can talk about it.

If there's gonna be a lot of IRC work for the team I'll back out. I don't have the time to do much other than check the threads, and I've never been a big IRC fan to begin with. Don't let me hold y'all back.

Smasher Dynamo
Oct 16, 2008

Eternal Commissioner of the Super League. A new avatar. A new age, of the same old embittered Smasher that failed to escape the bonds of the SL, FM3, Johnny Hopp and Eri Yoshida "The Knuckle Princess". "The flames of Smasher's ire scorch the skies... Igniting St. Bellhorn's funeral pyre."

C. Everett Koop posted:

If there's gonna be a lot of IRC work for the team I'll back out. I don't have the time to do much other than check the threads, and I've never been a big IRC fan to begin with. Don't let me hold y'all back.

I would imagine the only time it would be a problem is during the initial team construction.

Ordius
Aug 4, 2012
Can I trade players from my team with the established teams now, Smasher?

Smasher Dynamo
Oct 16, 2008

Eternal Commissioner of the Super League. A new avatar. A new age, of the same old embittered Smasher that failed to escape the bonds of the SL, FM3, Johnny Hopp and Eri Yoshida "The Knuckle Princess". "The flames of Smasher's ire scorch the skies... Igniting St. Bellhorn's funeral pyre."

Ordius posted:

Can I trade players from my team with the established teams now, Smasher?

Yes. But be careful.

cbx
Dec 4, 2007

Smasher Dynamo's assistant of the Super-League.
Ordius: I want Ty Cobb. If you're interested in trading, what are you looking for? I have some great starting pitching (I don't think Oil Can Boyd is gonna pan out for you and I don't know what your backup plan is...), and whatever else might tickle your fancy. Let me know.

Pungry
Feb 26, 2011

JUST PICK ONE. ANY ONE.
I'll finally figure out IRC tomorrow. I also approve those ideas, even if it doesn't matter anymore.

mrnoun
Jul 24, 2007
Ted Sox! The Luna Landers would like to invest in an Edward-heavy portfolio for the upcoming quarter. You have three Edwards you currently aren't using from your feeders:

1917 Big Ed Klepfer
1946 Eddie Yost
1948 Eddie Stanky


You look like you could use some help at catcher, which thankfully, is something I can provide.

The Landers offer:
1955 Smoky Burgess

The Ted Sox offer:
1917 Big Ed Klepfer
1946 Eddie Yost
1948 Eddie Stanky



Ryleh Cultists!

While an Edward-heavy portfolio is a good indicator for growth in the coming quarter, it's always necessary to diversify, and my financial advisor has recommended hummingbirds from Arkansas as a good low-risk investment. I am also interested in acquiring a Rajah, as I missed out so narrowly in my recent Super Challenge bid for one. You seem to need help at 3rd base, so:

The Landers offer:
2004 Nomar Garciaparra
1948 Nellie Fox

The Cultists offer:
1930 Rogers Hornsby
1930 Lon Warneke
2003 Mark Grace


Madison Mudholes!

Johnny Hopp is a Super League legend! Sure, he's gone too commercial these days, and that rap album he released was a travesty, but he *needs* to be in the Super League! If you won't find a spot for him, I will! Also, I like Charles Johnson, and you look like you maybe need a shortstop.

The Landers offer:
1970 Jim Fregosi

The Mudholes offer:
1943 Johnny Hopp
1996 Charles Johnson

Cthulhu Dreams
Dec 11, 2010

If I pretend to be Cthulhu no one will know I'm a baseball robot.
:frogsiren: Trade Bait

EXPANSION GMs - WILD DISCOUNTS TO BE HAD: Look, I need relief pitching and have all sorts of crazy crap that isn't even making my 28 man roster. You can exploit the fact I'm Australian and thus know nothing about baseball to offer me dumb stuff. Lou Warnke is a 5 time all star pitcher and isn't even making my starting roster as it stands. I need your relief pitching!

This is an opportunity that is closing for both of us, we can trade stuff freely off our feeder team without consuming our 28 man spots, so I can do 2:1 deals or whatever.

Any GM: I am prepared to sell Tris Speaker. I would want a super star player in any position in return. Bill James reckons he's the 11th best player of all time, so thing something similar.

If Tris Speaker isn't your thing, I have Hall of Fame Centre Fielder Hack Wilson for sale, and more importantly I have Hall of Famer Hack Wilson in the best year he had in a storied career. He posted .356/.454/.723 with an OPS of 1.117(!). Okay he's not babe ruth, but in the same year babe posted 1.225 so we're pretty close.

mrnoun posted:


Ryleh Cultists!

The Landers offer:
2004 Nomar Garciaparra
1948 Nellie Fox

The Cultists offer:
1930 Rogers Hornsby
1930 Lon Warneke
2003 Mark Grace

Yeah look, couple of other people have tried to trade me for Hornsby and Foxx. Just to be clear, Hornsby and Foxx are untouchable unless it's for a similar top 10 all time heavy hitter. Like, say, DiMaggio. We could work out something involving Triss Speaker for DiMaggio.

However, not to shut things down completely, I'm still interested in support at 3B (though Pinky Higgins isn't totally rubbish), so what else have you got? I'm not interested in Nellie Fox, he's too young, my Backups there are in their prime.

Cthulhu Dreams fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Aug 6, 2012

tatankatonk
Nov 4, 2011

Pitching is the art of instilling fear.
What year is your Speaker?

Smasher Dynamo
Oct 16, 2008

Eternal Commissioner of the Super League. A new avatar. A new age, of the same old embittered Smasher that failed to escape the bonds of the SL, FM3, Johnny Hopp and Eri Yoshida "The Knuckle Princess". "The flames of Smasher's ire scorch the skies... Igniting St. Bellhorn's funeral pyre."
Okay, time for a real content post.

Firstly, we have 19 spots, I really don't want to go much above that, so I'm going to cut off new teams tomorrow if the St. Paul Bearers get their team done, which segues nicely to thing number two...

St. Paul Bearers

Get your team done. Soon.


Expansion Cup Divisional Alignments

20 or so teams means two leagues, four divisions:

Taggart League (No DH)

Skyhawks Memorial Division
Archie Goodwins (Archie Goodwin)
Barrow Daydreams (gingemidget)
Hakata Runnin' Ramen (thened)
Poughkeepsie Superbas (nerokerubina)
Ted Sox (Moose)

Imaginos Division
Antarctic Unspecifieds (blackmongoose)
Doop's Team (Doop)
Postmodernists (NotthatSamBeckett)
Second City Saints (Senerio)
St. Paul Bearers? (Koop/Bruzer/CVE/BWFC/Viscount Slim/kw0134)


McQueen League (DH)

Doppels Memorial Division
Madison Mudholes (theacox)
Norfolk Splinter Cells (Ordius)
Portland Bulldogs (Outrunner)
Rated R Superstars (The Goog/Senerio/TKBomber/Cthulhu Dreams/Pungry)
Ryleh Cultists (Cthulhu Dreams)

Johnny Hopp Division
Great Googly-Mooglies (The Goog)
Idaho Potatoes (grinnblade)
Leprechauns (Ionnracht)
Oxbridge Mathematicians (Revenant Threshold)
Vice City Goose Eggs (Armitage)


And now, I'll take a look at the rosters that people have already posted. I don't feel like digging through all of your feeder teams at the moment, so I'll just hit the broad strokes.

Senerio

Well, at least your team can hit. Sort of. Willie Randolph is very old in 1992, and I'm not sure I'd give him the starting gig. And, for as much as we all love Bellhorn, he's not really a starting-caliber player either. Vidro is pretty terrible at defense too, so this is probably something you'll need to upgrade in the dispersal draft.

As for your pitching? It's a real loving problem. Pedro Martinez was old in '05, and he was never very vulnerable, and he's by far the least of your problems. Spahn was 39 in '60, and while he was still pretty good, he's still 39 years old. Lew Burdette is a guy who never struck anyone out, but was so skilled that he was fantastic for a few years, but that's a trick that probably not going to translate into the Super-League. Cone is always dicey, and Pizarro, well, unless Pizarro is possessed by the spirit of his namesake conquistador, and goes on some sort of quest to conquer the Super-League and plunder its riches, I don't see it ending well.


Cthulhu Dreams

Another team that can hit. I don't love your third base situation, but that seems like something you can work around. I also don't like your outfield, but that's mainly because my preference for outfielders is for power and patience over contact hitters. You do have a thin bench, but that's not really a huge concern.

Your pitching staff is good, and would be even better if you rearranged it a bit more sanely ala:

SP1 Randy Johnson
SP2 Curt Schilling
SP3 Joe Wood
SP4 Zack Greinke
SP5 Eddie Cicotte

At the very least, it would make me feel better. As far as old Johnson goes, the Mogul engine has been mixed on how good he'll be. Then again, the Bobbleheads used to put up with '06 Johnson, who was even older, and they survived, so '03 Big Unit shouldn't be too bad.


Ionnracht

I've got questions about your lineup. Menke at SS seems like it might be a problem, because I don't think he's going to hit in the Super-League. I also don't really like Kevin Mitchell, as he had two great years, and a ton of mediocre ones. I'm not sure that I wouldn't start Jimmy Wynn over Mitchell. Clark and Williams might be better than Rosen and Cepeda, the latter pair being pretty worn down, so monitor that situation.

Your pitching is as good as it's reasonably going to get, as long as you accept that Feller can really only be a #5 starter by that point in his career. I do like your bullpen, though.


gingemidget

Okay, this lineup is going to need some work. First, Baker starts over Pendleton, because Pendleton doesn't have good power, or patience, and was a mediocre contact hitter by '93. You could also try Buddy Bell from the Rangers. I was about to make my next point when I noticed that you hadn't taken Frank Thomas. Take Frank Thomas.

Justice is probably better than Klesko. Take Javy Lopez from the '93 Braves as your backup catcher, and be ready to put him in full-time if/when Sundberg's lack of hitting gets to be too much for you. I think I'd rather have Al Oliver over Otis Nixon in center, too.

As for your pitching, consider Mark Wohlers and Mike Stanton from the Braves.



blackmongoose

I love your optimism about Hornsby playing short. Also, if you're taking defensively-suspect second basemen, I'd consider Knoblauch over Boots Grantham. I think Waner can handle center.

As for your pitching, Pascual probably deserves to be on their somewhere. Also, prepare for Radke to get rocked.


Mooseford

Julio Franco wasn't that old in 1993, in fact, he could play 2B, and probably should start over Priddy, who was good defensively, but isn't much of a bat. Or you could use Eddie Stanky from the Braves. Either way, not Priddy.

Now, let's have a history lesson, you probably remember the first bit of this, but the rest should be new to you:

Spahn and Sain and two days of rain
Because Ryan was 46 loving years old in 1993
and had an ERA close to loving 5,
and unless we score runs for beating up Robin Ventura
He should be in the bullpen
And Sain should start for us


Outrunner

I actually like your team. But I'd consider platooning HoJo and Brosius. Or not using Brosius at all. I think I like Gehringer more than Whitaker too. See if one of them can play third.

Vander Meer might be worth a try at some point, as might Tommy Bridges.


Nerokerubina

You'll have to choose between Cruz and Monday to start in an outfield spot, and that's a lose/lose scenario, but I'm not sure there's anything you can do about. Also, in Aparicio and Campaneris you've got two great fielders and zero even decent hitters. Then again, Marauder won a championship starting Campy, so it's not fatal.


Revenant Threshold

If you're starting Elbie Fletcher at first, you're doing something wrong. Now, let's unscramble this. Bubba Trammell has no business in the Super-League, and his spot should be filled with young Jermaine Dye or young Johnny Damon. And I'd rather have Mike Sweeney than Jose Canseco, while we're at it. And, hey, since we're having fun, I'd rather have Jay Bell from the Royals play second, or Freddy Sanchez from the Giants. And, you know what, let's keep going at take Buster Posey from the Giants over Tex Erwin.

And, also maybe find places for Wilbur Cooper and Max Carey from the Pirates. And you'll want to take Josh Beckett from the Marlins instead of Pavano.


theacox

Your starting pitching sucks, but you already knew that probably. Carry on.

mrnoun
Jul 24, 2007

Cthulhu Dreams posted:

:frogsiren: Trade Bait

EXPANSION GMs - WILD DISCOUNTS TO BE HAD: Look, I need relief pitching and have all sorts of crazy crap that isn't even making my 28 man roster. You can exploit the fact I'm Australian and thus know nothing about baseball to offer me dumb stuff. Lou Warnke is a 5 time all star pitcher and isn't even making my starting roster as it stands. I need your relief pitching!

This is an opportunity that is closing for both of us, we can trade stuff freely off our feeder team without consuming our 28 man spots, so I can do 2:1 deals or whatever.

Any GM: I am prepared to sell Tris Speaker. I would want a super star player in any position in return. Bill James reckons he's the 11th best player of all time, so thing something similar.

If Tris Speaker isn't your thing, I have Hall of Fame Centre Fielder Hack Wilson for sale, and more importantly I have Hall of Famer Hack Wilson in the best year he had in a storied career. He posted .356/.454/.723 with an OPS of 1.117(!). Okay he's not babe ruth, but in the same year babe posted 1.225 so we're pretty close.


Yeah look, couple of other people have tried to trade me for Hornsby and Foxx. Just to be clear, Hornsby and Foxx are untouchable unless it's for a similar top 10 all time heavy hitter. Like, say, DiMaggio. We could work out something involving Triss Speaker for DiMaggio.

However, not to shut things down completely, I'm still interested in support at 3B (though Pinky Higgins isn't totally rubbish), so what else have you got? I'm not interested in Nellie Fox, he's too young, my Backups there are in their prime.

I just gave up a ton to get DiMaggio. Just how far are you willing to go for him? Tris Speaker was awesome in his day, but in a Super League situation, he doesn't hit a lot of home runs and he doesn't draw a lot of walks, both of which DiMaggio does. In addition, my park is built for right-handed hitters, and Speaker's a lefty. Still, I'd pull the trigger on a big enough offer.

As for 3rd base, my starter Nomar is tearing the cover off the ball and I don't really want to move him unless I'm not only getting a star in return, but a star at a position of need. Right now, that means 2nd base (Hornsby) or 1st base (Foxx), which you seem disinclined to do. I'm still willing to talk, but I don't know if we can work anything out at this point.

tatankatonk
Nov 4, 2011

Pitching is the art of instilling fear.
:siren: Trade Offer :siren:


Tigres de San Juan receive:
1935 Jimmie Foxx

Rlyeh Cultists receive:
1978 Mike Schmidt
2011 Jose Valverde

Forgive us, Mike. We will never forget you.

Smasher Dynamo
Oct 16, 2008

Eternal Commissioner of the Super League. A new avatar. A new age, of the same old embittered Smasher that failed to escape the bonds of the SL, FM3, Johnny Hopp and Eri Yoshida "The Knuckle Princess". "The flames of Smasher's ire scorch the skies... Igniting St. Bellhorn's funeral pyre."

tatankatonk posted:

:siren: Trade Offer :siren:


Tigres de San Juan receive:
1935 Jimmie Foxx

Rlyeh Cultists receive:
1978 Mike Schmidt
2011 Jose Valverde

Forgive us, Mike. We will never forget you.

Before you make this ground-breaking trade, tatankatonk, I'd like to remind you of five very crucial facts.

1. '35 Foxx can't play third.
2. The only other third baseman on your roster is Richie Hebner.
3. You really can't be sure that you're going to win that auction for Miguel Cabrera, and if you don't, then your third baseman, under this trade, will be Richie Hebner.
4. If your starting third baseman is Richie Hebner, then you are going to get relegated.
5. If you are relegated, your obit is going to be the equivalent of 10 pages of me telling you what a bad trade this was.

tatankatonk
Nov 4, 2011

Pitching is the art of instilling fear.

Smasher Dynamo posted:

Before you make this ground-breaking trade, tatankatonk, I'd like to remind you of five very crucial facts.

1. '35 Foxx can't play third.
2. The only other third baseman on your roster is Richie Hebner.
3. You really can't be sure that you're going to win that auction for Miguel Cabrera, and if you don't, then your third baseman, under this trade, will be Richie Hebner.
4. If your starting third baseman is Richie Hebner, then you are going to get relegated.
5. If you are relegated, your obit is going to be the equivalent of 10 pages of me telling you what a bad trade this was.

I know. I know. Things are being sorted out.

Cthulhu Dreams
Dec 11, 2010

If I pretend to be Cthulhu no one will know I'm a baseball robot.

tatankatonk posted:

:siren: Trade Offer :siren:


Tigres de San Juan receive:
1935 Jimmie Foxx

Rlyeh Cultists receive:
1978 Mike Schmidt
2011 Jose Valverde

Forgive us, Mike. We will never forget you.

Let's do this thing assuming the Commissar Commissioner doesn't bitchslap me for being an idiot.

Smasher Dynamo
Oct 16, 2008

Eternal Commissioner of the Super League. A new avatar. A new age, of the same old embittered Smasher that failed to escape the bonds of the SL, FM3, Johnny Hopp and Eri Yoshida "The Knuckle Princess". "The flames of Smasher's ire scorch the skies... Igniting St. Bellhorn's funeral pyre."

tatankatonk posted:

I know. I know. Things are being sorted out.

If you plan is to make the trade then win the auction, then it's a bad plan, because if I'm Marauder, or mrnoun, or Warm Sarsaparilla then I'm going to go out of my way to make you lose that bid so that your stuck with Hebner at third.

How about this, let's sleep on it, and if you're sure this is a good idea then, I'll let it go through.

Either way, the auction isn't going to close that soon, so there's time enough for that, I think.

Viscount Slim
Mar 9, 2012

Smasher Dynamo posted:

St. Paul Bearers

Get your team done. Soon.

Hey-ho, it's back to the well we go!

1971 Giants (4)
1979 Cardinals (2)
1986 Braves (1)
and from last try...
1934 White Sox (1)
1943 Cubs (1)
1991 Astros (1)

C 79 Ted Simmons
C 71 Dick Dietz
UT 91 Craig Biggio
(They can hit)
1B 71 Willie McCovey
1B 79 Keith Hernandez
1B 91 Jeff Bagwell
UT 43 Phil Cavaretta
(A Hall guy, a great defender, and a lottery ticket - and Cavvy, who's a solid pinch hitter or bench player)
2B 43 Eddie Stankey
(great patience)
SS 34 Luke Appling
(Hall of Fame shortstop)
3B 43 Stan Hack
(Solid)
LF 34 Al Simmons
(another Hall player - about to decline but still 133 career OPS+)
CF 71 Willie Mays
CF 86 Dale Murphy
(Willie is 40 but still Willie Mays - Murphy can handle it if Willie breaks down - power and Gold Gloves)
RF 43 Bill Nicholson
RF 71 Bobby Bonds
(probably a platoon - not stellar, but very capable)
4OF 79 Gary Hendrick
IF 79 Ken Oberkfell

AAA 91 Kenny Lofton (prospect)

Just missed:
COF 86 Ken Griffey Sr (is 36)
4OF 43 Andy Pafko (is a rookie)
IF 86 Ken Oberkfell (one copy of a utility infielder you hope doesn't have to start ever is enough)

SP 71 Juan Marichal
SP 71 Gaylord Perry
SP 34 Ted Lyons
(three Hall of Famers mid-career)
SP 86 Doyle Alexander
SP 43 Claude Passeau
(All-Stars with a pulse)

Bullpen:
71 Steve Hamilton
86 Bruce Sutter
86 Gene Garber
86 Paul Assenmacher
86 Duane Ward
43 Lon Warneke

AAA 43 Paul Derringer (spare starter)
AAA 91 Curt Schilling (prospect)

This is, in fact, 28 in the majors, plus three in the minors and the "just missed" guys, but I figure you other gentlemen can help!

We could use a better backup plan at SS/3B (Biggio is the backup plan at 2B), but we have some good trade chips. Thoughts?

Pete Ladd
Mar 9, 2012

Paul Kemp posted:

St. Louis - Cardinals manager Whitey Herzog announced today his intention to join the dread Commissar Dynamo's 'Super-League,' in the role of manager of the team assembled by noted failure NotThatSamBeckett.

Herzog assured the assembled journalist that "we'll be bringing ol' Whiteyball to those Reds!" When asked for clarification, Herzog proclaimed his excitement: "Be a drat pleasure to show those godless Commies how Americans play ball! Maybe civilize 'em a little bit, eh?"

Rosters for the franchise were available, but Herzog dismissed concerns that the assembled team was rather extremely 'old-timey,' and 'bereft of any semblance of power,' further stating "I don't give a good God-drat how they got into the Hall, they're in. Veterans Committee? What, are you opposed to men who were in the service? Shitfire!"

Herzog and his bench coach, Jim Leyland, are expect to fly to Russia this weekend. The Postmodernists expect to be active on the trade market.

When approached for comment, NotThatSamBeckett giggled in a slightly mad way.

Team Name: Polyarny Postmodernists

Team Logo:

Teams Selected:
1901 Boston Beaneaters
1902 Cleveland Bronchos
1902 Cincinnati Reds
1981 New York Mets
1985 St. Louis Cardinals
1986 Pittsburgh Pirates

Home City: Polyarny, Murmansk Oblast, Russian Federation

Home Stadium: The Sub Pen
(Open stadium, poor visibility, artificial turf, 395/418/440/424/405)

DH Preference: Yes!

28-Man Roster:

C Darrell Porter (85 Cardinals)
C Tony Peña (86 Pirates)
1B Jake Beckley (02 Reds)
1B Cesar Cedeño (85 Cardinals)
2B Nap LaJoie (02 Bronchos)
SS Ozzie Smith (85 Cardinals)
3B Bill Bradley (02 Bronchos)
UT Joe Kelley (02 Reds)
IF Tom Herr (85 Cardinals)
LF Vince "Vincent Van Go!" Coleman (85 Cardinals)
CF "Sliding" Billy Hamilton (01 Beaneaters)
CF Willie McGee (85 Cardinals)
RF Sam Crawford (02 Reds)
RF Elmer Flick (02 Bronchos)

AAA IF Heinie Peitz (02 Reds)
AAA OF Andy Van Slyke (85 Cardinals)

Pitchers:

SP Noodles Hahn (02 Reds)
SP Addie Joss (02 Bronchos)
SP Vic Willis (01 Beaneaters)
SP John Tudor (85 Cardinals)
SP Rick Reuschel (86 Pirates)

CL Jeff Reardon (81 Mets)
SU Dr. Mike Marshall (81 Mets)
SR Todd Worrell (85 Cardinals)
SR Jesse Orosco (81 Mets)
MR Bill Campbell (85 Cardinals)
LR Kid Nichols (01 Beaneaters)

AAA Earl Moore (02 Bronchos)

Lineups:

2B Nap LaJoie
CF Billy Hamilton
LF Sam Crawford
RF Elmer Flick
1B Jake Beckley
3B Joe Kelley
SS Ozzie Smith
DH Vince Coleman
C Darrell Porter

Strategy:

Hit and Run: +4
Sacrifice Bunt: +3
Squeeze Play: +3
Trying for extra bases: +4
Stealing Bases: +5
Aggressively Tagging Up: +3
Pitch Outs (to prevent stolen bases): -2
Giving Intentional Walks: -4
Pitching Around Good Hitters: -3
Bringing the Infield In: -2
Guarding the Lines: 0
Making Cutoff Throws: +2
Bringing in Pinch Hitters: -2
Bringing in Pinch Runners: +2
Bringing in Defensive Replacements: -1
Starting Pitchers on Short Rest: +2
Letting pitchers pitch throw trouble: +2
Letting Pitchers rack up high pitch counts: +3

Pete Ladd fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Aug 6, 2012

Pete Ladd
Mar 9, 2012
My feeders have some players that simply will not do!

'86 Barrold L. Bonds (is BARRY BONDS)
'85 Jack Clark (just 29 years old, career OPS+ 137)
'86 Bobby Bonilla (OPS+ 124 career, can slot into 3B)

And, less impressively:

'02 Charlie Hickman (can play second base, hit .361 in '02)
'81 Dave Kingman (lots of power)
'81 Mookie Wilson (decent centerfielder)
'86 John Smiley (rookie, but could start or be a bullpen arm)
'81 Dyar Miller (bullpen guy, 114 ERA+)

Willing to trade these and pretty much anyone else on my feeders for players like:

'19 Ray Schalk (unused, Rated R Superstars)
Rickey Henderson (Finger Lakes/Atlantis)
Tim Raines (Luna Landers)
Kenny Lofton (Comancheros)
Tony Womack (Ryleh Cultists)
perhaps even Keith Hernandez or Craig Biggio (?? St. Paul Bearers?)

Pete Ladd fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Aug 6, 2012

CVE
Jan 27, 2012

Viscount Slim posted:

Hey-ho, it's back to the well we go!

1971 Giants (4)
1979 Cardinals (2)
1986 Braves (1)
and from last try...
1934 White Sox (1)
1943 Cubs (1)
1991 Astros (1)

C 79 Ted Simmons
C 71 Dick Dietz
UT 91 Craig Biggio
(They can hit)
1B 71 Willie McCovey
1B 79 Keith Hernandez
1B 91 Jeff Bagwell
UT 43 Phil Cavaretta
(A Hall guy, a great defender, and a lottery ticket - and Cavvy, who's a solid pinch hitter or bench player)
2B 43 Eddie Stankey
(great patience)
SS 34 Luke Appling
(Hall of Fame shortstop)
3B 43 Stan Hack
(Solid)
LF 34 Al Simmons
(another Hall player - about to decline but still 133 career OPS+)
CF 71 Willie Mays
CF 86 Dale Murphy
(Willie is 40 but still Willie Mays - Murphy can handle it if Willie breaks down - power and Gold Gloves)
RF 43 Bill Nicholson
RF 71 Bobby Bonds
(probably a platoon - not stellar, but very capable)
4OF 79 Gary Hendrick
IF 79 Ken Oberkfell

AAA 91 Kenny Lofton (prospect)

Just missed:
COF 86 Ken Griffey Sr (is 36)
4OF 43 Andy Pafko (is a rookie)
IF 86 Ken Oberkfell (one copy of a utility infielder you hope doesn't have to start ever is enough)

SP 71 Juan Marichal
SP 71 Gaylord Perry
SP 34 Ted Lyons
(three Hall of Famers mid-career)
SP 86 Doyle Alexander
SP 43 Claude Passeau
(All-Stars with a pulse)

Bullpen:
71 Steve Hamilton
86 Bruce Sutter
86 Gene Garber
86 Paul Assenmacher
86 Duane Ward
43 Lon Warneke

AAA 43 Paul Derringer (spare starter)
AAA 91 Curt Schilling (prospect)

This is, in fact, 28 in the majors, plus three in the minors and the "just missed" guys, but I figure you other gentlemen can help!

We could use a better backup plan at SS/3B (Biggio is the backup plan at 2B), but we have some good trade chips. Thoughts?

I'd approve it for now, given that we need to close the deal, as otherwise we'll run out of feeders.

Cthulhu Dreams
Dec 11, 2010

If I pretend to be Cthulhu no one will know I'm a baseball robot.

NotThatSamBeckett posted:

'19 Ray Schalk (unused, Rated R Superstars)
Rickey Henderson (Finger Lakes/Atlantis)
Tim Raines (Luna Landers)
Kenny Lofton (Comancheros)
Tony Womack (Ryleh Cultists)
perhaps even Keith Hernandez or Craig Biggio (?? St. Paul Bearers?)

I'm confident I speak for the Rated R Superstars partnership when I say we can trade Schalk. However we haven't formed a trade position yet, so suggest some stuff.

Speaking for the Cultists, I can definately sell Tony Womack - or you might prefer Mike Aviles from the 2009 KCR - got any relievers? If you want a catcher, Miguel Olivo from the 2009 KCR might work as well. I will check my other feeders too.

Rated R Superstars Partnership I ported our roster into BM2013 and then pasted some screenies in the Google Doc. This may be useful.

Cthulhu Dreams fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Aug 6, 2012

C. Everett Koop
Aug 18, 2008

Viscount Slim posted:

Hey-ho, it's back to the well we go!

1971 Giants (4)
1979 Cardinals (2)
1986 Braves (1)
and from last try...
1934 White Sox (1)
1943 Cubs (1)
1991 Astros (1)

C 79 Ted Simmons
C 71 Dick Dietz
UT 91 Craig Biggio
(They can hit)
1B 71 Willie McCovey
1B 79 Keith Hernandez
1B 91 Jeff Bagwell
UT 43 Phil Cavaretta
(A Hall guy, a great defender, and a lottery ticket - and Cavvy, who's a solid pinch hitter or bench player)
2B 43 Eddie Stankey
(great patience)
SS 34 Luke Appling
(Hall of Fame shortstop)
3B 43 Stan Hack
(Solid)
LF 34 Al Simmons
(another Hall player - about to decline but still 133 career OPS+)
CF 71 Willie Mays
CF 86 Dale Murphy
(Willie is 40 but still Willie Mays - Murphy can handle it if Willie breaks down - power and Gold Gloves)
RF 43 Bill Nicholson
RF 71 Bobby Bonds
(probably a platoon - not stellar, but very capable)
4OF 79 Gary Hendrick
IF 79 Ken Oberkfell

AAA 91 Kenny Lofton (prospect)

Just missed:
COF 86 Ken Griffey Sr (is 36)
4OF 43 Andy Pafko (is a rookie)
IF 86 Ken Oberkfell (one copy of a utility infielder you hope doesn't have to start ever is enough)

SP 71 Juan Marichal
SP 71 Gaylord Perry
SP 34 Ted Lyons
(three Hall of Famers mid-career)
SP 86 Doyle Alexander
SP 43 Claude Passeau
(All-Stars with a pulse)

Bullpen:
71 Steve Hamilton
86 Bruce Sutter
86 Gene Garber
86 Paul Assenmacher
86 Duane Ward
43 Lon Warneke

AAA 43 Paul Derringer (spare starter)
AAA 91 Curt Schilling (prospect)

This is, in fact, 28 in the majors, plus three in the minors and the "just missed" guys, but I figure you other gentlemen can help!

We could use a better backup plan at SS/3B (Biggio is the backup plan at 2B), but we have some good trade chips. Thoughts?

I'm good with this.

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

I guess I'll approve so we can get this ball rolling finally.

CthuluDreams: What are you looking for in your Hack Wilson? I've got a Greg Maddux, Nomar Garciaparra and other fine pieces you can probably use looking at your roster and trade history.

kw0134 fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Aug 6, 2012

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CVE
Jan 27, 2012
4/6 owners have approved of Viscounts latest draft (Viscount, Koop, CVE, kw0134). As such the St. Paul Bearers are on their way to bring terror and wrestling puns to the league, hopefully without being buried in cement at the end of the season.

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