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LogicNinja
Jan 21, 2011

...the blur blurs blurringly across the blurred blur in a blur of blurring blurriness that blurred...


Solomonic posted:

What do you guys recommend for a volus engineer weapon? I've been using a Reegar but I get nervous about getting too close to the action while shield boost is still on cooldown.

Generically good weapons like the Hurricane, Talon, etc should do.

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VJeff
Jun 2, 2011

#HEKNOWS
#SCOOPS
#IGNOREMYPOSTS


I just run my Volus Adept with a Talon that has Scope and Piercing. Lets me do okay for myself.

subroc
Jun 5, 2004





Now I can go have a lie down.

Xenin
Nov 5, 2004


I am still unclear on how bonuses to power cooldowns stack. If I'm already using a weapon that gives me a 200% CD bonus on the weapon selection screen, do additional bonuses reduce it further?

I know things that affect weapon weight like the passive trees won't help, but what about the bonus from Biotic Orbs, or the power recharge bonus from Gear and Consumables? I roll with Omni-Capacitors V pretty much all the time and I'm wondering if I'm basically wasting the recharge bonus by always staying at 200%.

Schubalts
Nov 25, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life,
I think I've gone too far.


Yes, additional bonuses can reduce your cooldowns further.

dissin department
Apr 7, 2007

"I has music dysleskia."

So what's the hot N7 Slayer build these days? I know that biotic slash caught a nerf and charge got a buff, but that doesn't change much because charge was always used anyways. I went 6/6/0/6/6 skipping biotic slash and have basically just been charging+using phase disruptor for staggering/damage, with occasional meleeing. Seems to be working mostly alright.

Elotana
Dec 12, 2003

and i'm putting it all on the goddamn expense account

Let me tell you about a certain youtube video

CaptainCarrot
Jun 9, 2010


Perfectly Cromulent posted:

I don't get it either. They are basically Centurions that hit a little harder and don't throw smoke or grenades.

I have been killed in two punches by Marauders far more than by Centurions.

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.


Slippery Tilde

This isn't uncommon. Developers have an idea about the "right" way for the game to be played and get pissed when people break that idea into little pieces. When the devs are saying "no HUMAN ALIVE could ever beat Gold" and then some nut solos plat with a loving Drell Vanguard of all things you can figure they aren't too happy. The only legit complaint I could see is that it might cut down into people purchasing packs for real money because you can farm what you need, but that's fairly easy to work around. Make it so for real cash you can buy a custom pack that contains what you want (say ammo types, or gear, or whatever).

I got sick of W/G/Gold or Plat and would only play those games if I got dropped into them or plat if I needed money. If they made it so you could select multiple choices but exclude others then only people who wanted farms would get put in them and everyone's happy. They also don't seem to realize that most people are terrible and that a farm isn't guaranteed to be successful. I'd much rather run R/R/G and maybe Plat if I'm playing with people I know are good than sit behind the console in White, but terrible players are why we can't have nice things I guess.

No. 1 Apartheid Fan
Aug 20, 2005



subroc posted:



Now I can go have a lie down.

Wonder if anybody's assembled a list of the titles and banner graphics yet, I don't play enough to expect that I'll get all of them eventually but it'd be nice to work towards a cool one!

Cheap Vodka
Nov 4, 2008

COMPLETE. GLOBAL. CALIBRATION.

Zombies' Downfall posted:

Wonder if anybody's assembled a list of the titles and banner graphics yet, I don't play enough to expect that I'll get all of them eventually but it'd be nice to work towards a cool one!

If you sign in with the new N7 manifest app it displays all the titles and which challenges you need to unlock them.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


SubponticatePoster posted:

The only legit complaint I could see is that it might cut down into people purchasing packs for real money because you can farm what you need, but that's fairly easy to work around. Make it so for real cash you can buy a custom pack that contains what you want (say ammo types, or gear, or whatever).

Yeah, see, that would be a better way to get people to spend more Real Money than their current strategy of "dilute the Rare Pool with so much goddamn bullshit that no matter how lucky you are it's gonna take you All The Spacebux to get even most of the really good stuff". I'm really glad I maxed out all the original Rare poo poo before the Expansions started dropping, I can't imagine anyone picking the game up today and having any fun at all outside of Bronze.

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I got sick of W/G/Gold or Plat and would only play those games if I got dropped into them or plat if I needed money. If they made it so you could select multiple choices but exclude others then only people who wanted farms would get put in them and everyone's happy.

Also this, goddamn it's annoying that you can only pick "Random" or "this specific thing".

Also I'm dumb but how do you pick your Custom Banners anyway, not that I have any yet.

e: Oh hey, I'm already halfway to Biotic God and 1/3 to Mathemagician. Woo.

precision fucked around with this message at Oct 12, 2012 around 03:05

randombattle
Oct 16, 2008

This hand of mine shines and roars! It's bright cry tells me to grasp victory!



precision posted:

Also this, goddamn it's annoying that you can only pick "Random" or "this specific thing".

I really just wish random did not equal geth/white.

Androc
Dec 26, 2008



I swear to god, I am completely DONE with gold until they tone things back down a bit. Game after game after game of people wiping before finishing the second objective. The final straw was randoming with an n7 shadow into loving fire base white geth gold (have geth hunters always been able to see through stealth or is that new?) and watching the last surviving teammate get dry-humped against a wall by pyro and hunter perma-stagger with about three seconds left on the capture clock.

Just, jesus. And my mic still doesn't work.

Elotana
Dec 12, 2003

and i'm putting it all on the goddamn expense account

I seriously haven't noticed the game getting any harder and I don't know where all the pubbies are getting this from. Bombers aren't a problem if you don't camp and Dragoons are a joke. Collectors are tough but that's because they've been out for 48 hours.

It's most likely just a dip in the average player skill level from all the people checking out the DLC

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.


Slippery Tilde

Dragoons aren't a joke when you have a chain of 4 of them perma-stunlocking you through walls and solid objects Also they seemed to be moving at 2x normal speed.

e: anyone who is still running w/g/g should be punched in the crotch, it's too loving annoying now

SurreptitiousMuffin
Mar 21, 2010

I got it wrong. Look, I'm well aware I got it wrong and uh, I got it wrong.


Yeah dragoons totally depend on the class you're playing. Krogan/Batarian Soldier can completely destroy them without taking damage but if you're playing something like a QFE they're a lot trickier to deal with. Whether or not you have a quick and dirty stagger ability (carnage/ballistic blades for those two) is the big deciding factor.

FronzelNeekburm
Jun 1, 2001

STOP, MORTTIME


Outrageous Lumpwad

precision posted:

Also I'm dumb but how do you pick your Custom Banners anyway, not that I have any yet.
In the new N7 HQ page, at the bottom of the Challenges tab, there's a link to "Set your active Challenge Award." There doesn't seem to be any way to do it from inside the game, and it took a while for it to show up in-game for me. Might have to restart the game completely or wait up to half an hour or something.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
And now the whole nation - pulpit and all - will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open.

I knew tangentially that there were new enemies and stuff in the game but I didn't look to see what they were, so my thought process of "hmm looks like a Phoenix vanguard has joined the game, and he's surrounded, I'd better help him out" had pretty hilarious results when I started getting lashed and I noticed some enemy with yellow health that I was looking around for before I figured out what was happening.

Schenck v. U.S.
Sep 8, 2010


Just playing around with the Argus a little, it's great with the N7 Destroyer as well. The accuracy bonus from devastator mode means you can take the stability mod but you don't necessarily need the scope, and you can still put all three rounds in the head out to medium range or farther. The fire rate bonus also makes the gap between bursts fairly trivial, so it's effective at all ranges.

The New Black
Oct 1, 2006

Had it, lost it.

FronzelNeekburm posted:

In the new N7 HQ page, at the bottom of the Challenges tab, there's a link to "Set your active Challenge Award." There doesn't seem to be any way to do it from inside the game, and it took a while for it to show up in-game for me. Might have to restart the game completely or wait up to half an hour or something.

You can do it in game, on Xbox at least. If you go to the challenges page and navigate to the challenge in question (I guess you have to know which ones give banners), a little button saying Set Title ungreys out when you complete it.

I got Marksman, which I'm a little proud of because I haven't seen anyone else with a Weapon Mastery one yet.

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless


Elotana posted:

I seriously haven't noticed the game getting any harder and I don't know where all the pubbies are getting this from. Bombers aren't a problem if you don't camp and Dragoons are a joke. Collectors are tough but that's because they've been out for 48 hours.

It's most likely just a dip in the average player skill level from all the people checking out the DLC

There does seem to be a noticeable increase in the amount of things thrown at you, me and tyrellhor where doing some silver games and it just absurd, we had no business surviving that escort mission in that firebase with the cannons, I'm pretty sure at one point we had 2 banshees and 3 brutes bearing down on us.

Speaking of which, my origin is AchyHippo, please add me, can't do plat or gold with my current stuff but I can survive in silver and I'll jump through to revive you, really wanna unlock more poo poo, got a carnifex today, wondering what to do since I have an N7 eagle.

Wet Biscuit McGlee
Jul 13, 2006

girls hate me


If you're getting sick of stingy pubbies sitting on an arsenal of missiles and oceans of medigel, take a spin on bronze. You'll be amazed at how you never even see the red outlines of fallen players because they mash the medigel button as soon as they get in a bad spot. That first atlas on wave 6? Rocketed immediately. It reminds me of the naive days of launch when I did that same stuff myself.

Lagomorphic
Apr 21, 2008

AKA: Orthonormal

Xenin posted:

I am still unclear on how bonuses to power cooldowns stack. If I'm already using a weapon that gives me a 200% CD bonus on the weapon selection screen, do additional bonuses reduce it further?

I know things that affect weapon weight like the passive trees won't help, but what about the bonus from Biotic Orbs, or the power recharge bonus from Gear and Consumables? I roll with Omni-Capacitors V pretty much all the time and I'm wondering if I'm basically wasting the recharge bonus by always staying at 200%.

Here's how cooldowns work:

Each power has a base cooldown. For each power you take your base bonus from the weapon selection screen and add all bonuses from your ranks in that power, gear, and efficiency mods in the armor slot. You then divide that total by 100 (so -187% becomes -1.87) you then add 1 to that. If your total is less then zero you multiply it's absolute value by the base cooldown to determine your actual cooldown (on bronze; the game speeds up slightly at higher difficulties). If your total is greater then zero you divide the base cooldown by your total.

For example: Stasis has a base cooldown of 12 seconds so if a pubbie throws on a Black Widow II (Weight cool down bonus +33.33) and takes the recharge evo at 5 (+60% total) and uses a Power Efficieny Module III (+30%) then the actual cooldown on Stasis is 12/(1 + (33.33 + 60 +30)/100)) = 12 / (1 + 0.3333 + 0.6 + 0.3) = 12 / (1.23) = 5.37 seconds.

Supply pylon has a base cooldown of 30 seconds so a Demolisher with a Piranha X and a Typhoon 1 (Weight cooldown bonus -100%) and no bonuses other than the +25% at rank 2 will have a cooldown of 30 * (1 + |(-100 + 25)/100|) = 30 * (1 + |-0.75|) = 30 * (1.75) = 52.5 seconds.

Not that there are diminishing returns on cooldown bonuses whenever your total is positive. Here is a graph of the cooldown curve, the x-axis is your total bonus after (dividing by 100) and the y-axis is the number you would multiply the base by to get your actual cooldown.

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Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

He who fights shitposters should see to it that he himself does not become a shitposter. And if you gaze for long into an anidavatar, the anidavatar gazes also into you.

I guess I'm just lucky that I've only had good to great pub games since the most recent DLC. Just survived escorting the drone across the centre of Hazard Dagger, and I think about a dozen missiles were used in the process.

Had forgotten how much fun this game was.

FronzelNeekburm
Jun 1, 2001

STOP, MORTTIME


Outrageous Lumpwad

The New Black posted:

If you go to the challenges page and navigate to the challenge in question (I guess you have to know which ones give banners), a little button saying Set Title ungreys out when you complete it.
Aha, guess I missed that.

So, bugs:
Several times in the past few days, all sound has cut out except the ambient sound and the announcer. No gunshots, no enemies, no friendlies. Doesn't go away until the game is restarted.

Sometimes the N7 ticker in the lobby just starts making up any old random numbers. N7 900 one game, N7 500 the next!

Marquis de Pyro
Sep 25, 2006

Evil Prevails

KnoxZone posted:

So I had the most hilarious thing happen to me yesterday. Was playing the hazard reactor map. I saw an enemy in the reactor so I pushed the button. Little did I know that it was the last enemy of the wave. All my allies charged in to finish it off. Wave ended, they got incinerated, and the next wave started with just me alive. I felt a bit guilty, but I couldn't stop laughing for the next three waves.

This wasn't cool at all

Paracelsus
Apr 5, 2009


Ugh. Sometimes you get the feeling you're carrying the entire team, and then there are the times you get surprise-shanked at the beginning of wave 10 by a Phantom that runs right up and kills you, and the entire team falls apart within a minute.

Arcaeris
Mar 15, 2006
you feed the girls to other girls



Marquis de Pyro posted:

This wasn't cool at all

I've actually survived the reactor, as a VolusEng I guess I hit the shield boost at the right time because everyone else died? Or does it do a fixed amount of damage? I can't imagine the lovely shields on the Volus matched the Krogan who died, though.

zxqv8
Oct 21, 2010

Did somebody call about a Ravager problem?


Turian Ghost is like a Turian Sentinel that can move around and instantly regenerate his shields on a whim. Instead of warp to debuff, you just buff yourself so insanely that everything disintegrates.

I love it.

Felinoid
Mar 8, 2009

Marginally better than Shepard's dancing. 2/10


Marquis de Pyro posted:

This wasn't cool at all

It is pretty hot in there, yes. Honestly, who doesn't like a little teamkilling in co-op from time to time? I get wanting it to be rather infrequent; it'd be annoying otherwise. But loving with people when it doesn't matter (i.e. won't get you wiped)? Icing on the game's cake. It's not exactly hard to wade into the zero enemies remaining in the core after a fry and pick them back up again immediately afterward, either.

VJeff
Jun 2, 2011

#HEKNOWS
#SCOOPS
#IGNOREMYPOSTS


Hey can I get some tips for how to spec and play the Havoc Soldier? I've been trying to have some jetpack-y fun, but I kinda. Suck at it.

curried lamb of God
Aug 31, 2001

we are all Marwinners


Paracelsus posted:

Ugh. Sometimes you get the feeling you're carrying the entire team, and then there are the times you get surprise-shanked at the beginning of wave 10 by a Phantom that runs right up and kills you, and the entire team falls apart within a minute.

Earlier tonight, I was thrust into a FBW/G/G game in the third wave during an escort mission, with the entire team dead. Thanks to a couple of missiles, I was able to finish the wave and get some breathing room to pick off the rest of the enemies.

I managed to drag the team to round 9, having used all of my remaining missiles and medigels before getting flushed out of cover by a bomber, only to getting gangbanged by a couple of pyros and a prime. I could have actually made it out alive, too, but my ops pack didn't work despite mashing the button a good five or six times. Of course, none of the other pubbies had used any missiles. During any wave.

I consider myself to be a mediocre player (at best), so it's always a surprise when I end up carrying a team. Unfortunately, it's been happening too often since the new DLC.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.


surrender posted:

Even though FBW Geth is arguably tougher now, I still think it's a bit easier than Reapers or Collectors. You just have to stay more mobile due to the Bombers.


Androc posted:

I swear to god, I am completely DONE with gold until they tone things back down a bit. Game after game after game of people wiping before finishing the second objective. The final straw was randoming with an n7 shadow into loving fire base white geth gold (have geth hunters always been able to see through stealth or is that new?) and watching the last surviving teammate get dry-humped against a wall by pyro and hunter perma-stagger with about three seconds left on the capture clock.

Just, jesus. And my mic still doesn't work.

I dunno, I just did a Gold/Collectors/White game and while it was challenging, we got through pretty well. Team consisted of 2 Ghosts, a Volus engi, and a Turian Sentinel. The Volus died a bunch and after wave 5 we all kind of stopped reviving him, but once in a while he'd come through with a well-placed nuke.

I really like the changes they made to FBW - what used to be a ho-hum farming map is now a fun as poo poo combat map, and for me at least it replaces Glacier as a fun blow poo poo up map. Especially with a Ghost. There's lots of room to run and ton of choke points and corners you can exploit. I was pretty much abusing corners and blasting Scions and Praetorians with the Reegar, and whenever I got in way over my head (like pairs of Scions and Praetorians AND Captains surrounding me in the downstairs office, I could just pop a stim pack, jump 20 feet back, then run around and reset.

There were points where I was just tag teaming the Collectors with the other Ghost while everyone else had gotten sync killed - it was pretty awesome.

Radio Paranoia
Jun 27, 2010

It is now safe to turn off your computer.


Fallen Rib

Praetorians are my new worst enemy. I've had repeated situations where one takes me down close quarters (not a sync-kill) and then everybody else starts dying around me. One medigel later and I'm being stunlock trampled by the crab bastard almost immediately.

Something about not being able to get away from an enemy just rubs me the wrong way.

FronzelNeekburm
Jun 1, 2001

STOP, MORTTIME


Outrageous Lumpwad

Call me picky, but I think seekers probably shouldn't be allowed to last through death or swarm you before you're fully revived. Being any sort of biotic user blows when you spend an entire wave 10 hack with powers locked out.

TF CURES GENERATOR
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers

I am 76% of a biotic god and too drunka nd tired to play anymore

Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005

Mmmm, You smell like Lysol Wipes.


Goddamnit BioWare. So I'm well on my way to the combat mastery banner, and I get a bunch of grabs and enough headshots to clear the "Headshots 2" challenge and then the round drops to a message that the servers are down. So I hop online to see if it hosed things up. It shows the headshots at the right count, but none of the grabs, and best of all it didn't give me the challenge points.

The New Black
Oct 1, 2006

Had it, lost it.

VJeff posted:

Hey can I get some tips for how to spec and play the Havoc Soldier? I've been trying to have some jetpack-y fun, but I kinda. Suck at it.

Sure, I've played quite a bit of him. My favourite so far is a kind of split build of Melee and Assault Rifle. If you spec stim packs for maximum shield strength and melee damage, and you take Grenade Capacity V, you can keep them up almost all the time and so take all the melee damage bonuses from the Fitness tree while remaining really survivable. I skipped Cryo Blast to max Havoc strike damage and Passives.

For basic enemies on Gold a Havoc strike and a heavy melee should kill, though you might have to take a power amplifier to make sure Havoc breaks shields. Then I like to take a nice powerful assault rifle, like the Particle Rifle to kill bosses. I also like to take Incendiary Ammo so I can sometimes get Fire Explosions triggered by Havoc Strike.

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Weirdly I saw a farming group doing Reapers/Rio/Gold. Two Furies and a Volus Engi hiding in the box at the back with the ammo crates in. Banshees can't seem to get you there and everything else was getting taken down by Annihilation Fields while the Volus kept everyone's shields up. Worked very well.

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precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town


I unlocked new classes but gently caress THAT ENGINEERS FIRE EXPLOSIONS ALL DAY.

In the past week I've randomed into groups of people that know each other, and so far it's always one girl who has a name like "MissKittyMeow666" that will not shut up about how unfair the game is for picking on her, or alternately will not shut up with horrible sexual innuendo, and two guys who almost never talk and follow her around reviving her.

I am trying so hard not to call this out as a stereotype or whatever but Jesus, I eventually just mute them and turn up my music just enough to be audible so maybe they can learn what it feels like to have a stream of completely unhelpful noise coming through. It's not "hey the enemies are here" or "I'll do this", no, it's just "OMG THAT IS SUCH BULLSHIT WHAT KILLED ME YOU GUYYYYYYYS" and "COME DOWN HERE ME LIKE TO PLAY WITH YOU MR BRUTE" ugh gently caress you, gently caress you all.

And the only reason I mention this is because it's happened so often in the past week, and I've never encountered this before. It's probably really common and I just don't play enough multiplayer games to notice. But UGH.

To be fair there was a really annoying Krogan dude who wouldn't stop talking like he actually was a Krogan, but he wasn't funny about it, just dumb, like "You fight well for a weak Asari! HA HA HA HA HA!"

Sorry for the rant.

Actual game discussion

The Argus is amazing on Turians, especially Sentinel because the 3-burst does great damage and is about exactly as long as you need to wait between power uses. The Typhoon is batshit ridiculous on Destroyer, and mine is only level 1.

Demolisher is a blast.

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