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Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Metal Geir Skogul posted:

That's diner food. Not cafe food.

I think the point that is laboriously being headed towards is that a british cafe is like an american diner..

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Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Darchangel posted:

Shortly after that, the Taurus was almost literally nothing but ovals, right down to the god-damned radio.

I quite like a lot of Fords from a driving standpoint, but I will never be able to buy one from '95-'05 because of those awful loving blobby shaped, plasticky interiors. Dear Christ they are awful

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Between Cuba and now Australia, I'm always astonished at the variety of places those tiny Polish cars end up.

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

xzzy posted:

All I can see in that car is a Cavalier with some BMW guts.


mobby_6kl posted:

You mean Calibra

Sure, in the same way that a Supra is a Cougar with some Toyota guts

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

In Europe at least, the 8 series are very desirable cars. The 840s are actually more valuable as they bring the same performance without having the terrifying v12 maintenance :) Personally I think they are awesome, I'd love to have one.

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Early Citroen BXes had them too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F06YoENXsG8

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Crankit posted:

drat. Really thought that was a Citroen bx.

That's because it basically is - when Volvo passed on the design, Bertone sold it to Citroen:



I really wish they made a 2 door BX..

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

InitialDave posted:

While still technically 5 doors, the 4TC may be what you're after.

Yeah, maybe one day...


CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

Ahhhh yes the literal absolute worst of the Group B cars and just actually pretty loving bad all round - so bad quality, reliability and performance wise they mostly got bought back and scrapped.

ok

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Darchangel posted:

Did you know Lancia made a sedan with a Ferrari V8? I didn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3rHl4DH-fY

Interesting that they changed the crank from a flat-plane to a 90-degree, so it ends up sounding more like a traditional American V8, though it's still got the revs.' And that retractable wing is the business.
A+ would drive.

This car is in my dream garage. Sadly, as mentioned above, you can get a late-model turbo4 LX trim one that is slightly faster than the 8.32 and with the same Poltrona Frau interior, while being WAY, WAY cheaper to maintain as well as more reliable. I'm currently looking for a wagon version to daily.

The 8.32 sounds so, so good though.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=082gW-jC7fU

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Fo3 posted:

Does the late model turbo 4 trim have that retractable boot spoiler?
I dig the design in general and I love that spoiler.

It sadly does not, though I imagine you could probably retrofit one easily as it's integrated into the boot lid. Assuming you can find a spare 8.32 boot lid!


fridge corn posted:

How much does it cost to keep that spoiler working

It's fairly reliable according to a guy my dad knows who works at nintendo owns one

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Darchangel posted:

As I understand it, Russian stuff is pretty low-tech. It's built to survive, well, Russia, reliably, with little maintenance.
Much like older Jeeps and even US military vehicles, what you sacrifice for that is ultimate performance. They'll be slow, uncomfortable, and plain, but they'll be tough and hard to kill. Just ask any of the guys with a Lada Niva...

About 10 years ago I regularly rode on a narrow-gauge electric railway line in Poland. They had been using the same Soviet hulks they had been using since the 50s, with absurd mileages in the millions for a 40ish km line. These things were just giant slabs of steel with cheap plastic bucket seats. Onboard heating was accomplished with a thick wire inside a cage under the seats that channeled the entire current from the overhead power lines through it; there were two settings, "off" and "surface of the sun". Pretty effective in the winters though.

Not long after I started riding it, they were gifted some brand new German trains through some joint Swiss public transport project, which people were pretty pleased with. Until winter came, and suddenly the old trains were the only ones to be seen again. Turns out, a fancy modern train won't start in -25C. An ancient Soviet POS doesn't give a gently caress, though :v:



Check out the sweet lumbar support on those seats

Grakkus fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Oct 12, 2018

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Sagebrush posted:

:eng101: voltage

If the heating coil was connected directly to the catenary it would be seeing the full voltage of the system, but the current flow is set by the heater's resistance. Channeling the full current available in the entire train supply through the under-seat heating coil would be...uh...something to behold.

Fair enough, I don't know much about electrics :) All I know is that looking under the seat you'd see basically the internals of a massive incandescent bulb, glowing with heat..

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011


This is a stupidly rare car that actually got stolen a couple of months back and joyridden before being abandoned. Morons who stole it didn't notice the dashcam, though, which caught their faces :)

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Holy moley



https://drivetribe.com/p/citroen-sm-michelin-proto-300-hp-IdyernMUQMmBsfieeL6xjw?iid=CWVzyrjfS-C4qY3wpoWguA

e: them pipes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AzmipgEAcw

Grakkus fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Feb 6, 2019

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

That isn't intended as a lovely impression of a TIE fighter?

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Your best bet for a cheap V8 will be something European, a BMW 540/740, Mercedes S500/E55 AMG or something like that. I'm personally on the hunt for a Jaguar XJR for the same reasons as you (if you don't care about it being fast then X308 XJs are dirt cheap).

If you're looking for a classic American thing then there's a huge industry in Poland around importing them in all sorts of varying conditions. For example:
https://allegro.pl/kategoria/zabytkowe-amerykanskie-18984?order=p&bmatch=baseline-n-ann-1-2-0131
You can also get great quality bodywork done there for a fraction of the price in Scandinavia (or budget quality work for like €100/body panel), and there's a lot of places that will rebuild hard-to-find mechanical stuff for a good price, I had my W124s automatic variable-slip diff rebuilt by a guy for like €70 plus shipping and he did a great job. The only caveat is that it's a hard (and expensive) industry to navigate without local knowledge and the language. I'm fluent enough to pass as a local and am actually helping a couple of Norwegian buddies get their cars restored, so if you're curious shoot me a PM :)

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Craptacular posted:

Just two wings? It needs a third wing on the top, then painted red with Iron Crosses on the doors.

It was originally designed to have 3 wings! I think Wheeler Dealers had an episode where they added it back in.

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

I live in Europe and I've never heard anyone use kW for engine power other than Marty and Moog. :shrug:

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

My old cars get me from A to B with infinitely more style and character than modern ones. They might cost more in fuel but that seems like a good trade considering I'm buying it for probably 10% of what I'd pay for a new one, and that's not even factoring in the freedom of not being tied to a payment plan. I've got GPS on my phone, and I can fit an aftermarket radio if needed, why the hell would I need expensive, unreliable infotainment shite in my car? Certainly nothing else of real value has been added to cars other than gadgetry that allows you to pay less attention to driving them, and hey, I like driving my cars so I don't need that.

Liquid Communism posted:

They really don't. The only thing most modern cars have on older ones is gas mileage and crash safety.... and in service of that crash safety, everything outside of $housepayment midlife crisis mobiles looks the same and runs the same fuel-econonomy focused engines, questionable electronics, and transmissions that grenade a lot more regularly than they have any right to given the powerplants they're leashed to.

I don't think as many people would be grumpy if it wasn't for the terrible, wearying sameness of modern auto design.

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

I've been taken for a ride in a Morgan 3 wheeler, they're hilarious and terrifying and sure as poo poo don't need more than the 80 odd horsepower they come with. You don't drag them, you fart around British backroads for which they're already way too fast. That said, I wouldn't buy one, too expensive.

Also,


I like french cars, does that make me.... a ouiaboo?

no, it makes me mentally ill :(

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Yeah that's unwatchable with the mild headache i currently have, I feel like driving one would be migraine inducing..

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Fair point! Though watching 20 of them go past at once in a race is going to cause nosebleeds

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

I still think they should make a TIE fighter scream.

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011







2CV with a custom fibreglass body. I'd drive the hell out of it

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Hnnnnghh.

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Colostomy Bag posted:

Let's just say the W220 is generally considered one of the worst cars MB has ever made.

What? This is literally the opposite to anything I've heard about them. I know 3 people with w220s (2 S500s and a 320CDI) and they're all very happy with every aspect of the car. They're like the Crown Vics of Eastern Europe, common as muck because theyre pretty reliable, comfortable and have powerful engines. They just like to rust.

Also, all the cars with biodegradable harnesses are 20-25 years old at this point and 90% of them have had the wiring harnesses switched out for regular ones by this point.

Were US spec W220s built somewhere else or something? I really don't get it.

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011



Grakkus posted:

90% of them have had the wiring harnesses switched out for regular ones by this point

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Uhm, what? Are you having it fixed at a Mercedes dealer? The people I was referring to do their own maintenance on the cars at a local DIY garage. I imagine that helps with costs. Like yeah, it's not a civic, but you don't have to be Jeff Bezos to run these things. How much did they want for the windscreen fluid reservoir replacement? A good used one should be cheap and it's easily accessible from the engine bay..

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Nocheez posted:

Imagine calling a car that needed an entire new wiring harness "reliable."

I don't really get what's so hard to understand about this. The car, once upon a time, had a biodegradable wiring harness. It was a huge point of weakness and a large factor in why it was considered an unreliable car at that time. At some point, 5, 10, 15 years ago, that harness stopped working (unsurprisingly). A new one was fitted that was not biodegradable. It is now not a point of weakness in the car, therefore as long as you check that it has been replaced in a car you are buying, you can't reasonably consider it unreliable for having a biodegrading wiring harness.

madeintaipei posted:

Don't tell them that. I like to watch them suffer.

I think your little Citroëns are awesome car poo poo. Out of curiosity, how much does it take (money and time wise) to keep something like a BX on the road for a year over there? What I hear about big Benzes in the states is 10% of the original purchase price per year to keep them in good running condition.

Thanks! Not much, really - BXs are relatively simple and most of the work I do on them is maintenance debt from POs (or the decades they sat in back alleys). I've used my GTi the most (~7000 miles in the last year) and it's needed nothing until recently the ride started getting a little too firm which is a sign the nitrogen has leaked out of the spheres; regassing spheres costs about 10 dollars per sphere at a specialist and with some practice takes about half an hour to remove them from the car and about 30 seconds to put them back on again (they screw on like oil filters).

I've done some more involved repairs/upgrades to some of my other ones like replacing and relocating the hydraulic return lines from behind the engine to the upper firewall for accessibility, but again this stuff took me maybe 3 hours total and about 15 dollars in fuel hoses and T junctions. The good thing about Citroens is that the expensive or hard to replace parts tend to be the most reliable.

That said, the big cars like phase-1 XMs or CXs have electrical issues related mainly to bad grounds, that can be frustrating and time consuming to track down. Nothing that will immobilise the car, but windows, lights, hvac, trip computer etc. that are annoying when they stop working. As above though, most cars have had this stuff fixed 30-40 years on, though as luck would have it, my XM sat in a warehouse since the 90s and as such has not.



Grakkus fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Feb 7, 2020

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Yeah fully agreed that the suspension and electronics are the bits that can get expensive. That said, they're pretty durable items so once replaced they'll last a long while, so if you can pick one up that has had at least some of the work done then you're in good shape.


Nocheez posted:

According to a previous post you just have a 1 in 10 chance that it's not been done. In that case, it only requires disassembly of a German car from the worst automotive design era (in terms of repairs).

Reliable.

:laffo:

I too buy cars purely sight unseen, without asking any questions, checking service history or inspecting them. Sure hope I beat the odds next time too!!! :thumbsup:

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Krakkles posted:

Which is true of all the auto-openers, foot trigger or not. Whenever I rent cars with that poo poo I've always just forced it open because I'm not waiting 30 seconds to put my bag in the car. (Don't buy rental cars)

This is me. gently caress auto hatches, what an amazing way to make something over complicated, expensive and worse than the original solution

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Went for a run in a new area today and discovered this behind a fence:



That's a Velorex, a Czech 3 wheeler from the 40s. The single rear wheel is driven and it has a leather bonnet and grille for weight and cost savings. It must be absolutely terrifying to drive one of these in traffic.

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Holy crap.



https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283869798551?fbclid=IwAR1IjKPkERkHbq9pM2S5U8_kubmBRG-z0N1KGrSru7vE3aSbKZhJjwT_-4s

Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

The French had some wild interior patterns too:





From mk1 Renault Twingos

I know someone who had one with an interior in white with giant blue flower patterns. Pretty sure it was a stock pattern, but I can't find any pictures of it :(

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Grakkus
Sep 4, 2011

Loud armchairs are awesome. A friend of mine has this:




Powershift posted:

Easier to hide stains. It's safe to assume on a long distance bus that at least 20% of the passengers are masturbating at any one time.

This explains the French cars too :v:

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