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BigPaddy
Jun 30, 2008

That night we performed the rite and opened the gate.
Halfway through, I went to fix us both a coke float.
By the time I got back, he'd gone insane.
Plus, he'd left the gate open and there was evil everywhere.

Colostomy Bag posted:

In short: All car companies have smart engineers. But bean counters and bad management usually ruin it all.

British Leyland is the perfect example of that. The end product was awful due to cost cutting, poor quality control and sOcIaLiSt unions but the engineering and design was good. My favorite story is when they had a car that would not fit through a bridge between sheet metal work into paint so they just pushed them onto a trailer and drove them around to the other building... in the rain... during winter when the roads were salted.

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Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!



KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

i think people really poo poo on GM because of their patented habit of releasing kind of poo poo or otherwise nerfed product that has potential, dicking around, making it good, and then immediately killing it

That's pretty accurate.
I'll add: nerfing or flat out canceling products because they might compete with the Corvette.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

C-Bangin' it



Darchangel posted:

That's pretty accurate.
I'll add: nerfing or flat out canceling products because they might compete with the Corvette.

You talking about the GNX?

Boaz MacPhereson
Jul 11, 2006

Day 12045 Ht10hands 180lbs
No Name
No lumps No Bumps Full life Clean
Two good eyes No Busted Limbs
Piss OK Genitals intact
Multiple scars Heals fast
O NEGATIVE HI OCTANE
UNIVERSAL DONOR
Lone Road Warrior Rundown
on the Powder Lakes V8
No guzzoline No supplies
ISOLATE PSYCHOTIC
Keep muzzled...


Colostomy Bag posted:

You talking about the GNX?

And the old Pontiac Banshee.

poo poo, and the Syclone for that matter.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

C-Bangin' it



Boaz MacPhereson posted:

And the old Pontiac Banshee.

poo poo, and the Syclone for that matter.

I was going for more production cars during the Lutz era, but the Syclone/Typhoon slipped my mind.

90s Solo Cup
Feb 22, 2011

To understand the cup
He must become the cup





KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

i think people really poo poo on GM because of their patented habit of releasing kind of poo poo or otherwise nerfed product that has potential, dicking around, making it good, and then immediately killing it

Don't forget making the paying customer a beta tester without realizing it.

MrYenko
Jun 17, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...


SBC chat, don’t forget the 262 and 267, because why the gently caress not?

The 262 was a 3.671” bore with a 3.1” stroke, and the 267 went all the way down to a 3.5” bore with a 3.48” stroke 350ci crankshaft.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



90s Solo Cup posted:

Don't forget making the paying customer a beta tester without realizing it.

is this unique to GM

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011



BlackMK4 posted:

I think the info floating around about that motor is that it had actually clearly been opened before based on the sealant used and some other poo poo

They cracked open the replacement and it's exactly the same with RTV.

"...that's how they come...

...whoever says that's too much doesn't know what the gently caress they're talking about"

https://youtu.be/pzb2_XfIzxc

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

Oct 3, 2016 00:06: SO I'm also in 1st year classes and it's going pretty well I think.

Dec 9, 2016 15:46: Well I just took my first law school final exam. I think I've made a huge mistake.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

is this unique to GM

Presumably some other car companies are aware when they do it

Goober Peas
Jun 30, 2007

Check out my 'Vette, bro




Throatwarbler posted:

So does anyone actually like any Gm products

I turned in a leased Buick LaCrosse in November. It was alright. I thought the Impala did everything the LaCrosse did, better, and for less.

I had a 2014 Buick Regal GS before it and liked it a lot. Also a 2013 Chevy Volt that didn't survive an offroad mountain adventure, that I liked a lot.

The only thing they make right now that I like is the Corvette and Camaro, and neither are compatible with my current lifestyle.

Pre-Covid the Impala was my go-to rental on the National Executive aisle.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.


Holy poo poo that Wankel is bad for a factory one.

Throatwarbler posted:

So does anyone actually like any Gm products

I like their modern V8, the 4l80e, nv4500, and full float 14 bolt rear, but the rest can get stuffed

Memento
Aug 25, 2009




Clapping Larry



"T-boned by a truck carrying rotten potato slurry for cow feed. Passenger window was down"

angryrobots
Mar 31, 2005



Oven Wrangler

I always keep an eye out when entering an intersection

Fermented Tinal
Aug 25, 2005
PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP

tia


Throatwarbler posted:

So does anyone actually like any Gm products

'66 Impala SS

That Works
Jul 21, 2006


Fun Shoe


I had a 71 Impala. Loved it but it got about 12 MPG so it had to go when my commute changed.

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter


angryrobots posted:

I always keep an eye out when entering an intersection

Yeah I'm not trying to get mashed on the motorway.

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.

Megamarm

Olympic Mathlete posted:

They cracked open the replacement and it's exactly the same with RTV.

"...that's how they come...

...whoever says that's too much doesn't know what the gently caress they're talking about"

https://youtu.be/pzb2_XfIzxc

So, wait, these things are sold as new by Mazda, not reman? The gently caress

e: to be clear, I thought when they said 'new' in the first video it was hyperbole

BlackMK4 fucked around with this message at 01:39 on May 22, 2020

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009


MOTRONIC FOR MODERATOR, MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN


Grimey Drawer

Throatwarbler posted:

So does anyone actually like any Gm products

I like duramaxes (and the trans they buy from Alison). Not so much what they get put in.

Fermented Tinal
Aug 25, 2005
PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP

tia


That Works posted:

I had a 71 Impala. Loved it but it got about 12 MPG so it had to go when my commute changed.

That's why you LS swap, fuel savings.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

The general increasing love of athletics is benefiting our young men, and making their lives better and more worth the living.

In terrible car news,

‘Fieros Forever’ Museum Walloped by Dam Break

quote:

As if we didn’t have enough to worry about. Earlier this week, the middle of Michigan’s lower peninsula received a torrential amount of rain, breaking two dams, flooding the cities of Midland, Sanford and others. The recovery—especially since a third of the state’s workforce is unemployed due to the pandemic—will be difficult and long. Michigan’s National Guard is helping the displaced.

One of the of businesses affected was the Fieros Forever Michigan museum on Saginaw Rd. in Sanford, just a quarter mile from one of the dams that failed. From the pictures it looks like the building came down, with the Fieros in it.
...
Evans lost a few choice pieces in the flood, including a $15,000, 400-hp engine slated to go behind the seats of one of his cars, a rare T-top Fiero, and an ’84 pace car with the Super Duty engine to go with it. He also lost about 150 scale models from the front, museum section of the building.

90s Solo Cup
Feb 22, 2011

To understand the cup
He must become the cup






drat.

tuo
Jun 17, 2016




CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

I think you mean dont piss in the sink....again!

BlackMK4 posted:

So, wait, these things are sold as new by Mazda, not reman? The gently caress

e: to be clear, I thought when they said 'new' in the first video it was hyperbole

You heard them right. Sold as a new engine.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.


Clapping Larry

I had 1972 Nova coupe, with the 250 Straight 6 and the three on the tree Saginaw. God, that was a great car.

Combat Theory
Jul 16, 2017



Colostomy Bag posted:

We poo poo on every manufacturer fairly equally.

GM takes the biggest hit just due to their size and the '70s '80s era of malaise (which of course was focused on via a documentary).

But good lord, back then if you told me that they could crank out something like the C8 I would think you were sniffing glue.

In short: All car companies have smart engineers. But bean counters and bad management usually ruin it all.

Is that documentary on YouTube?

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

C-Bangin' it



Documentary was too strong of a word since I was referring to Roger & Me.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011



BlackMK4 posted:

So, wait, these things are sold as new by Mazda, not reman? The gently caress

e: to be clear, I thought when they said 'new' in the first video it was hyperbole

Yeah I went back and checked when they started pulling it apart just to make sure I hadn't misheard and that's a Mazda factory built 13b. In the second video they pull apart another factory one and it's a lot better, they said certainly good enough to slot right into a car. The rotary machinist guy says the 13b ones tolerance wise are pretty decent but the Renesis ones are trash.

That Works
Jul 21, 2006


Fun Shoe

Humbug Scoolbus posted:

I had 1972 Nova coupe, with the 250 Straight 6 and the three on the tree Saginaw. God, that was a great car.

Yeah that's basically just unkillable right?

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet




Slippery Tilde

Olympic Mathlete posted:

Yeah I went back and checked when they started pulling it apart just to make sure I hadn't misheard and that's a Mazda factory built 13b. In the second video they pull apart another factory one and it's a lot better, they said certainly good enough to slot right into a car. The rotary machinist guy says the 13b ones tolerance wise are pretty decent but the Renesis ones are trash.

If I'm understanding right it was bought from a third party that claimed it came straight from Mazda. Not sure if I misunderstood something, or even if I didn't who pulled a fast one here.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



I'm pretty sure most rotary blocks you buy straight from Mazda are reman at this point.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

Google Image Results for
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

I'm pretty sure most rotary blocks you buy straight from Mazda are reman at this point.

Didn't spyder post about how he bought the last two NOS rotors in North America?

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.


Clapping Larry

That Works posted:

Yeah that's basically just unkillable right?

No oil? No water? No problem.

I bought it for $225 in 1988 and did nothing but replace the clutch, buy new tires, and fix the driver side door latch. I drove it for six years, then gave it to a younger cousin and it kept going until 2001 being passed down through the family until its chassis 'peaced out' from Wisconsin rust.

That Works
Jul 21, 2006


Fun Shoe

Humbug Scoolbus posted:

No oil? No water? No problem.

I bought it for $225 in 1988 and did nothing but replace the clutch, buy new tires, and fix the driver side door latch. I drove it for six years, then gave it to a younger cousin and it kept going until 2001 being passed down through the family until its chassis 'peaced out' from Wisconsin rust.

Nice.

I am still enjoying my 2001 Grand Cherokee with the I6. Only have 100k miles on it, had to do some body work underneath to reverse 19 years of new england road salt but it still just runs like a champ. It was relegated from daily driver to occasional "tow a trailer to and from the lumberyard / home depot" once a month duties so I expect it to just last forever at this point. At some point there will be expensive 4wd related repairs but nothings making noises yet.

wesleywillis
Dec 30, 2016

A garden full of trees, and a pocket full of cheese.

Rhyno posted:

Didn't spyder post about how he bought the last two NOS rotors in North America?

It was SGT Fox. But he might have gone under a different name back then:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...0#post478799629

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

Google Image Results for
"Sexy Guy Gardner"


wesleywillis posted:

It was SGT Fox. But he might have gone under a different name back then:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...0#post478799629

Well I had half of it right!

echoplex
Mar 5, 2008

Stainless Style


A couple of years ago I picked up a project DeLorean from the US. At some point in it's life it went from being cared for with all the usual upgrades of the era, to belonging to someone with some misplaced 2fast2furious tendencies. Other than the cut shocks, knockoff momo wheel and *~racing pedals~* they also... painted the headlights blue?



I thought I had a good handle on (lovely) car culture but I've never seen this before and I don't get it. Is it a thing? He also painted the license plate lights blue too...

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.


Blue Footed Booby posted:

If I'm understanding right it was bought from a third party that claimed it came straight from Mazda. Not sure if I misunderstood something, or even if I didn't who pulled a fast one here.

It looked convincingly stapled shut like it was factory sealed but the way the vapor barrier bag was sealed up wasn't the same on the two. The second one sure looked factory sealed still, the first looked like it had been opened at least once. IIRC there were different brackets and stuff (for instance the lifting bracket) on each. I think someone took the first one out and ran it but I'm not sure of that of course.

The rust water I don't find very concerning TBH, that's just because they ran plain water during break-in instead of coolant. The small amounts of orange rust mud would wash out fast and get drained with the first coolant change. The out of spec end play and metal already in the drat oil? Bleh, do better Mazda.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004









Fun Shoe

I saw in the comments that the engine was discontinued for awhile. How old is that engine, it doesn't necessarily say anything about newer stuff, right?

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Midjack
Dec 24, 2007






Biscuit Hider

echoplex posted:

A couple of years ago I picked up a project DeLorean from the US. At some point in it's life it went from being cared for with all the usual upgrades of the era, to belonging to someone with some misplaced 2fast2furious tendencies. Other than the cut shocks, knockoff momo wheel and *~racing pedals~* they also... painted the headlights blue?



I thought I had a good handle on (lovely) car culture but I've never seen this before and I don't get it. Is it a thing? He also painted the license plate lights blue too...

Cursed image.

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