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TheAbortionator
Mar 4, 2005

Didn't we have a thread for staking new players a while back? Or did that turn out really bad?

Sorry if this idea was retarded, just wanted to bring some new blood in here.

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Scotsman
Jun 9, 2002

Dr. Eat posted:

elaborate? pretty serious accusation...

this was just going off first result off google for "merge sportsbook". never used them and don't bet on sports except for a sweat with friends.

i don't get why anyone betting sports outside US wouldn't use pinnacle and then just play poker on stars/party/ftp but whatevs.

ftp when they come back obv.

A lot of casual people prefer to just have the one account to handle everything. When they aren't super serious about winning money - more just wanting to bet and play some poker for fun.

Sportsbook.com screwed over all their affiliates, by simply up and closing their affiliate program and not paying any more income on any players they had referred.

Long history of trying to do anything they can to not pay the customer out, such as retroactively adding terms and conditions. Plus long history of super delayed cashouts.

I believe they're still owned by Jazette, who have a long, long history of stealing from players.

Neon Belly
Feb 12, 2008

I need something stronger.

TheAbortionator posted:

Didn't we have a thread for staking new players a while back? Or did that turn out really bad?

Sorry if this idea was retarded, just wanted to bring some new blood in here.

For the record I was making fun of etc, not you. Let's be reasonable.

DanManIt
Sep 5, 2008
Has there been any recent updates with FTP after PS announced that they were going to buy them out? Any ETA on money for US players?

Scotsman
Jun 9, 2002

The only update that I know if is that they have started hiring employees as of a few days ago - or at least are advertising for employees.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

DanManIt posted:

Has there been any recent updates with FTP after PS announced that they were going to buy them out? Any ETA on money for US players?

In the OP I linked to the official FTP 2p2 thread where the poker room manager is posting:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/official-ftp-pre-relaunch-thread-op-updated-september-4-2012-a-1232335/

The OP in that thread is updated every time Shyam makes a new post. AFAIK there is no ETA from US players. The next announcement they should expect is when the DOJ gives the contract for the payouts to a claim administrator (applications for companies to do this ended Aug 31st I think). No one knows how long the process for US players will take but I would be slightly surprised if US players had their money by Christmas.

Edit: Just to make this totally clear: Ever since the Pokerstars/DOJ/FTP deal was ratified niether Pokerstars or FTP are involved AT ALL in the repayment of US player balances. The DOJ and the claims administrators are 100% in control of this process.

Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Sep 13, 2012

Elephanthead
Sep 11, 2008


Toilet Rascal
Come on DOJ payout lucky lotto! I am hoping all players get the same refund like a class action settlement.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Elephanthead posted:

I am hoping all players get the same refund like a class action settlement.

uhhhh no.

Hopefully we get more than 50% of our balances back though. And maybe something for all the ftp/iron man points on there.... hahaha ok that's not gonna happen.

Blinky2099
May 27, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Baddog posted:

ftp/iron man points

:( hate my life

Cheap Trick
Jan 4, 2007

Lord of the Llamas posted:

Welp I managed to bust the $700 WCOOP in the very last hand before day 1 ended! Got in 9T on 8xT9 and villain had QJ :( Probably should have just folded pre and taken just over 35bb into day 2 but at the tail end of a 17 hour session I think the temptation to win the last pot got the better of me. LESSONS FOR NEXT TIME!

Dumb questions because I know precious little about poker: what do the Ts (e.g. "9T") and the "bb" in "36bb" mean?

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Cheap Trick posted:

Dumb questions because I know precious little about poker: what do the Ts (e.g. "9T") and the "bb" in "36bb" mean?

Ten (as in, the card between nine and jack) and "big blind", equal to the amount the player two left of the dealer must put out before any bets are made. (in a tourney, this amount goes up as the tourney goes on, forcing people to be aggressive about gathering chips)

Cheap Trick
Jan 4, 2007

silvergoose posted:

Ten (as in, the card between nine and jack) and "big blind", equal to the amount the player two left of the dealer must put out before any bets are made. (in a tourney, this amount goes up as the tourney goes on, forcing people to be aggressive about gathering chips)

Ohh right, it all makes sense now. I know about the "big blind" concept, and if my brain was in gear I might have figured out "Which of these cards begins with a 'T'?"

Lagomorphic
Apr 21, 2008

AKA: Orthonormal

TheAbortionator posted:

Also if you are still learning the rules of the game go to pokerstars.net and play a few hundred hands of play money.

Is pokerstars a good site to play on? My brother the degenerate gambler is trying to get me into online poker.

Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!


Grimey Drawer
You know, the last few days haven't been the best but the last 50 hands were a real motherfucker!

Yes that is a vertical line on the far right going down, you aren't imagining anything

Dunno how to timg an attachment, sorry for tables.

Only registered members can see post attachments!

TheAbortionator
Mar 4, 2005

Lagomorphic posted:

Is pokerstars a good site to play on? My brother the degenerate gambler is trying to get me into online poker.

Yeah son, don't deposit there tell your ready to do the full 600 bonus though. I'm sure your degenerate brother can hook you up with a transfer.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy

Lagomorphic posted:

Is pokerstars a good site to play on? My brother the degenerate gambler is trying to get me into online poker.

Yeh, it's widely considered to have the best selection of games and be the least likely to gently caress off and run with your money (when Black Friday happened they just went "yeh, we've got all your money segregated, have it. Cya later dudes!" and then they popped a sick wheelie on their motorcycle and flew off into the sunset with Liv Boeree on the back)

Baddog posted:

uhhhh no.

Hopefully we get more than 50% of our balances back though. And maybe something for all the ftp/iron man points on there.... hahaha ok that's not gonna happen.

From the 2+2 thread by Shayam it appears that ftp/iron man points were converted on Black Friday, so your roll on record will include money back for all that jazz.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

mfcrocker posted:


From the 2+2 thread by Shayam it appears that ftp/iron man points were converted on Black Friday, so your roll on record will include money back for all that jazz.

Huh, I thought iron got converted to ftp at some point in that mess, but I didn't think they had figured out anything with the ftp points.

Capped
Jun 21, 2005

Lagomorphic posted:

Is pokerstars a good site to play on? My brother the degenerate gambler is trying to get me into online poker.

This is getting a little repetitive but it does bear repeating: If you have the option to play on pokerstars.com or pokerstars.it or any other pokerstars.* you absolutely, 100% should play there. There have been far too many sites that have gone bankrupt, had cheaters, unsegregated player funds, non existent encryption, etc and pokerstars is the only one that has consistently shown itself to be above board in the face of every challenge that has come their way. I don't know if someone can find the top10 sites by traffic from, say, 3 years ago but I bet that stars is the only one that hasn't outright failed or lost the majority of their traffic after some destabilizing incident or another.

If the United States congress ever does get around to legalizing online poker, pokerstars will be the example of what online poker should be and what every other site should shoot for.

Lagomorphic
Apr 21, 2008

AKA: Orthonormal
Thanks guys, I really had no idea which sites were good. I'll be going with pokerstars then.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

mfcrocker posted:

Yeh, it's widely considered to have the best selection of games and be the least likely to gently caress off and run with your money (when Black Friday happened they just went "yeh, we've got all your money segregated, have it. Cya later dudes!" and then they popped a sick wheelie on their motorcycle and flew off into the sunset with Liv Boeree on the back)


From the 2+2 thread by Shayam it appears that ftp/iron man points were converted on Black Friday, so your roll on record will include money back for all that jazz.

Baddog posted:

Huh, I thought iron got converted to ftp at some point in that mess, but I didn't think they had figured out anything with the ftp points.

Baddog is correct. Acadamy points and IM Medals were converted into FTPs but FTPs were not converted into cash.

Nifty
Aug 31, 2004

Three quick HoldEm Manager questions:

I like watching the high stakes games on PokerStars, however I don't play on the site. HEM doesn't record the stats on PokerStars correctly and doesn't save them between sessions. Is there any way to change this?

Second, I play on Cake and HEM does not record stats if I am not actually sitting at the table. Seems like a good idea to "datamine" and just spectate lots of games at my stakes in order to get stats on players. Possible?

Third, HEM resets my (hero) stats on the HUD between every session. Is this changeable so it records my stats like any other player and maybe be resetable?

Social Media
Jan 21, 2010

I'd love an absolute beginner's guide to online hold 'em.

Scotsman
Jun 9, 2002

Cuck Everlasting posted:

I'd love an absolute beginner's guide to online hold 'em.

I'm working on one - although it will be a beginners guide to online poker in general. It's taking longer than I thought, but I hope to have the early draft of it for perusal in this thread on Tuesday, and then have the actual Newbies thread live the day after.

PITR Veterans can take their "Year in Review" responses and stick them straight up their rear end. :mad:

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Nifty posted:

Three quick HoldEm Manager questions:

I like watching the high stakes games on PokerStars, however I don't play on the site. HEM doesn't record the stats on PokerStars correctly and doesn't save them between sessions. Is there any way to change this?

I am 99.99% sure this is a restriction that Pokerstars requested.

Nifty posted:

Second, I play on Cake and HEM does not record stats if I am not actually sitting at the table. Seems like a good idea to "datamine" and just spectate lots of games at my stakes in order to get stats on players. Possible?

AFAIK datamining is against the TOS on every poker site. Not sure how on the ball Cake security are but it might be a good way to get your account banned.

Nifty posted:

Third, HEM resets my (hero) stats on the HUD between every session. Is this changeable so it records my stats like any other player and maybe be resetable?

I would like this too but as far as I'm aware it's not a feature.

Nifty
Aug 31, 2004

^ Thanks for the response.

I'm curious about the short stacking in the nose bleed PLO games. It looks like its less common at medium stakes. Both in heads up and 6max, players are usually keeping ~50bb stacks. This naturally results in lots of all-ins, especially when one player is on a draw. Is this a metagame thing that has slowly developed? What's the reasoning for this, especially with PLO?

Nifty fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Sep 16, 2012

MAN OF MANY MOUTHS
May 4, 2006

Is this real life?
The reason is different for different players. Short stacking makes for easier decisions in general. Multi tabling is a lot easier when short stacking for this reason. Also there are probably people there who are under rolled for those stakes so they buy in short. Then there is short stacking because you don't want to get put in spots were you think you will get out played by your competition and just want to do some high stakes gambling and not get destroyed.

null0ne
Jul 18, 2006
Even after being locked in a dark closet and neglected for years, my account refuses to die. Sup goons. Decided to learn poker, remembered PITR, came looking.... drat. Anyway, I know the 'new player guide' is in progress, but I'd specifically like a guide on getting started with tracking/calculating software (ie pokerstove). I know everyone and their inbred daughter is supposed to buy holdem manager, but how do I get started/use it 'correctly'? Should I try getting it through one of the affiliate buy-in promotions? Do I open pokerstove, put in ranges I know I'm beating already so it can simultaneously validate me shoving on every hand and give me a scapegoat when I lose my last $2 of my hooker fund? I have so many questions!

aeternum
Sep 3, 2003

Lagomorphic posted:

Thanks guys, I really had no idea which sites were good. I'll be going with pokerstars then.

If you play below NL100 you should look into the euro sites and get rakeback.

Stars is by far the safest and biggest but the VIP program isn't that great if you play micro and/or not much volume.

It's not as soft as it used to be now that the American/French/Spanish fishes left.

Cuck Everlasting posted:

I'd love an absolute beginner's guide to online hold 'em.

This is a good start (Concept of the Week):

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78/micro-stakes-full-ring/concept-week-schedule-table-contents-397190/

aeternum fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Sep 17, 2012

Yomofo
Jun 7, 2005

by Cyrano4747
Can we use this thread for transfers, or is that not allowed anymore? I got the itch to play on Cake again.

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009

Yomofo posted:

Can we use this thread for transfers, or is that not allowed anymore? I got the itch to play on Cake again.

I think that's a no go:

Winson_Paine posted:

This sort of thing, sadly, has to find some other home in accordance with the NEW POKER ORDER.

vampire
Aug 31, 2006

Mister Son of a beeetch
Part 1 of the Howard Lederer Files - a PokerNews interview with Howard who breaks his silence since Black Friday. This is the first part in a series taken from seven hours of interview footage recorded on the 8th September.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3g1wFJx461U#!

:EDIT: The link was leaked early so they've now made it private.

vampire fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Sep 18, 2012

AARO
Mar 9, 2005

by Lowtax
e: yer

AARO fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Sep 18, 2012

ultimatemike
May 10, 2005

Little Joe? Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

vampire posted:

Part 1 of the Howard Lederer Files - a PokerNews interview with Howard who breaks his silence since Black Friday. This is the first part in a series taken from seven hours of interview footage recorded on the 8th September.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3g1wFJx461U#!

:EDIT: The link was leaked early so they've now made it private.

Interesting that he claims Ferguson is the only one that didn't want to still the money.

Not that it stopped him from accepting it I apparently.

JCarver
Feb 12, 2005

i'm back making videos on youtube! same general idea as eating cake - starting with $10, aiming to run it up to 10x per "season", playing different sorts of micro-smallstakes sngs/cash games on pokerstars. check it out and let me know what you guys think! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUlp77LKfIQ

vampire
Aug 31, 2006

Mister Son of a beeetch

JCarver posted:

i'm back making videos on youtube! same general idea as eating cake - starting with $10, aiming to run it up to 10x per "season", playing different sorts of micro-smallstakes sngs/cash games on pokerstars. check it out and let me know what you guys think! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUlp77LKfIQ
Excellent. I meant to ask whether you would be putting more content out for PokerVT or YouTube now that you're in Canada.

Neon Belly
Feb 12, 2008

I need something stronger.

Requesting draft vids.

Teppec
Nov 7, 2004

Oranges everywhere!

Gadamer posted:

Requesting draft vids.

Oh hell yes. I'd love to see this too.

TheAbortionator
Mar 4, 2005

Swearengen avatar for the win.

JCarver
Feb 12, 2005

vampire posted:

Excellent. I meant to ask whether you would be putting more content out for PokerVT or YouTube now that you're in Canada.

when pokervt changed management from the guy who was really nice but very pushy (one of my best friends now lol) to the guy who was just really nice i made a lot less stuff for them. even though i couldve put eating cake on pokervt instead of youtube for an absurd amount of money, i like the freedom of having my own channel that i can just make what i want when i want to instead of having to keep to heavy strategy.

for those that dont know i started eating cake as a goon-only project before it became public on youtube - i'm massively more willing to post detailed replies to strategy questions as they come up in my videos here than in any other forum so don't be shy to fire away. thanks for the support guys, nice to be back :)

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ultimatemike
May 10, 2005

Little Joe? Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

vampire posted:

Part 1 of the Howard Lederer Files - a PokerNews interview with Howard who breaks his silence since Black Friday. This is the first part in a series taken from seven hours of interview footage recorded on the 8th September.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3g1wFJx461U#!

:EDIT: The link was leaked early so they've now made it private.

Part 2 is up now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DxUJxGzSO4

Edit: And part 3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZme4AvjE30

ultimatemike fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Sep 19, 2012

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