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Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


So the page being blocked in the UK... makes it show up first in search results? brilliant censorship there.

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Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


stickyfngrdboy posted:

It's ridiculous that judges have to sentence based on those given at the time of the offence.

Its an integral part of a fair legal system. You cannot prosecute someone for a crime that did not exist when the offence was committed, right? (like in the case of Robert Schifreen and Stephen Gold, who could not be prosecuted for hacking because hacking was not a crime when they did it) So you also can't take a minor offence someone has committed, and then jack up the punishment for it, then apply that punishment to them. Again, its a method to unfairly manipulate the justice system, something no-one wants. It is aggravating, I agree, but the logic is sound, and the fact of the conviction does not change.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010



You say crimes against minors should be exempt, but why? it is because its a sexual crime, and therefore also why not rapes of adults be subject to the same conditions? And if rapes are not held to sentences of when they are committed, why not other sexual crimes? Or is it because the crime is committed against a child, and then you ask why not child murders are held to the same rules? And if child murder is worth breaking sentencing about, why not the murder of adults? Or any crime that harms a child, even if not grievously?

You can't just have one or two specific exemptions to these principles, because then you open the argument to broaden them, and then the entire system breaks down. Its not like he's getting away scot-free because of this, and he is still branded a child-rapist.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


OwlFancier posted:

:psyduck: Rotherham isn't that big, that's got to be like, one in every three hundred people is running a child molestation ring :wtc:

Rotherham has a population of 257,800 last census. 56000 are under 18, and probably not running the ring. Of the remaining 201,800, 49.1% are male, leaving us with 99100 adult men in Rotherham. 300 men are under investigation, meaning that just over 3 in every thousand men in Rotherham are suspected of being in a grooming ring, or 0.3%. Very roughly, that does come out to nearish to one in every 300 adult men.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Yea, I thought SA was hosted in the US, so they wouldn't have to give up any information to enforce UK libel laws due to the free speech bit of their constitution?

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Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


If only we were in Scotland. This sounds like the kind of case the "Not Proven" verdict was made for.

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