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Bimmi posted:I wonder how big of a bath Bandai wound up taking on AGE merch? They made the claim last year, VERY much in public, that they expected something like a 30% increase in sales over the 00 lines. Pretty sure that didn't happen! Didn't the HG 00 model line have something like 125+ model kits? I don't even think we're up to 30 for the HG AGE line, not to mention that "advanced grade" line was a complete joke.
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Is Gundam AGE turning out to be an even bigger failure than X was?
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Sep 25, 2012 07:28
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Senor Science posted:Is Gundam AGE turning out to be an even bigger failure than X was? Turning out? More like foregone conclusion. The only reason AGE even finished cause Bandai's making so much money off Unicorn they basically said gently caress it and let the poo poo finish rolling downhill.
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Sep 25, 2012 07:36
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Series ratings are one thing, but I'm guessing that even age will beat turn a in merchandise sales.
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Sep 25, 2012 07:42
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Not a very impressive feat considering Turn A barely had anything to sell.
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Sep 25, 2012 07:53
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Bimmi posted:Not a very impressive feat considering Turn A barely had anything to sell. That was a roundabout way of saying that as far as Bandai is concerned, even Age is probably more successful than Turn A.
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Sep 25, 2012 08:03
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so is Victory, by that logic.
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Senor Science posted:Is Gundam AGE turning out to be an even bigger failure than X was? X wasn't even that big of a failiure. The only reason it tanked was because the model kits weren't selling well so soon after Wing and the network bounced it from lovely timeslot to lovely timeslot until it lost enough ratings to justify killing the series... sort of like Firefly.
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Turn-A and Gundam X both had pretty bad toy lines, if I recall, which is a big factor into their failure. (Gundam X in particular I hear had horrible models and nobody wanted them.) I'm willing to bet AGE has fantastic models but what I've heard is that they're selling well below par. More importantly they have no character merch to sell. Gundam SEED's model kit sales were not tremendous but it supplemented them with character merch. 00 was designed to take advantage of that and had a bunch of character merch too. AGE, to my understanding, almost completely dropped that aspect, trying to focus heavily on the gunpla/toys. Except nobody gave a poo poo about the toys and they did a terrible job showing them off in-show.
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Sep 25, 2012 13:42
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Turn A was deliberately noncommercial, so we may safely exclude it from any and all model kit theories.
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Bimmi posted:Turn A was deliberately noncommercial, so we may safely exclude it from any and all model kit theories. Is there any truth to the rumor that Bandai didn't even try releasing kits of most of the show's mobile suits? I've heard people say it occasionally, but I've no idea.
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Sep 25, 2012 14:37
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Oh right. You'd think Bandai would test the waters with a few of the more obvious suits again since fans voted the Turn-A to be the 100th MG. There must be some love for the show, or at least it's mechanical designs to say that won out. Maybe throw out a MG Turn-X or SUMO and see if people buy them.
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Sep 25, 2012 15:03
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Turn A's popularity has been on the rise as its fanbase matures.
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Zorak posted:Turn A's popularity has been on the rise as its fanbase matures. I think it's also just by dint of the fact it's a finished show, written by Tomino no less. When there's no airing show, or the currently airing one isn't interesting someone they want something to watch and run through the older shows, giving something they passed over a chance since they can marathon it. It's probably a lot easier for people who were initially off-putt by it's slower pace to watch it now that it's finished than it would have been week to week 13 years ago.
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ImpAtom posted:I'm willing to bet AGE has fantastic models but what I've heard is that they're selling well below par. while the "normal" model line is doing fine, not stellar, the entire point of AGE: the AG "gunpla for kiddies" thing is doing fairly poor. I don't know how true it is but the mix and match easy to build things that were pushed more were mostly on clearance and this was during the middle of the show.
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Yosuke posted:while the "normal" model line is doing fine, not stellar, the entire point of AGE: the AG "gunpla for kiddies" thing is doing fairly poor. I don't know how true it is but the mix and match easy to build things that were pushed more were mostly on clearance and this was during the middle of the show. Well, I can' say I'm shocked by that. AGE's demographic was completely wrecked from the very start. I don't think they ever had any significant young audience. That may be why we got the obvious rewrite at the start of AGE-2.
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AGE has always seemed to me a premeditated effort to appeal to kids minus any consideration as to what they might like, want or be interested in. The model kits are pretty great though, such as they are!
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TaurusOxford posted:Didn't the HG 00 model line have something like 125+ model kits? I don't even think we're up to 30 for the HG AGE line, not to mention that "advanced grade" line was a complete joke. 00 had a good scheme going what with the trans-am modes, pretty easy way to make money. I think they released an hg of every single suit in that show, except for the Gn Flag(those fuckers) and the Alvatorre. I guess it also helped that the 00 designs didn't look like rear end.
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Sep 25, 2012 21:48
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They didn't do the mammoth suit Louise had, but it would have been huge.
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Bimmi posted:AGE has always seemed to me a premeditated effort to appeal to kids minus any consideration as to what they might like, want or be interested in.
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boom boom boom posted:or a team of teenage male models who are secretly also a terrorist cell? This one sounds awful!
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I really wish they'd make a prequel movie/OVA that opens with Side 3 declaring independence as the Republic of Zeon, goes through all the political maneuvering between Zeon Deikun vs. the Zabis ending with his assassination and Casval & Artesia escaping, and finally ends depicting the colony drop on Sydney.
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Mr. Stay-Puft posted:I really wish they'd make a prequel movie/OVA that opens with Side 3 declaring independence as the Republic of Zeon, goes through all the political maneuvering between Zeon Deikun vs. the Zabis ending with his assassination and Casval & Artesia escaping, and finally ends depicting the colony drop on Sydney. A Gundam story with no Gundams or mobile suits and barely any combat? Not a prayer. How can you sell models on it after all. You might as well wish for a Batman movie about Joe Chill's life, and what led him to murder Bruce's parents.
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I think something like that is gonna happen eventually. IIRC The Origin has an extensive Char flashback, and I imagine the future adaption of it will include it. I have no idea what's in the flashback though, just that it took multiple volumes to do. As for no mobile suits being around, I'm sure they could retcon something in if they really wanted to. They have already retconned like, a million Gundams into the One Year War after all.
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tsob posted:A Gundam story with no Gundams or mobile suits and barely any combat? Well, I didn't mean that would be ALL it would include, those would just be part of the highlights. There was a ton of fighting before the colony drop ever happened and obviously there'd be some of that in here, even if it were mostly Zaku vs. whatever. Plus, of course, Srice posted:They have already retconned like, a million Gundams into the One Year War after all. But yeah, even then it'd be a long shot that something along those lines would get made today. Just a daydream of mine. (Along with a modern console remake of Final Fantasy VI done up with Okami-style cel shading to actually look like Yoshitaka Amano's paintings. Another project to finance when I win Mega Millions.) Mr. Stay-Puft fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Sep 26, 2012 |
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Srice posted:I think something like that is gonna happen eventually. IIRC The Origin has an extensive Char flashback, and I imagine the future adaption of it will include it. I have no idea what's in the flashback though, just that it took multiple volumes to do.  March can't come fast enough, I can't wait for the hardbacks. Guyver fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Sep 26, 2012 |
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I would kill for any media about life before the OYW, even before the rise of Zeon.
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If I remember correctly its canon that the Feds used captured Zakus in limited amounts until the GM was rolled out, so MS combat is a possibility for a prequel. Focus the action segments on some feddie aces in customized Zakus and you satisfy the need for action while justifying even more zaku variants to merchandise.
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mr. stefan posted:If I remember correctly its canon that the Feds used captured Zakus in limited amounts until the GM was rolled out, so MS combat is a possibility for a prequel. Focus the action segments on some feddie aces in customized Zakus and you satisfy the need for action while justifying even more zaku variants to merchandise. All zakus, all the time. I can see nothing wrong with this idea.
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So one common complaint about AGE was that the action scenes tended to be a bit on the underwhelming side (and I agree). So what are you folks' favourite battles from the franchise, then? Personally, I've gotta say that Judau and Puru versus the Psyco Gundam Mk. II in Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ and Banagher versus Frontal in Episode 3 of Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn score pretty highly for sheer  -factor, though there are plenty of other good ones out there.
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Domon versus Master Asia (pure shounen spirit), Gouf Custom versus 08th MS Team (amazing display of skill from Norris Packard).
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Sep 27, 2012 18:06
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Pretty much any fight in the latter 2/3 of Turn A. That show wasn't exactly action packed, but it did do an action scene, goddrat.
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V Gundam is a bad show, but watching Usso do his crazy piloting thing never fails to make me grin. There is something quite viscerally satisfying to me about the opening scene of 0080. UC ep.4. Byarlant Custom. Nuff said.
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Sep 27, 2012 20:06
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Amuro tackling Char off a horse.
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That gif of the Guncannon knocking a Zaku off a cliff. Serious answer: While it was mostly bleh, the second season of 00 had some great action scenes. The attack on Memento Mori and trying to limit the devastation caused by the collapse of the Orbital Elevator were awesome.
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Schubalts posted:Gouf Custom versus 08th MS Team (amazing display of skill from Norris Packard). I've got mixed feelings about that one. It is definitely a good watch as a visceral experience, but the more you think about the details and what exactly happened, the more you start to realize it's not nearly as impressive on paper. Which, admittedly, probably also applies to many other fights in Gundam and elsewhere.
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