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Rodyle posted:And? She had the means to save her friend and didn't even try. It's a lovely scene and just made me hate how she's our female lead and not someone cool like Yayoi. She sucked so much that I kind of hated the other characters because it felt like she was just made to make them cooler by comparison.
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Not to deny the possibility of s2 being 11 episodes, but is there a source for this? MAL seems to happily apply random numbers to shows. Wikipedia/Syoboi/Moon Phase still have the episode count as "unknown". I've been the enjoying this season to some degree, but the last few episodes feel so wonky.
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Agreed with how S2 is hindered by only 11 episodes too. I'd love to get Akane's HUE rating for the latest episode but oh well. You know it's going to get serious once the MC does the Gendo Ikari pose. Is the grandmother experiencing some senility or some other drug? No matter how I look at it, she is one calm person in a kidnapping scenario. Does this mean Akane's parents are estranged/missing? Also, I thought Kamui "judged" the illegal immigrants as unworthy people to receive his care and punished them along w/the businessmen in the mansion.
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Alder posted:Is the grandmother experiencing some senility or some other drug? No matter how I look at it, she is one calm person in a kidnapping scenario. Does this mean Akane's parents are estranged/missing? They said her parents were moved to a safe location after the incident where the W.C. was carved into her apartment wall. And I think her grandmother has Eustress Deficiency, or at least Akane believes this (as opposed to the common belief that it's an urban legend). Meaning she can't move and can't feel, so yea.
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Alder posted:Also, I thought Kamui "judged" the illegal immigrants as unworthy people to receive his care and punished them along w/the businessmen in the mansion. I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with judgement and everything to do with them not being able or wanting to live anymore mate.
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Rodyle posted:And? She had the means to save her friend and didn't even try. Because if she shot and killed Makishima her criminal coefficient would've shot up so she'd either spend the rest of her life in prison or get killed by another Inspector. Characters in psycho pass spend their entire lives insulated from anything that takes their mind off their pleasantly dull existence. Sybil takes all their free will away and the point of the Dominator from the very first scene of the show is "just let the gun decide, if it says shoot, then shoot", actually using your own free will to decide to shoot is pretty much unthinkable and the sort of thing that gets you gibbed if you start contemplating it, and exactly what Makishima wants.
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Blockhouse posted:I could not agree more with this ANN review and going through this thread I'm genuinely surprised there are people who seem to be unironically liking this season. Its pretty much payoff for everything that was established last season, why wouldn't we like it if we liked the first season?
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darkgray posted:Not to deny the possibility of s2 being 11 episodes, but is there a source for this? MAL seems to happily apply random numbers to shows. Wikipedia/Syoboi/Moon Phase still have the episode count as "unknown". Here is the fact sheet from Fuji Creative. http://www.fujicreative.co.jp/Portals/0/special/anime/Psycho-pass/index2.html Also since it is in the noitamina timeslot, it has to end this season due to the fact that there is another show airing at that time slot for next season.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Its pretty much payoff for everything that was established last season, why wouldn't we like it if we liked the first season? This could not have less to do with the themes or anything of the first season. It's payoff written by someone who was only vaguely aware of what the show was about.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Its pretty much payoff for everything that was established last season, why wouldn't we like it if we liked the first season? I'm pretty sure the only reason I'm still watching it is how much I liked the first season (like someone said above). Depending on how attached one is to the series, season two is something between zany and ridiculous
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Raenir Salazar posted:Its pretty much payoff for everything that was established last season, why wouldn't we like it if we liked the first season? It's doing a pretty good job of undermining every theme that the first season worked to build, so far, and is about as deep plot-wise as a mud puddle. I'm predicting Kogami will show up in the last episode and blow up Sybil or something, because that's where this terrible writing is headed like a freight train.
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Psycho Pass 2: Gemini of Sybil
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I'm enjoying season 2, but then I'm not taking it the slightest bit seriously either.
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Phobophilia posted:Psycho Pass 2: Gemini of Sybil See now: While Darker than Black's 2nd season did indeed have a less than stellar showing, it still made sense in a sort of way that was explained by what went down in the Mangas. It just... wasn't as good as the first season. And to be honest, the first season was spec-- OKAY IT'S THE SAME GODDAMN THING.
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Wark Say posted:See now: While Darker than Black's 2nd season did indeed have a less than stellar showing, it still made sense in a sort of way that was explained by what went down in the Mangas. Words can't describe how let down I'd felt after DtB's S2 ending. And the OVAs didn't make it at all better either way. Still I want to wait until the final episode to judge the series to be fair. I will go down with this ship.
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Yeah, things could end up being stupid, or they could end up working out fine. A lot of the ANN reviewer's opinions are based on certain assumptions that I don't agree with (such as whether Mika is asymptomatic or not). I also didn't have a problem with some things that apparently a lot of people did like Kamui being a Frankenstein's monster, or the fact that the police didn't look up his name (from moment one I assumed "Kamui" to be a codename so and the thought that it was his real name never crossed my head so I sympathised with the investigators). And I think the season has some real strong points, I feel it highlights how hosed up and stunted the thought process of the people who grew up under Sibyl is in ways I don't feel were quite as clear in the first season.
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The only thing that really bugged me is how long it took people to admit he even existed. Everyone just hanging out saying "Well sure that guy last year turned out to be real. And he killed a ton of people and almost destroyed the country, but this time it actually is impossible even though it's basically the exact sane thing. Also we are well aware that technology that messes with the sensors exists but let's not even mention that either"
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Dr_Amazing posted:The only thing that really bugged me is how long it took people to admit he even existed. Everyone just hanging out saying But you see, admitting that there's a problem is admitting defeat 
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RIP Akane's grandmother. However, her death feels cheap even as way to motivate her to act in a reckless manner and just turn Togane into more villain-like character. I mean, it's hard to build an emotional connection when one person appears for approx 10-30 secs in a series. Um, killing elderly relatives is bad? Same with puppies? S2 is winding up faster than I expected and last episode has the ability to either make or break it for Winter 2014. Unfortunately, Mika never really got any better from her intro. So it goes.
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I have to say, I really enjoyed the Kogami talking down Akane scene. Especially watching this show in concert with the Extended Edition of the first series, despite himself, Kogami was an excellent influence on Akane's psyche. Even though Akane is still with the Sibyl System and Kogami couldn't be more wanted by the System if he tried, they definitely bring out the best in each other. Excited to see how this all wraps up next week, but I'm also looking forward to how it ties into the movie.
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Alder posted:RIP Akane's grandmother. However, her death feels cheap even as way to motivate her to act in a reckless manner and just turn Togane into more villain-like character. I mean, it's hard to build an emotional connection when one person appears for approx 10-30 secs in a series. Um, killing elderly relatives is bad? Same with puppies? The goal of that murder was pretty much to do what it accomplished with you- It was Togane's big trump card to turn her black, and it utterly failed. The anti-climatic way it was delivered is to show the anti-climatic impact it has on Akane's mental health.
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I just finished Season 1. Should I proceed to Season 2 or wait to see how people respond to the final?
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If you space the episodes out a bit you'll be ready to watch the last one with the rest of us. I'm still finding the ride to be fun. It's not as impactful as the first season, but I still think it's enjoyable.
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I think that (at least if you followed the 1st show in a weekly basis), part of what made the 1st season work is that the “slow episodes” allowed for a really consistent tone.
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I finished the first season earlier this week. It was good! I don't really want to see it continued though, the ending seemed fine.
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Arkeus posted:The goal of that murder was pretty much to do what it accomplished with you- It was Togane's big trump card to turn her black, and it utterly failed. The anti-climatic way it was delivered is to show the anti-climatic impact it has on Akane's mental health. Probably how I'm just overestimating S2 also but up to now the story has been very rocky. I know certain characters have slated for specific roles but it's not what I'd call subtle. Then again, this is all based of my own conjecture. It's late in the game to begin S2 but it's a short sequel so it's fine.
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Alder posted:Probably how I'm just overestimating S2 also but up to now the story has been very rocky. I know certain characters have slated for specific roles but it's not what I'd call subtle. Then again, this is all based of my own conjecture. Oh, how are you over-estimating S2? so far i am quite pleased with it myself- it's much more consistent and has a much stronger message than S1. Also, it doesn't have the horriblness that was Kogami and BlandVillain, which really helps.
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Arkeus posted:Oh, how are you over-estimating S2? so far i am quite pleased with it myself- it's much more consistent and has a much stronger message than S1. A stronger message doesn't always mean better. I've been kinda tolerating this season so far, but I just had to laugh out loud at Togane's 'evil' face in the most recent episode and Akane and Sibyl's terrible back and forth. It's incredibly ham handed and it's not a satisfying takedown of Sibyl if it's accomplished because most of the characters have turned into raving morons.
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the takedown doesn't even make sense sibyl isn't a computer it's a bunch of human brains you can't just paradox it into submission when it can decide to stop playing by its own rules at will
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Blockhouse posted:the takedown doesn't even make sense sibyl isn't a computer it's a bunch of human brains you can't just paradox it into submission when it can decide to stop playing by its own rules at will The gamble is that the majority of the brains do want to play by its own rules and that seems to be what Akane is counting on.
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Arkeus posted:Oh, how are you over-estimating S2? so far i am quite pleased with it myself- it's much more consistent and has a much stronger message than S1. I expected a closer focus on Akane's character development and less chasing down villains who seem to have 100+ backup plans for last minute escapes. Yes, we all know Sybil is bad but from the preview I want to know about our heroes instead of well, crazy villain has some crazy plans about something. Mika's character arc just went nowhere too.
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Blockhouse posted:the takedown doesn't even make sense sibyl isn't a computer it's a bunch of human brains you can't just paradox it into submission when it can decide to stop playing by its own rules at will As it constantly did. In season 1. Constantly. Almost like that was a theme of the material or something!
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The biggest problem I'm having is that there has been no character development, let along character arcs, in this season. It's pretty clear that it's being written by someone who's trying to copy Urobutchi's grimdark style, but doesn't have the chops, which is why we get trashy scenes like that clinic where everyone gets popped and immigrants who have been reconstructed into animals and then had a hologram overlaid. S2 is such a premium example of why changing writers rarely ends well.
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Rime posted:The biggest problem I'm having is that there has been no character development, let along character arcs, in this season. I think the opposite. Akane has evolved to the point where she can objectively see what the Sybyl system actually is - that is a very mechanical, homeostatic system where anyone who rocks the boat (psychologically) is dealt with in rather gruesome fashion (inspectors, citizens) or co-opted (Togane, The Professor, Ginoza, every enforcer presented). I kind of feel like Akane wants Sybyl to be judged. Evidence: didn't want Togane to shoot Kamui during the dockside scene, letting Kamui know about the explosives.
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Huragok posted:I think the opposite. Akane has evolved to the point where she can objectively see what the Sybyl system actually is - that is a very mechanical, homeostatic system where anyone who rocks the boat (psychologically) is dealt with in rather gruesome fashion (inspectors, citizens) or co-opted (Togane, The Professor, Ginoza, every enforcer presented). I'd argue all of that happened in season one
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It was Kamui's guy that kidnapped the grandmother right? So how did team Sibyl end up killing her?
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Dr_Amazing posted:It was Kamui's guy that kidnapped the grandmother right? So how did team Sibyl end up killing her? He found and then killed her instead of rescuing.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:A stronger message doesn't always mean better. I've been kinda tolerating this season so far, but I just had to laugh out loud at Togane's 'evil' face in the most recent episode and Akane and Sibyl's terrible back and forth. It's incredibly ham handed and it's not a satisfying takedown of Sibyl if it's accomplished because most of the characters have turned into raving morons. Togane's evil face? what? seems like either you or I are completely misreading this show. Alder posted:I expected a closer focus on Akane's character development and less chasing down villains who seem to have 100+ backup plans for last minute escapes. Yes, we all know Sybil is bad but from the preview I want to know about our heroes instead of well, crazy villain has some crazy plans about something. Mika's character arc just went nowhere too. Yeah, it seems we are watching a different show. Akane doesn't want to take down Sybil, she wants to make it stronger and more pervasive. Sybil isn't "bad" in the show, the whole theme of S2 is how Akane has to juggle a direct attack against Sybil into a way to make Sybil stronger and not just defend it. If you have been watching the show wanting some kind of Sybil take down or "Togane is Evil" straightforwadness (Togane's theme is that he is a failure sent to test potential successes. He is a parallell to Akane, in the sense that they tried to make him into someone like Akane and failed, and now Togane's role is to make sure future successes are indeed successes... by being a psycho that try as hard as he can to make them fail) or some such... yeah, i can see how we would see two completely different messages.
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Well stronger in a certain sense, she wants it to be more objective and less driven by pettiness or ego like the Togane chief.
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