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SALT CURES HAM
Jan 4, 2011
Gen Urobuchi doing cyberpunk? Last time this happened we got Kikokugai, which loving owns. (I'm not counting his Equilibrium fanfiction because Equilibrium isn't really cyberpunk also I refuse to believe that exists.)

:getin:

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SALT CURES HAM
Jan 4, 2011
I haven't watched it yet, but it sounds like it's pretty typical Urobuchi, i.e. if I liked Madoka, Fate/zero and his VNs I'll probably dig this too. Does that sound about right?

SALT CURES HAM
Jan 4, 2011

jonjonaug posted:

Just finished watching this myself and not quite.

I'd say if you enjoyed Kikokugai and/or Saya no Uta or all of Fate/Zero, there's a good chance you'll enjoy this. If you only liked Madoka Magica or just the Waver/Rider parts of Fate/Zero and disliked the rest of it (or only enjoyed it ironically), you might find this hard to enjoy. If you disliked all of those you might as well get out now, because there probably won't be anything for you here.

Well, I loved Kikokugai (look at the first post I made in this thread ffs) and the erection Fate/zero gave me knew no bounds, so yeah, I'll probably dig this then. Thanks! :)

e: Just watched the first episode. This is a little rough, but honestly it's got a poo poo-ton of potential.

Does anyone else get major Dredd vibes from this? Not Judge Dredd as a whole, but specifically the movie from this year. Tsunemori and Kogami basically strike me as being bizarro Anderson and Dredd, and a lot of the visuals and music were pretty much lifted straight from that movie.

Also jesus gently caress, is the massive hateboner everyone has for Urobuchi serious or is it just anime pseudo-hipsterism since most of what he's done is so universally beloved? He honestly hasn't done a single thing that I haven't loving loved, and the only thing where I can actually articulate a reason why anyone would dislike it is Fate/zero, which I thought was a little exposition-heavy and slow at times.

SALT CURES HAM fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Oct 12, 2012

SALT CURES HAM
Jan 4, 2011
To be honest, I only loved Fate/zero from the first episode because I had already read the F/sn visual novel and knew it was going to get awesome sooner or later, and only loved Madoka from the first episode because I got in really late and had some of the early batshit craziness spoiled for me. Otherwise it would have taken a three-episode test for both. But that's neither here nor there.

SALT CURES HAM
Jan 4, 2011

Good_Haro posted:

Yes, clearly no one could actually dislike any of Urobuchi's stuff, because he's popular and you've loved everything he's done so, obviously all us haters are just hipsters hating on Mr. Popular. You know, none of us who didn't like the show have, like, explained reasons why we felt the episode was flawed beyond redemption in detail.

Do you guys actually read the negative posts or do you just understand "I didn't like it and thought it was bad" and proceed directly to "omg how could you hate this thing I like? There's nothing wrong with it! You shouldn't feel different things from me about things I like! You're being too harsh! You just hate it because it's popular!"?

Where are you even seeing a "massive hateboner for Urobuchi"? There are like 2-3 people who really didn't like the show in this thread, and again, I think we've all put more than sufficient effort into explaining exactly why we feel the way we do about the show. Unless I missed something, I think the only negative mentions of Urobuchi explicitly are things to the effect of "well it's Urobuchi, so I don't know why I expected better" but you know, it's not like he has consistent problems with his writing or a particular style that could warrant such a comment.

Once again, seriously guys? I'm not replying to every positive post with "Oh my god, why are you people sucking Urobuchi's dick so hard? I've hated everything he's made so are you just getting on the hipster irony train by liking something obviously terrible?" Why can't you just accept that some people don't feel the same way as you do about things?

Did I seriously make you angry enough to drop 10 bucks on a red title? Jesus gently caress, I should never underestimate neckbeard rage. :psyduck:

SALT CURES HAM
Jan 4, 2011

Good_Haro posted:

Nope, not me. But if it makes you feel better you can continue to believe that.

Given that you're the only one who absolutely vomited with anger at me really liking Urobuchi's stuff, and I've also seen you melt the gently caress down in other threads over people disagreeing with you (how's the gay rape porn translation going, btw?), I'd say I'm gonna continue to believe that. :v:

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SALT CURES HAM
Jan 4, 2011
You know, I really, really wanted to like this show and there's still a lot of poo poo I love about it, but between the weird pacing and the loving fanservice otaku-pandering doctor (which I'm not sure why I'm so annoyed by) this is getting dangerously close to failing the 3-episode test for me.

I do genuinely love the art direction (at least where the settings and tech are concerned) and it's got a lot of potential, but if episode 2 is a sign of things to come, it doesn't look like it'll live up to that.

I know, I know, foot planted firmly in mouth, etc. I'm kind of hoping we get another situation like Madoka where it's slow for a couple episodes then massive amounts of :tviv: out of nowhere, but honestly I don't see that happening, and the thing that made it work really well in Madoka (the bait and switch) isn't really in effect here so I'm not sure if it would really save the show that much if it did happen.

SALT CURES HAM
Jan 4, 2011

Sakurazuka posted:

Maybe I missed something, but how was the doctor fan-servicey, other than obviously having a pair of boobs?

Between her character design and her dialogue, she came off as a lot more sexualized than any of the other female characters and it was jarring as hell. The pacing is a bigger issue, honestly, but that didn't exactly help (surprisingly given that I usually do not give the tiniest poo poo about fanservice).

SALT CURES HAM fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Oct 22, 2012

SALT CURES HAM
Jan 4, 2011

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

If she's the only one, doesn't that make it characterization and more appropriate than if every female character in the show were portrayed that way?

Honestly, I like the scene. It reinforces what an awkward newcomer Akane is, compared to the comfortably settled CID staff. The staredown with the woman coming out of the office is great. And since when was "cheerfully confident and definitely adult lesbian" otaku pandering?

I'll concede your point on that first bit. It is definitely better than if every female character were portrayed that way.

The thing is, though, we see another woman on the CID staff and she's nothing but professional. She's kind of cold towards Akane, but for perfectly understandable reasons, and the contrast between her and Akane establishes what you were talking about just fine on its own.

As far as it being otaku pandering or not, I suppose it's just my own cynicism giving me that impression; when I see a woman in a show who has her breasts hanging out and makes sexual remarks towards the female lead, I assume it's being done to sell more figmas and body pillows, not just for the sake of having an interesting character. :v:

SALT CURES HAM
Jan 4, 2011
Yeah don't get me wrong I've actually gotten annoyed at goons for instinctively being afraid of boobs in their anime before. I suppose it's mostly just an issue of how it's handled, and for some reason it really rubbed me the wrong way in this when it generally doesn't.

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SALT CURES HAM
Jan 4, 2011

jonjonaug posted:

He brutalizes men pretty hard too.

E: If anything, men tend to have it worse in Urobuchi things.

Yeah, Urobuchi is pretty much the Japanese Garth Ennis in that regard.

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