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Sir Tonk posted:Savage is totally playing a part, just like Downey Jr. back in the day. Robert Downey Jr.? Was he playing a really right wing shithead role or something? Or is this a different Downey Jr.?
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Idran posted:Wait, Dawkins did that too? I knew about Hitchens and Harris, but I didn't realize he had. Well, yet another reason to ignore him then. I'm pretty sure Dawkins was and is against the Iraq War. He's still guilty of the same stereotyping of Muslims, but he's not as bad as Hitchens and Harris at least.
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Russia is so far from being a leading world power. I can think of three nations off the top of my head I'd put before it. USA, China... what's the third one you'd put ahead of Russia?
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Joementum posted:I have nothing to add to this. There's nothing that needs to be added to that. That is art.
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Dec 6, 2013 23:56
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mr. mephistopheles posted:If public shaming is not a feasible or appropriate way to combat bigotry then what is? The only alternative I see is doing nothing, which is really dumb. Making it not okay to publicly call someone a human being is as much of a victory for gay rights as legalizing gay marriage and they go hand in hand. The general progression is social pressure changes attitudes which then leads to laws changing. I can't think of an instance where a law changed and then social attitudes followed. There's a difference between calling someone a human being and saying "I disagree with homosexual marriage but I'm not going to seek it be banned." and trying to draw some sort of equivalency between Obama saying the latter and Bob the Redneck saying the former is disingenuous at best, and actively harmful to the gay rights movement at the worst - we have more than enough evidence that public shaming doesn't make people change their minds, it just makes them feel persecuted and under attack, and as a result more likely to oppose what they disapproved of.
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Apr 10, 2014 23:57
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mr. mephistopheles posted:I don't give two flying fucks if they feel persecuted as long as they aren't vocal with their stupid bullshit. You're not going to change their minds by being their buddy either. The best you can hope for is making their views socially unacceptable, and that's what public shaming does. How effective has public shaming been at stopping racism against minorities? All it does is change the language used, but is Welfare Queen any less vile a sentiment than friend of the family? quote:I have absolutely no idea where you got that someone was drawing an equivalency between Obama and a homophobic redneck. This entire conversation's been about people demonizing people who disapprove of homosexual marriage but don't seek to ban it.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Uhhhh, pretty goddamn good? There's still a ways to go but you can marry other races now without everyone freaking out. Would you attribute that just to public shaming? Discounting the Black Pride movement and sustained Education efforts to teach people that Black Americans weren't racially inferior? quote:Yeah, and no ones saying put them in jail, the social stigma of the day is against them and we're approving of that. So what's your point? My point is that public shaming by itself is ineffective, if not counterproductive, even if it's easy and feels cathartic. It isn't going to cause positive change on its own. It's just a distraction from the real things that cause inexorable, effective social pressure - namely education and acts to show the merit of a cause.
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Modern Day Hercules posted:You're moving goal posts hard. Right before this post you asked if public shaming does anything at all, and now you'll only be satisfied if public shaming was the sole cause of a positive change. Public shaming has contributed to the positive changes in race relations and you know it, you're admitting it here. It's only a part of the explanation, but it is a part and you can't just deny that outright. No, I asked how effective it was, because I felt other methods were more effective, as you can see in the context of my posts. I never denied it was a part, only that I felt it was a lesser part than the other methods I mentioned - but I will gladly admit I was wrong to assume people were talking about public shaming in my narrow definition of the term if people are, as Intel&Sebastian says, including the education movement as part of public shaming.
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Has there been any new word on the Bundy situation, out of curiosity?
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Sir Tonk posted:Would it be possible to not get into a multi-page derail on Neil DeGrasse Tyson, of all people, in the right wing media thread? Please, did you think the proud Leftists of this thread could ever pass up a chance to tear apart one of their own for being insufficiently pure?
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Hazo posted:I give up, what's wrong with this one? From a glance, Czechoslovakia hasn't existed for a while.
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Hazo posted:This baffles me since this is a classic right-wing kneejerk opinion, yet the shooter himself was yet another typical right-wing, anti-government, pro-GOP, gun nut terrorist. I don't know if they haven't processed this yet or they're just ignoring it or what but it's confounding. He was No True right-wing, anti-government, pro-GOP, gun nut
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MrUnderbridge posted:B-Rock the Islamic Shock Hussein in the Membrane Osama You forgot 'Superallah'
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So I just saw this on BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29424250 Have any American media organizations covered this, or at least drawn comparisms to Tebow and the like?
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Popular Thug Drink posted:He's not crazy, he just gives no fucks and is willing to be a useful idiot in the culture wars. I guess maybe narcissism, in that you're so willing to sell out to become notorious and a pseudoceleb that you garner universal hatred. It also helps that he never faces consequences for anything. He got away with wiretapping a Senator's office.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Yeah sure, when it comes to double standards regarding Christians and Muslims in America the problem is that Muslims aren't put upon enough, and their tiny sliver of the American population has pernicious belief systems that are SO MUCH SCARIER than the rest of America that it needs to be addressed asap. Sounds legit. To be fair, he talks about Islam in a global context, not just Muslims in America. Not going to defend his arguments beyond that, but you're presenting a false premise.
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Crowsbeak posted:Why is it just him and Hannity that make me want to punch someone?  
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Hazo posted:For some reason I'd never heard it until now and yeah it's a pretty obvious hateful transphobic slur, hence my surprise at hearing Rush say it. He usually tends to veil his racism and bigotry in more dogwhistle terms. Currently the front page of Imgur is dominated by people being outraged that some tumblrites are outraged at this guy's shirt, and delivering Sick Burns (TM) and pledging to buy versions of that shirt just to piss off 'Feminists'. The MRA movement is a loving cancer.
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Does anyone remember how loving mad people got when Daniel Craig was announced to play Bond? "Bond doesn't have blonde hair and blue eyes!!!"
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FuzzySkinner posted:"Chris is an American Hero, Period. He shot unarmed civilians from the top of the Superdome during Hurricane Katrina FIGHTING FOR OUR FREEDOMS!" He didn't actually do that - he just lied about it because he thought it would make him look good. Chris Kyle was a literal psychopath.
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quote:Our outfits are not morally neutral things. They are worn either for good reasons or for bad ones. And I say that fully knowing that some women wear underwear as pants not in a deliberate effort to attract male attention, but just out of laziness, in spite of the attention they may attract. This would still be filed in the “bad reason” folder. It may require effort to dress with class and dignity, but the fact that it’s such a bummer to put on real clothing before we leave the house doesn’t relieve us of the obligation. It never stops being amusing seeing just how supportive people like Matt Walsh would be of Sharia Law so long as the wording was changed to be less foreign.
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icantfindaname posted:It just struck me it's very similar to fascist iconography. I would put money on there being some extremist right group out there using a very similar symbol Italian Fascists stole a hell of a lot of iconography from Rome, so I'm certain there is.
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Badera posted:So this happened today and is apparently already national news. Thanks, home. 
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FuzzySkinner posted:What I don't get is why those on the right are so offended/looking for affirmation from "The Oscars"? They would have crowed that even pussy liberal Hollywood bowed to the will of the people to respect and honour such a courageous soldier. But we all know Hannity et al wanted American Sniper not to win because they prefer their faux outrage.
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Flaggy posted:This can't be real. Of course it's real. Is it really surprising a guy like Crowder is trying the Ann Coulter method of being as gruesomely offensive as possible in order to get some sort of notoriety?
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Gropiemon posted:This post made me laugh because shbjob was the only person to use an awkward slur. To be fair, we all know you don't have to say a slur if you dogwhistle around it enough.
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Business Gorillas posted:I think he's mid-late 60's and he's still a gigantic dude. There's a really good documentary of him on Netflix if you wanna burn a hour and a half. It's crazy just how huge even the 'small' pro wrestlers are. I saw Chris Jericho last year at an airport and the guy was massive, both height and muscle-wise, way more than you'd guess from seeing him on TV.
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Axetrain posted:From pages ago but Megyn Kelly is an atrocious piece of poo poo. People think because she's a pretty white women that maybe she's not so terrible but she's just as bad shitheads like BillO. It's not because she's a pretty white woman, it's because when it comes to politicial issues that personally affect her (i.e. women's rights) she breaks ranks and calls out misogynists on Fox. It's just that outside of her pet issue, she's still a conservative fuckwad.
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big mean giraffe posted:Can't wait to see how Fox blames liberals for this. "Nobody will be as offended about a boy being abused by a woman as they are by girls being abused by men. So much for feminism and gender equality!"
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Obdicut posted:Oh I get it, the bro-choice guy is supposed to be a careless dude who pressures women into having an abortion? I read it as "Men aren't allowed to say anything about abortion unless they say what their partner wants them to say. This is a bad thing"
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Klaus88 posted:
Of course she doesn't. She's a professional troll.
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Takoluka posted:Wasn't the party system significantly different during that time period? For the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments, replace Republican with Liberal, and Democrat with Conservative. For Obamacare, replace Republican with Conservative, Democrat with Liberal.
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Doesn't Brad Pitt do that as well? It's awesome for him, too.
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PhazonLink posted:I really hope the Chinese invent cold fusion soon because the US really needs another That's the PAAAAAAIIIIIN!!! you pleb.
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William Bear posted:Hannity today on his radio show was talking about how Iran wants to dominate the world through a Caliphate. From my study of Medieval Islamic History, I don't think Shi'ites are opposed to the idea of a Caliphate, per se; the initial split with Sunnis came over disagreements over the line of succession within the Caliphate, though it seems that it's generally been more common for Shia to use the term 'Imam' to denote the leader of a Caliphate-style society, focusing on the spiritual side of their leadership rather than the secular. Anyone more knowledgeable about that feel free to correct me!
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Mel Mudkiper posted:If a left winger insulted a right winger who was transsexual by using transphobic language you bet I would support the hell out of the right winger threatening him That still makes this a team argument; just that the team in your case is decided by gender rather than ideology, hth. You're still trying to justify unacceptable behaviour because the person conducting such behaviour was on your 'team'. You can condemn Shapiro as a hateful bigot while still saying Zoe escalating the situation to threats and aggressive physical contact was also wrong.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:And what team is that exactly? The LGBT (and allies) team. You can support LGBT causes (and denounce bigots like Shapiro) without trying to justify someone crossing a line the way Zoe did.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I am not team LGBT. If we have to tediously reduce this to "teams" I am team "do not attack a minority group with their minority status" Thanks, Mr/Ms. Semantics. You can support not attacking minority groups with their minority status (and denounce bigots like Shapiro) without trying to justify someone crossing a line the way Zoe did. Mel Mudkiper posted:I think one of the problems is that I do not see this as just this moment. This is not a response to this guy saying this thing, this is a response to the constant experience transsexual people face ever day of their lives. They are under assault by this kind of dehumanization almost constantly, and to expect them to suck it up as "just words" is ridiculous. If you go onto a debate show, you expect a certain level of basic human respect and if you are being dehumanized by some rear end in a top hat it seems perfectly understandable to me to one time just up and completely lose your temper. I don't blame her for losing her temper, but at the same time I'm not going to defend her actions, because the manner in which she expressed her frustration is not acceptable in society. Yes, she should not be punished heavily, but you don't excuse people breaking the law because they were provoked.
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Goatman Sacks posted:So, a guy stole a bunch of flags probably planted by a white supremacist organization on graves of folks who died as traitors to preserve slavery... and we're acting like this is a bad thing? lol liberals... It's not okay to commit crimes against people just because you disagree with their political opinions. Goons failing basic human decency itt
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Who are the people being hurt by this You're mistaking (or wilfully misinterpreting) my opposition to desecrating graves as some sympathy for confederates. I don't care about the flag; I do care about a movement I support adopting the same tone of dehumanization towards its opponents as its opponents already have. Goatman Sacks posted:Reactionaries aren't human. Case in point.
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