- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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the barkley 2 hd remake will probably come out before barkley 2
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Apr 24, 2024 00:42
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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Its out guys restart Steam
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Aug 12, 2015 06:08
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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NINJA Throwing gun's: it's just bullets and you throw them
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Sep 25, 2015 19:02
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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Can't wait to be playing this game on Wednesday (8 years from now).
It's releasing 2023 A.D. (after dunk [2041]) which is 2049 years from now
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Nov 9, 2015 17:57
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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The shooting minigame looks cool but when are gonna see footage of that classic barkley turn based combat
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Dec 1, 2015 21:09
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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As Miyamoto himself said: A rushed game is bad forever, but a delayed Barkley 2 will also be bad forever
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Jan 8, 2016 00:55
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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throw all the tog boys in jail until the game's done
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Aug 29, 2016 18:37
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- Mar 21, 2009
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The Magical Realms of Tír na nÓg: Escape from Necron 7 – Revenge of Cuchulainn: The Official Game of the Movie – Chapter 2 of the Hoopz Barkley SaGa: Enter The Gungeon
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Sep 1, 2016 15:22
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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Ahhh, the joystick-button controller (or Joy-Cons as I call them), the ultimate medium of interaction
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Oct 22, 2016 06:17
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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True COD-CoverUser
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Jan 24, 2017 03:49
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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when does the VR experience launch?
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Apr 27, 2017 03:53
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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Is it true that the English version does not get the Hoopz Barkley swimsuit outfit because the "developers" didn't think that Americans could handle it?
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Jun 5, 2017 20:46
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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i would never give money to kickstarters too dumb to not take the money and run.. a true paradox
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Aug 24, 2017 00:45
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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A rushed game is bad forever, the Greatest Game Of All Time will never be released
- Ancient Japanese Prophecy
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Sep 8, 2017 13:58
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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Yeah but they had to take it down, kickstarter only money could only afford to license the credits music for three days and they were unwilling to sacrifice their artistic vision
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Jan 18, 2018 04:12
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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It's out, restart Steam
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Jul 30, 2018 20:09
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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more like Tall Tales of Game's haha
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Jul 31, 2018 14:49
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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Gungeon Very Good Now
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Jul 31, 2018 18:11
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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if that's true then who have I been preordering $3000 body pillows from
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Oct 15, 2018 23:16
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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it's 100% impossible that both
A. The ships that cost hundreds to thousands of dollars are remotely worth the money
B. The game isn't a complete grindfest unbalanced disaster
can simultaneously be true; the game is a scam
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Oct 17, 2018 02:15
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- Fellatio del Toro
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The Promise Has Been Made
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Oct 25, 2018 13:09
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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If the game is not released by 5:00 PM EST tonight I will be triggering RAPID RESPONSE protests nationwide
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Nov 9, 2018 17:19
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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Asking ToG to release the game now is asking them to break The Promise
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Dec 14, 2018 19:11
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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they just announced the release date, 1/31/2019 exclusively on the wii shopping channel
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Jan 26, 2019 19:56
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- Fellatio del Toro
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Not even a commercial, SpongeBob started playing during the halftime show and was immediately destroyed by a Chaos Dunk
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Feb 4, 2019 21:49
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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Kickstarter for the TRUE spiritual successor to Barkley 1 made by the original creator
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Feb 8, 2019 17:34
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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i still beleive
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Jun 2, 2019 16:41
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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okay
Let’s start with the overall Combat, because it’s a good example of how development on the game went.
I joined in 2013 just after the KS to work on combat and core engine stuff. The game was effectively divided into two parts, Quest and Combat. There was rarely more than one person working actively on combat. Praise to my lucky stars that I was not involved in the quest side of the game, looking in from the outside it looked like a loving nightmare - near the end of 2017 the massive first area with interconnecting, multiple-path, time-based quests had been reworked from the ground up at least once and, if I recall correctly, it was still not done. To be honest though, the first area seemed to be very good, and when it was demoed at conventions it was well received. So overall B2 had a high quality for the pieces that did finally click into the puzzle.
The pitch for combat was: Hardcore RPG with guns. Basically Nuclear Throne with some heavy RPG elements and gun fusion. There was ideas for enemies hiding behind cover, flanking, being vulnerable from behind. There was already a bare-bones prototype there when I joined. My first step was to make combat feel more 'solid', with better movement, collisions, AI, and just overall a better feel. In hindsight this was a big mistake and it was my mistake completely, we should have just ran with bare bones combat and got combat done. If I had taken that path, combat would today have been simpler, closer to completion, and perhaps even more fun.
Far down the line we wanted to create a mountain area. To deal with height differences as you scale the cold, windswept mountain sides of Necron 7, I added a map height system so tile maps and characters had different elevation. Then because we later worked more on the starting area which was the Sewers, we started implementing the height maps in... the... Sewers... first. It took a huge amount of time and didn’t really add anything to the game. So that was a big waste of time on my end and was just yet another thing that slowed everyone down.
Everyone had different ideas of what combat should be. There was a healthy struggle between making it more fast-paced and action-oriented versus slower and focusing on the RPG bits. However there was a worrying trend starting where we looked less at what the game was actually playing like and more at what was written down in design docs or what the initial ideas from project start was. After two years, combat was still not fun but the push was towards implementing the original designs. The belief was that when everything was implemented according to design it would all come together. Another more direct way to put it is that feedback on design issues and legit serious problems was usually ignored. Eventually after a long time this started to loosen up a bit, but too little too late. Which brings us to the two main points of why combat was boring garbage.
One. Design wise, everything was always massively complicated. Suggesting we keep things simple was ignored, because No that's not the game we want to make. It was sometimes impossible to discuss effort vs value. That's a big part of why gun's fusion took years to get done and working right. That's why the game had at one point eight damage types and a complex elemental resistance system that never really worked well in practice meaning mostly you just considered normal damage and ignored the rest, or at least I found myself doing that when playtesting. Some systems were made way too complicated for any player to ever understand because That's The Joke. Pushing to make the game simpler was really hard, but sometimes the penny dropped, and luckily we avoided some excessive poo poo.
For example, one legit funny joke was your Party. You only ever played as Hoopz, but on your equipment menu there were four party members. You could always see them in your menu but never in game. As I recall it, at the literal final second of the game the other 3 party members would appear out of Hoopz like in a Final Fantasy game and say "Wow, we did it!" "Hell yeah!". Kind of funny actually, but, it’s just one small joke. It would make sense, then, from a return on investment standpoint, to not actually implement your party as characters with actual stats and equipment that actually level up alongside you, available with actual status menus. But B2 ideas sometimes made very little sense. There was a serious idea that these characters should do all that so you could see them progressing as if they were with you. Explaining the effort needed to make this particular dream come true was met with That's The Joke. Thankfully this feature was cut before any serious time was spent on it. Not all similar features were cut.
But, in my humble opinion, and everything from here on is completely my personal opinion only, but which Laz also mentioned, there was a much more serious issue with gameplay.
Two. Let’s compare DOOM and Dark Souls. Doom is a fast paced game with guns. You are fast, and have long range guns. Therefore enemies are also fast, some have rapid long range attacks, and they come in huge numbers. Altogether you get a fast run-n-gun FPS. In Dark Souls, you are slow and have basically only melee attacks, and can’t move while attacking. Therefore, enemies are slow, telegraph their attacks, have mostly melee attacks, and come in very few numbers at a time. Altogether you get a slow, methodical action RPG. Both these games are awesome because everything fits together.
Now as a thought experiment, what if you put the player Character from DOOM, in Dark Souls? Well, you would have Barkley 2. Because the combat pitch for Barkley 2 is a Hardcore RPG with guns, the very fixed idea was that enemies should be slow and tactical. At the same time it’s a run-n-gun action game. So, Diablo with guns. In theory, this is actually a very cool idea! But in practice, you’re five times faster than enemies, deal a poo poo ton of damage, and combat is just a joke unless you intentionally let enemies gang up on you. There is no reason to bother learning about the hardcore RPG side of things if the only difference is does slow-rear end mole get whacked in 3 or 5 bullets. Every tool in your toolbox that could make encounter interesting, like locked doors to create arenas, or just spawning in enemies to surround you, were a no-go because that’s classic game cliches that we don’t want to do. Okay. I pitched for and tried out faster enemies, but they were not liked, and also the game was unbalanced and buggy because it’s never really been properly played. The response was to again make all enemies slower across the board. No amount of bringing up how this is not actually fun to play could change management’s direction on combat or even have an open honest discussion about it.
Many did all they could to spice it up. Different people gave different takes on enemies. Frankie did a huge heroic effort to make guns unique and interesting. But in the end you can't fix whats broken by piling more garbage on top.
In an attempt to make the game challenging, then, you have limited bullets and when I left in 2017 there was still no way to refill bullets without returning to the save point. So the challenge was resource management. Since there was no way we could ever add weak melee attacks you could use if you run out of bullets because This Is A Game About Guns, meaning if you run out you’re actually out of ways to attacks, it made balancing the game really, really awkward. Loads and loads of time was spent on gun’s balancing to make this work. I don’t know how it turned out because of the above issue with not being able to actually play the game for real. Zaubers (magic) would help with this issue, but those are another story and are actually what I was working on and halfway through when I left.
All in all combat was, like many things in B2, wild grand ideas that were very hit and miss in practice.
loving these save point quotes for barkley 3
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- Fellatio del Toro
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leak the source cowards
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Jun 3, 2019 17:31
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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open source it
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Jun 3, 2019 21:37
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- Fellatio del Toro
- Mar 21, 2009
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no it said 200k actively played
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Jun 4, 2019 01:37
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its still coming out
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Jun 5, 2019 01:00
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the promise has been made
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Dec 15, 2019 02:29
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I Still Believe
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Apr 9, 2020 04:07
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The Promise Has Been Made
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yeah the promise has been made
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Jun 16, 2015 04:40
dear god please dont let me die of covid with only 2 years left til The Magical Realm of Tir na Nog - Escape From Necron 7: Revenge of Cuchulainn - The Official Game of the Movie: Chapter 2 of the Hoopz Barkley SaGa 