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Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Giacchino's music sounds like the kind of thing you get for a Star Wars fanfilm. Little of its own identity but distinct enough to avoid a lawsuit. So I actually find much of his rogue one soundtrack pretty lame. The hero theme for the movie is so bad it actively ruins the star destroyer ramming scene because it is just so out of place.

The best non-Williams Star Wars composer is Mark Griskey, hands down. His music hits a lot of the subtler stuff that Williams can do rather than aping his bombastic themes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcxMiGjA1u0

This music is written entirely for a single, incredibly minor character in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGI8mWG9VCk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjngOprs6As

They still nail the atmosphere of Star Wars while also having a muted, uneasy feel to them that matches the game's tone perfectly.

Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Aug 31, 2019

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Cross-Section
Mar 18, 2009

Arcsquad12 posted:

Giacchino's music sounds like the kind of thing you get for a Star Wars fanfilm. Little of its own identity but distinct enough to avoid a lawsuit. So I actually find much of his rogue one soundtrack pretty lame. The hero theme for the movie is so bad it actively ruins the star destroyer ramming scene because it is just so out of place.

The Hope theme is fine when it's presented in an understated form (Jyn's speech to the Rebel council, for example) but when it kicks into overdrive it gives me heavy Starcrash vibes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGjGx-BUrx4&t=41s

quote:

The best non-Williams Star Wars composer is Mark Griskey, hands down. His music hits a lot of the subtler stuff that Williams can do rather than aping his bombastic themes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcxMiGjA1u0

This music is written entirely for a single, incredibly minor character in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGI8mWG9VCk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjngOprs6As

They still nail the atmosphere of Star Wars while also having a muted, uneasy feel to them that matches the game's tone perfectly.

KotOR 2 also has the distinction of not being scored by an alleged rapist!

Admiral Snackbar
Mar 13, 2006

OUR SNEEZE SHIELDS CANNOT REPEL A HUNGER OF THAT MAGNITUDE

Cross-Section posted:

Trinity and Beyond almost sounds more Holst-ian than Williams-esque, which, I guess, is appropriate enough.

I'm pretty sure Stromberg is a big Herrmann fan - I hear a lot of Mysterious Island in the Trinity and Beyond soundtrack.

Slaapaav
Mar 3, 2006

by Azathoth
i hated the score in there will be blood so much that i couldnt finish the movie. so loud and in your face and on top of everything else.

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

I love meself some plucked strings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0T3vJ7u-j4

But I like Jonny Greenwood to begin with, even when he’s just being very Radiohead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMgJW8pxPwQ

Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Sep 6, 2019

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

It's a licensed song, but it's instrumental so I think you won't mind. Featured in Ad Astra.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIwwjy4slI8
It's a shame they don't use the second half of the song. I think it would be perfect for the third act.

The last time I was caught that off-guard at the use of a song I know was Equals in 2015.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fy4YPd7viU
This plays during a love/sex scene. That sounds really weird out of context, but it makes perfect sense in the movie, which features classical compositions as diegetic music. So there is a contrast between the harmony of their working environment and the dissonance of their private life.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours

Slaapaav posted:

i hated the score in there will be blood so much that i couldnt finish the movie. so loud and in your face and on top of everything else.

Used to feel like this but it grew on me.

Jenny Agutter
Mar 18, 2009

Just got out of Monos and gotta say Mica Levi is absolutely the best working film composer

AFewBricksShy
Jun 19, 2003

of a full load.



I am digging the poo poo out of the Watchmen score.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQBmALfSFEU

I don't really want to spend $75 on it, but I probably will.

AFewBricksShy
Jun 19, 2003

of a full load.



Sorry for the double post, but the first album is streaming on Spotify. It's pretty loving great if you like their previous scores.

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

It's pretty great yeah. Really seems like Atticus Ross keeps Reznor in check from his NiN tendencies of starting a track off solid and then ruining it by devolving it into cacophonous noise.

Unrelated but why is Elliot Goldenthal not more appreciated? He made the best Alien score after all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQrcwBJU6f0

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Elliot Goldenthal also made the best 300 music that Tyler Bates used as temp tracks and then released as his own plagiarized score.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
The Lighthouse soundtrack is one of the most intense and off kilter I’ve heard in a long while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7opqWLgMCE

Cross-Section
Mar 18, 2009

Like, drat, Ludwig Göransson's Mandalorian score really loving slaps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXp4GnC1Z3Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Q0jx0Jk8Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBvQ75bwn28

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

Holy poo poo HE did the score? That makes sense why it rules.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
it only took them forty years to make an honest to goodness space western

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?


:agreed: Really sets the mood of the show perfectly.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.
Oh I don't actually like it very much. Huh. I should give it another chance, maybe I was tainted by not enjoying the actual show a whole lot (it's not bad tho)

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I got some Temple of Doom vibes from the main titles for The Mandalorian. The trumpet section is a meaner variation of Parade of the Slave Children.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

Usually Hollywood composing avoids big melodies so the music doesn't distract from the visuals. But the style here is really heavy on the melodies, typically something you hear more with wind ensembles/symphonic bands. As a former band member... extremely into this poo poo.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



College Slice
Listened to that Mandalorian main theme a couple of times on repeat and it's giving me some really wonderful old school 80s TV action adventure vibes, like The A-Team.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzkOHxuWGv4
I hope göransson keeps this up because it is such a nice change of pace from John Williams imitators.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Vegetable posted:

Usually Hollywood composing avoids big melodies so the music doesn't distract from the visuals. But the style here is really heavy on the melodies, typically something you hear more with wind ensembles/symphonic bands. As a former band member... extremely into this poo poo.

Doing the nice Morricone-era callbacks but extremely his own thing also.

Cross-Section
Mar 18, 2009

About 50 minutes of the TROS score is out via the Disney FYC site

Not the entire thing mind, (no main title or credits, which is usual for the FYC score) but what is there is so, so good.

edit: looks like it was taken down, but I'm already seeing tracks going up on Youtube and elsewhere

Cross-Section fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Dec 11, 2019

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Cross-Section posted:

About 50 minutes of the TROS score is out via the Disney FYC site

Not the entire thing mind, (no main title or credits, which is usual for the FYC score) but what is there is so, so good.

I was going to wait to watch it first... but gently caress it. I can’t wait.

Julius CSAR
Oct 3, 2007

by sebmojo
This is a favorite of mine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jynq4lEwbew

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQBodvlbSI0

This will probably get taken down soon, but John Williams seems to be pulling out all the stops for his last hurrah. Certainly better than his Last Jedi score, which I feel is probably his weakest Star Wars music due to it mostly being variations on existing themes.

Cross-Section
Mar 18, 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cz7dSYNhxE

The way Kylo's theme pops up here had me actually doing a double-take.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004

Arcsquad12 posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQBodvlbSI0

This will probably get taken down soon, but John Williams seems to be pulling out all the stops for his last hurrah. Certainly better than his Last Jedi score, which I feel is probably his weakest Star Wars music due to it mostly being variations on existing themes.

Having listened to this a few times, I think it's pretty much hands down the worst of the Star Wars scores. Copied from the spoiler thread:

quote:

This is easily the worst Star Wars score and I'm including Solo and Rogue One in this assessment.

I re-listened to Phantom Menace (which is a really, really excellent score and possibly top 3 in the series) and then Revenge (as a more fitting comparison) to compare, and the big issue is that this one has nothing really new at all for themes. I mean, it has two new themes/motifs, but they don't seem to peak anywhere or do anything interesting and sound like lesser versions of stuff from his scores from, like, Minority Report. So then, everything else are just motifs peaking in and out of Mickey Mousing.

However, the difference is that stuff from the OT was MOSTLY only hinted to in the PT scores outside of the standby Force theme or done in really interesting/good ways (Anakin's theme segueing into the Empire theme, the celebration theme at the end of Phantom being a happy version of the Emperor's theme), with the scores mostly weighing on the new motifs or actual pointed scoring. In the ST, only Rei's theme really stands out (and ends up being overused in this), Kylo/First Order's was always somewhat weak, and the Resistance theme, while okay, is barely used at all, with the rest of the thematic work being just straight up OT stuff...again. And with that, even Solo did a better job of recycling OT stuff AND Han's theme is better used.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
The Mandalorian score has continued to be stellar at least.

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

I didn't think it was to remarkable or memorable. It's serviceable but they lean on the main theme way too much for my taste.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Darko posted:

I re-listened to Phantom Menace (which is a really, really excellent score and possibly top 3 in the series) and then Revenge (as a more fitting comparison) to compare, and the big issue is that this one has nothing really new at all for themes. I mean, it has two new themes/motifs, but they don't seem to peak anywhere or do anything interesting and sound like lesser versions of stuff from his scores from, like, Minority Report. So then, everything else are just motifs peaking in and out of Mickey Mousing.

However, the difference is that stuff from the OT was MOSTLY only hinted to in the PT scores outside of the standby Force theme or done in really interesting/good ways (Anakin's theme segueing into the Empire theme, the celebration theme at the end of Phantom being a happy version of the Emperor's theme), with the scores mostly weighing on the new motifs or actual pointed scoring. In the ST, only Rei's theme really stands out (and ends up being overused in this), Kylo/First Order's was always somewhat weak, and the Resistance theme, while okay, is barely used at all, with the rest of the thematic work being just straight up OT stuff...again. And with that, even Solo did a better job of recycling OT stuff AND Han's theme is better used.

This is how I felt about The Last Jedi's score. Having watched Rise of Skywalker, I feel the same way, but I also noticed some really weird music choices that were lifted straight from the Prequels and sounded really out of place. When Zori and Poe are chatting on the rooftop it's playing the music from Attack of the Clones where Cliegg tells Anakin about the Sand People attack on their farmstead. That's a really subtle piece of music but it's also one of the best tracks from Episode 2 so it sounds weird being played out of context.

Force Awakens still has an excellent soundtrack but honestly it feels like Williams was tapped out so he just started playing his classics and edited them to fit the timecodes.

Still better than Rogue One's first draft soundtrack that sounds like something out of a fanfilm. Somebody hire Mark Griskey and get him to make more Star Wars music. The guy gets the subtle parts of Williams's scores and doesn't go overboard on the bombast.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

https://mobile.twitter.com/consequence/status/1209506029802795008


quote:

As is the case with all of his film scores, Reznor worked on Bird Box with fellow NIN member Atticus Ross. However, he felt others involved in the project were simply not up to the task. “When we got immersed in it, it felt like some people were phoning it in,” Reznor commented.

“And you’re stuck with a film editor who had real bad taste. That’s kind of our barricade to getting stuff in the film.”“And the final icing on the poo poo cake was we were on tour when they mixed it. And they mixed the music so low, you couldn’t hear it anyway. So it was like, that was a … [Laughs] That was a loving waste of time. Then we thought, no one’s going to see this loving movie. And, of course, it’s the hugest movie ever in Netflix.”

Chaotic Flame
Jun 1, 2009

So...


So, I've recently fallen down a Max Richter hole and discovered this song from Hostiles and this song from Ad Astra and love them. I probably don't have the technical chops to explain what I love so much about these songs but it's essentially that the entire song swells while there's a consistent, sometimes repeating, chord progression underneath that kind of drives it all? Zimmer and his students do a similar thing (e.g., Time, Journey to the Line, Duck Shoot, His Majesty, etc.) but Max Richter is the only one that does it in this specific way as far as I've heard. Are there any other songs in his discography that have this same kind of structure? Or other composers that are doing similar things?

Chaotic Flame fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Jan 16, 2020

Robot Style
Jul 5, 2009

Chaotic Flame posted:

this song from Ad Astra and love them. I probably don't have the technical chops to explain what I love so much about these songs but it's essentially that the entire song swells while there's a consistent, sometimes repeating, chord progression underneath that kind of drives it all? Zimmer and his students do a similar thing
I worked on this movie and got to see an early cut with temp music a couple of years ago - I think a lot of it was from Interstellar, so the Zimmer connection might be intentional, or at least where the track started.

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

I only recently saw the director's cut of Donnie Darko and holy poo poo replacing the Echo and the Bunnymen song with the INXS song made the opening seem like a fan-made music video. It's dreadful. Other songs were moved around from one scene to another too and it's just.. weird.

Julius CSAR
Oct 3, 2007

by sebmojo
Michael Giacchino did good work for EA games really early in his career

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZHuUkrWPiI

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

Chaotic Flame posted:

So, I've recently fallen down a Max Richter hole and discovered this song from Hostiles and this song from Ad Astra and love them. I probably don't have the technical chops to explain what I love so much about these songs but it's essentially that the entire song swells while there's a consistent, sometimes repeating, chord progression underneath that kind of drives it all? Zimmer and his students do a similar thing (e.g., Time, Journey to the Line, Duck Shoot, His Majesty, etc.) but Max Richter is the only one that does it in this specific way as far as I've heard. Are there any other songs in his discography that have this same kind of structure? Or other composers that are doing similar things?

I've only now gotten around to listening to the Ad Astra score and what I've heard so far I really like. My main thought is basically how little I paid attention to the score while I watched the movie because on its own it's pretty drat good. I should point out, as more of a response to your post that Lorne Balfe worked on the Ad Astra score too and he's one of Zimmer's guys so what of that there is in Ad Astra could well come from him. And to answer your question I can't think of many other composers who utilize layering in a climactic piece in the same way Zimmer does, "Chevaliers De Sangreal" from The Da Vinci Code is one of the prime examples of that where he adds repeating layers to a steady "core" to work up to a climax.

E: I've had the score on loop for almost two days and when it's not weird, noisy and bombastic (not in a bad way), it's.. sad, like genuinely melancholy stuff. I need to watch the movie again.

Julius CSAR posted:

Michael Giacchino did good work for EA games really early in his career

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZHuUkrWPiI

I've posted this before but this is a pretty good example of Giacchino mimicking Williams' style which seemingly wound up being his only notable trait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4PM-4cRTx0

Stare-Out fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Mar 9, 2020

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XaBl9Wem1s

Going back and listening to more of The Mandalorian score and holy loving poo poo I forgot just how good the music in Chapter 4 is.

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Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

So I've never been much of a fan of Don Davis. You know, that guy who scored the Matrix movies and crucially wasn't John Williams for Jurassic Park 3? But then I watched this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhRjn_jpQxk

And it turns out Don Davis was basically playing fourth dimensional musical chess with the score to the first Matrix movie. I mean, holy poo poo.

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